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Thank you people for Further Feedback.
Keep it flowing its valued.
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Your correct need to move on.
Thanks guys for your valued feedback.
Good Luck with Nautilus.
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That';s great, but where does it say BK is paying anything? Its talking about the STability fund. Drachmae:
As it states on the Nautiluscoin website: NAUTILUSCOIN IS THE DIGITAL CURRENCY DESIGNED WITH THE PROFESSIONAL INVESTOR IN MIND. Pretty much the majority of us bought the coin with this in mind. We are speculating on the future price of the coin. So like other investments, I don't see that we owe anything to Nautiluscoin, as we are speculative investors. I can't picture Bill Gates or Steve Jobs asking share owners to help the company.
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Actually its not something his looking at, at all.
This is something the community needs to look at.The reason I ask is very simple. If average Greek person downloads the wallet they will not know This thread BCT exists and yet alone what is a NODE?  ?? this is basically what I am trying to get across to the community and if its PC based what if they dont have a PC but have a smartphone etc Hopefully now the bell rings and people understand what I am getting at here. I have more than enough faith that BK will get an issue like this sorted before launch. I feel like you are grabbing at straws..
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Skype: le-grande1 Mobile Greece: +306987917654 Mobile UK & Watsapp: +44 (0) 7913345961 Mobile Ukraine: +38 0938671229 USA TEL: (+1) 703 291 8076 Email: lee@coinstructors.com |
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We are looking for a Gambling platform or Casino if there is anybody that can assist please PM me
Thank you
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Something that would be greatly appreciated and would help a lot is Gambling as about 5.5 million Greeks apparently Gamble dont know how True but I see the betting office constantly full they seem to like Keno a lot.
I had spoken months ago by some random chance who was building a casino for Paycoin but I cant find his details.
It would be fantastic if you guys could scout around looking for such a platform as this could be something highly viable for Greek adoption.
please let me know if you can come across a platform provider.
Thanks
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The reason I ask is very simple. If average Greek person downloads the wallet they will not know This thread BCT exists and yet alone what is a NODE? ?? this is basically what I am trying to get across to the community and if its PC based what if they dont have a PC but have a smartphone etc Hopefully now the bell rings and people understand what I am getting at here. birdcat90 asked if anyone has any new nodes. This implies that s/he has the technical knowledge to know that these are required, and how to add them. If you are trying to make a wider point, that being "how would a non-technical person know what to do in this situation, and don't you think that sometimes the technical nature of getting a basic wallet working is still prohibitive to a certain section of society adopting it willingly" then this point applies to most of crypto in its current state. And yes, this is something that needs to be addressed if any resource of this type is going to be picked up and used by a small Greek island. Germsite Can you explain that to somebody who is none technical and does not know crypto??? just download the wallet,,
But the wallet isnt syncing with the network ? it says no block source available ? anyone has new nodes??
thanks
There were a few listed several pages back. Mine connects without issue. Are you using the v2 client ? Try 146.0.32.101 54.187.96.217 108.61.10.90 52.0.108.136 106.187.93.107 63.247.147.166 124.150.42.36 These are all listed in the 'Peers' tab of of my debug window |
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Germsite Can you explain that to somebody who is none technical and does not know crypto??? just download the wallet,,
But the wallet isnt syncing with the network ? it says no block source available ? anyone has new nodes??
thanks
There were a few listed several pages back. Mine connects without issue. Are you using the v2 client ? Try 146.0.32.101 54.187.96.217 108.61.10.90 52.0.108.136 106.187.93.107 63.247.147.166 124.150.42.36 These are all listed in the 'Peers' tab of of my debug window |
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Well if there is no nodes how can anybody use it? This is exactly the point I have been saying and asking how will greeks or business use it??? Is it a Android or Apple wallet? what type of wallet is it?? just download the wallet,,
But the wallet isnt syncing with the network ? it says no block source available ? anyone has new nodes??
thanks
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How about they accept Euro or BTC and no need to offer discounts The already have a discount program built into Drachmae so which is a loyalty token so why would they offer more discount for Nautilus coin? Discounts do not solve liquidity problems, Secondly the pricing of the island Is already rock bottom so it does not pay for business to offer discounts to subsidies Naut Negative issues. Nautilus has to offer benefits to user and merchants to use it (Sorry to say its not the other way around) You can pay in bitcoin for a hotel on the island via Expedia and Destinia. So what benefit does Nautilus offer them to accept it? ? What incentive is there to offer a business to accept and use Nautilus? I am asking this question from the point of view from what the local people on the Island ask me. Saying decentralized makes no difference to them as they want to know how and where they can spend it, if they cant spend it they want to change it it into Euros. |
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Currently Nautilus is not Backed by gold. So we need to look at the current status as there is no deadline to if and when the Gold may come into play it could be 1 to 12 months. and even then it wont be backed by gold fully as it could well be done by transaction value so no transactions = no gold reserve also, by backin up NAUT with gold, there is only a limited fluctuation, since at a certain point it becomes profitable to buy cheap NAUT on the exchanges and exchange it for gold. So the value can only drop to a particular threshold.  Implement my two suggestions and NAUT will become a huge success.  |
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Delong: 1. You still haven't explained why any of us in the community should listen to you, what your role is with NAUT, etc. Any talk about integration into Drachmae, voting for NXT integration, etc. doesn't really mean anything coming from "some dude on BCT" unless BK himself clarifies your role in NAUT... Sorry. 1st of all and most of all I am not apart of the Naut community and we do not hold any of Nautilus coin.
