I do not feel they should be voting at all. Bitcoin's integrity is the responsibility of the miners, not the users. The miners should not be influenced to the extent they were by the users nor the developers of any client, in my opinion.
What you speak of is not the Bitcoin I consented to use. K THX BYE
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Do you accept bitstamp coupons?
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The only answer I can envision for the >50% attack threat is a change in the proof of work concept where the most computational work alone is not enough to gain the ability to overpower the network and some other math based condition must be met that can be easily achieved the first time, is counterfeit proof and can't be easily reproduced while still following the rules. What that is I have no idea.
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...while finding Bitcoin faddish...
This video really pissed me off today. I started watching it when it turned up in my subscriptions because of the title and once I got like 3-4 min in and saw that they were talking about all kinds or random stuff except Bitcoin I started reading the descriptions and when I got to the above quoted part I just closed it in disgust. I really don't need another technophobic old fart telling me why he doesn't understand the digital world.
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I'ld really wish this guy would put his charts with ask in USDs too (# of BTCs * price/BTC) This doesn't make sense. On the ask side they are selling BTC, on the bid side they are selling USD. Its perfectly natural and intuitive to denominate the amount of BTC that are up for sale in BTC and the amount of USD that are up for sale in USD. Besides one could sell 1 BTC for 100.000.000 and completely invalidate the whole graph if it was USD on both sides.
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First of all, if you don't mine, but just install a client, does it take part in the confirmation as well, or it is just a dumb wallet, which gets the broadcasted new, ever increasing blockchain?
Just a dumb wallet. Incorrect. If you install the full node client called Bitcoin-Qt ( http://bitcoin.org/) it's not just a dumb wallet because it also checks that every block you receive and every transaction that block contains follow the agreed upon rules. If it they do not it does not matter if miners validated that block and those transactions, your client will ignore them and ensure it is following strictly the rules you agreed to by downloading it. It's a big reason why even though a minority of users "mine", Bitcoin is still completely decentralized and no one or no one group of people can force any changes (like some would like to) on everyone else. I disagree. "Confirmation" in our context is exactly as this - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Confirmation. And "dumb" means the client does nothing to confirm transactions. Bitcoin concept is quite sophisticated, we would better stick to "official" terminology without our supposition. A confirmation is irrelevant if a full client cannot validate a block or one of the transactions inside of it because such a confirmed block would simply get ignored. Your opinion is irrelevant if the facts don't support it. I only stated the facts.
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First of all, if you don't mine, but just install a client, does it take part in the confirmation as well, or it is just a dumb wallet, which gets the broadcasted new, ever increasing blockchain?
Just a dumb wallet. Incorrect. If you install the full node client called Bitcoin-Qt ( http://bitcoin.org/) it's not just a dumb wallet because it also checks that every block you receive and every transaction that block contains follow the agreed upon rules. If it they do not it does not matter if miners validated that block and those transactions, your client will ignore them and ensure it is following strictly the rules you agreed to by downloading it. It's a big reason why even though a minority of users "mine", Bitcoin is still completely decentralized and no one or no one group of people can force any changes (like some would like to) on everyone else.
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Since you are the moderator, can you move this thread to project development after it sits in this catagory for a while. I figured it was news worthy and deserved to sit in the main discussion for a few weeks.
Sure thing, and thank you for your reply.
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Could you give us a brief "How it works" description? What exactly it can do and how it does it?
You know, instead of just developing, try to sell it. And I'm also interested why you think you can't make a profit with an open source project, if you want ideas, contact me and maybe I can help you.
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The only reason to limit the block size is to subsidize non-Bitcoin currencies or to insulate existing miners from future competition.
Precisely! Any why exactly would we want unconstrained competition between miners? Don't you understand that while yes the fees would always be above their marginal costs only those with the lowest costs would survive driving the costs lower and lower and also driving the fees ever lower? Do you really want to have a handful of big miners have control over the entire mining collecting almost no fees?? Do you really want them to spam the blockchain beyond what a regular users can afford to run a full node on and lose all full nodes and with them the decentralized nature of Bitcoin?? Do you not understand how a limitd block size protects the security of the network from the tragedy of the commons once the subsidy runs out? The answer is not and never will be unlimited size of blocks. The answer will be a compromise in the form of a small raise or an automatically adjusting algorithm but only if we also get a light client that can still validate the rules needing only a pruned blockchain. Just so you know: Lifting the limit entirely and bloating the blockchain past what my 1TB disk can handle for the next 5 years will definitely cause me to lose all faith in Bitcoin and simply move on. And I assure you I'm not the only one.
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Side-note: hearing a lot about that new hampshire (was it) libertopia or freedom fest meeting. The host made it sound like it was infested with bitcoiners. Shit like this makes me re-consider my stance towards the USA. A year ago I would've said: I'll never go there again in my life. Now it looks like there's so many open- and free-minded people "over there" that it looks like the people could beat their gone-berserk gov't (by ignoring it mostly). We need more of this stuff in Europe.
Yeah New Hampshire is awesome and I too am strongly considering eventually moving there. The only big reasons I can think off why I wouldn't is 1) the cold because I hate it wit ha passion 2) their federal government and the IRS down right scare me 3) I think the cost of living there is pretty high
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Man you can just see how Jeffrey is really excited about Bitcoin and where it could bring us which I can understand since I share the same excitement ever since I found out about it!
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but what if he's right
That would only be possible if we had no facts to support our theories, we do however have plenty of facts. He is dead wrong I'm afraid. Dead wrong.
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No need to bash it using FUD and lies, though.
And that really is the only part of their rejection that really bothers me.
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Personally I don't care about Luke as far as his beliefs go. As long as people check his work, and I have no doubt all dev's work is checked not just Luke's, I don't mind what he wants if he leaves me alone.
Maybe all the developers should operate under a pseudonym and submit things from behind TOR, so that they're all treated equally? This is why I don't like Libertarianism -- the lack of rules/etiquette/laws (depending on scale) creates a tendency towards name-calling/lynch-mobbing/civil war (depending on scale). If "freedom of opinion" is only permitted to the extent that the crowd (or the most pissed off crowd-pleaser) will allow, then f*k that. Gimme some laws that protect my unpopular Queer/Asian/Polyamorist/Neo-Feudal/whatever beliefs from the tyranny of the majority. I actually think this could be beneficial since I imagine it would bring about more wariness and scrutiny which I think is exactly what we want with new code.
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Personally I don't care about Luke as far as his beliefs go. As long as people check his work, and I have no doubt all dev's work is checked not just Luke's, I don't mind what he wants if he leaves me alone.
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this thread is ridiculous. op should admit that other poeple having other viewpoint are not always enemys. This make me think that op must have some troubles to figure out the diference between a democracy and a battlefield...
Democracy is a battlefield. It's the majority oppressing me, robbing me and ultimately threatening to kill me if I don't do what they say. Just because I constantly tactically retreat does not mean I'm not in a fight.
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hint: people who have other opinions than you are not automatic your enemy.
this They are if their different opinion is that they should beat you and even kill you whenever you refuse to do something they say.
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