There is no debate because one side doesn't have a leg to stand on. That was my point. There is nothing to understand here except that one side sees the reality for what it is and acts accordingly and the other side doesn't and instead clings on to some sort of a fantasy and acts irrationally and I call that the most stupid thing one can possibly do.

I never said the pro gun side on the other hand isn't stupid. No the vast majority of them are stupid too because they let themselves being goaded into arguing with irrational people instead of just standing their ground and may the irrational do whatever.

Eventually that is what it will come down to. Either the pro gun stand their ground and defend their position even if it means by any means necessary or the irrational side will win and force the pro gun side to give up their weapons. There's no other way to resolve a dispute with irrational people, cause they're irrational. You defend yourself against them or they win.

I find it amusing how everyone ignored my post.

You don't want to make me think you're threatening the safety of my well-being or the well-being of my family with your actions cause things would get pretty ugly if you did and didn't stop upon my warning, no matter how you did it.

Also you assume the road would have no owners and therefor no one making rules and enforcing those rules which I never conceded making your OP a fallacy of begging the question.

You got to love the stupidity of the position that some words on a piece of paper will stop evil people from getting the tools they want to do evil shit with. Not to mention they need a whole other group of thugs armed precisely with the tools they want to get rid of to enforce those words.

It doesn't get more stupid than that. 

Wow that's really neat! And it allows me to execute the console commands which is something I really needed 2 days ago while trying to retrieve a single private key.


BTW this reminds me. I abandoned Electrum for my cold storage option. I don't know if you're familiar but I had an USB stick with ubuntu on it and two user accounts, one admin that was never connected with an offline wallet and another regular user that was online with a seedless wallet. But I was using electrum 1.0 which stopped working and when I updated to 1.57 it would give me some sort of error.

Anyway my point is that Electrum is a great client, but all of you who are developing it lack skills for selling it effectively. You can make it, no doubt, but your websites, documentation, ect is seriously lacking.  One virtually needs to be on your level of expertise to be able to troubleshoot any sort of an issue. For example I couldn't find a changelog for various versions, I couldn't figure out which version I must install on my ubuntu stick (linux or ubuntu/debian nightly) or how to update my version and there was some other stuff that I can't remember right now but was making me go mental over when I was trying to get it to work.

Anyway, that's ok, you don't need to know how to sell it effectively, any great business always distributed the making, selling and keeping the finances in order between different experts and all I'm trying to say here is that when you all get a chance please hire someone that will help you out and create user guides, FAQs and user friendly documentation so regular users like myself can easily learn how to use it (like this run while holding shift trick..).

Just a suggestion.

This doesn't work for me under win7 64bit. The process runs, takes up about 3mb of memory and nothing happens. The first time I ran it it hung at the unpacking stage.

EDIT: nvm, got it to work, I had to manually find and delete all files and folders associated with electrum and I think the problem was I already had appdata\local\electrum\ with a wallet and blockchain headers from slushe's build..

Yes and both are pursuing a less than optimal strategy hence why I'm neither and own both PMs and bitcoins. So I fail to see the relevancy of your post as a reply to my OP.

Some suggestions:

In the Send Money menu, any field where an amount of bitcoins can be entered, please make these fields bigger so we can see at least 13 digits. Right now it's really annoying how I can only see around 3 or 4 while my amount is typically accurate down to a satoshi which means at least 9 digits..

Also when sending anonymous please give us the option to specify from which addresses we want to send the coins like we can under "Custom", and change it in both places to give us an option to select which address to spend from first if the amount is less than what the multiple selected addresses contain. (oh and show a tip that one can select more addresses by holding down ctrl)

One more is for Import/export, where you can click paper wallet and it displays the paper wallet for all your addresses and their private keys.. a warning would be nice that it's about to do that.

And one final suggestion: for entering the second password when it opens up the keyboard, wouldn't it make sense to disable the ability to just type the password and also always display the keys at random so a mouse or keyboard tracking malware can't get the password?

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Man it sure seems we're just on the cusp of new and bigger avalanche of users that are about to (re)discover and finally adopt Bitcoin!

Let's not keep this quite either. Donate some if you can to show our support (I made a small contribution myself) and comment here if you can: http://www.dailypaul.com/267728/check-out-lewrocwellcom-donate and even send contact@mises.org a mail!

If you ask me, it's time. We can now start asking them "So.. what are you waiting for?"

I think this shouldn't be lost so I set it as sticky.

Don't respond by giving him your clicks! Personally I refuse to read that article or any other article written by anyone about anything that I know in advance is crap.

Yeah I changed my mind cause I didn't want to reveal my tx history which you could see by reconstructing the wallet.. so I retrieved the private key myself. Sorry!

Is anyone interested in an address that contains 230 satoshis? It's in an electrum wallet I'm about to delete and can't be bothered to try and salvage them without paying a fee, so if anyone wants them, they can have the wallet and get them!

Ah, I see. Ty for the explanation

  please explain!

I just bought some more in the past 3 days at the avg. price of $13.05 at bitstamp so I couldn't agree more. Time for it to spike higher again! 

Freedom is the capacity to act without restraint or limitation.

I think ripple best compares to the SWIFT system except there's no central control.

Jon, I don't think a market equilibrium can ever be reached, instead what I think actually happens is the market continuously readjusting to what in any moment is perceived to be an equilibrium meaning it can never be reached instead there is a gap which can be wider or narrower which depends on how wide the gap is between the perceived equilibrium and what the actual equilibrium in a specific moment would be.

So when you say "Ultimately, the market will reach an equilibrium between investment and savings" what you really mean is that ultimately the gap between the perceived equilibrium and what actual equilibrium in any moment would be will shrink and become a lot narrower compared to how out of whack because of all the central planing manipulation it is right now.