2nd Drachmae is a Coinstructors project and seeing as I am one of the Founders of Coinstructors, Yes it does have a lot of to do with us and me about integration into Drachmae
3rd Most of all I am fishing for information from you guys to see where your looking to go and how, alongside this where you see yourselves in decision making etc as this is decentralized and not centralized world (If you have Naut then you have the right for input and suggestions about Naut)2. Until I hear something substantive to the contrary, I'm only awaiting further updates from Brian Kelly to learn about future plans for NAUT. If those future plans are concrete and laid out openly to a point at which I feel like contributing, then I will contribute. If, as Germsite writes above, communication continues to be sketchy, no one is quite sure what "the plan" is, and things are going on quietly behind the scenes that we aren't made aware of, then I likely won't contribute (until that changes for the better). Again BK does not answer for or on Behalf of the Drachmae project, He can answer to Nautilus and what his vision is for Nautilus.
Therefore if you are interested in actually understanding what the Drachmae project is you would need to contact the people behind it. www.coinstructors.com and ww.44phones.com
Currently the only plan is to add Nautilus to the Drachmae Banking platform and Airdropped to local residents but that may well be a long way off as there is lots of legal aspects to be covered and Development to service those people and the business on the Island.
What BK wants to achieve and to be successful entails of even the Naut holders playing a part in it so it would be most viable for you to find a way to interact with BK which can be very easily achieved if done correctly, he will respond to valid inquiries, but I doubt he will respond to insults and threats.
The only contribution that Naut holders can actually offer is spread the word and bring new people into Nautilus and market it, Thats about the only things you could possibly do right now.3. It seems that English is not your first language, which is fine, of course... But it looks really bad when you act like you are the new voice of NAUT and every post you make is littered with grammatical errors. English is my 1st language but I am working from a Mobile Phone as I was in a Bad accident a month ago so I find it easier to work with the mobile but proves to be challenging. I do find Insults and threats also just as bad as grammatical mistakes 4. Please learn how to quote things within BCT, otherwise you are posting walls of text that just look a mess. I fully Agreed with you it also helps to provide valid feedback that can be relevantly used as well opposed to utter presuming and speculation and making ones own views of something up without understanding it, Hence why I am here in the thread trying to see what can be achieved or not achieved, From the perspective of the project you should organise yourselves to have 3 people to interact and provide feedback to what there is of a so called community (might be viable for naut holders to start thinking about creating a community to interact with organisation or business that could be interested in working with nautilus). |
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Example of the issue that needs to looked at and resolved.
If you have 750.24 Euros in transaction for businesses accepting payments for goods and services then the market liquidity needs to be looked at if viable.
Hotel A accepts 750.24 Euro = 18,225 Nautilus @ 0.041165
Lets say on the exchange the spread is as follows:
47 @ 0.041165 = 1.93 Euro
385 @ 0.041130 = 15.83 Euro
59 @ 0.041026 = 2.42 Euro
1368 @ 0.040034 = 54.76 Euro
4935 @ 0.037897 = 187.02 Euro
859 @ 0.037578 = 32.27 Euro
493 @ 0.037462 = 18.46 Euro
2995 @ 0.037201 = 111.41 Euro
195 @ 0.037147 = 7.24 Euro
193 @ 0.037103 = 7.16 Euro
76 @ 0.037056 = 2.81 Euro
736 @ 0.036973 = 27.21 Euro
47 @ 0.036748 = 1.72 Euro
2005 @ 0.036689 = 73.56 Euro
5639 @ 0.036610 = 206.44 Euro
Would cost the end user 20,032 Naut 1807 more than it should so an extra 74 euros to the end user 834 Euros
I am basing this on Euros in which there is no Nautilus Euro market
But if we look at it based on BTC it costs more to use Naut and drops the market cap just for a transaction of 750 euros.
Current market cap 219,082 Euros @ 0.041165 Euro
After convering the Transaction the market cap would be 194,842 Euros Market cap @ 0.036610
and todays trading volume is 484 Euros
Common logic if you have 7000 euros in transactions then where would the naut price be left 0.003661 Euros @ market cap of 19,484 Euros
Greeks will want Euros not BTC
So we need to have a reality check to the situation and what is on the Table for Nautilus alongside this BK wants to donate Nautilus to people on the ISland today they have 50 euros next minute 5 euros.
Why would a business want to accept Payment if they are going to lose value so fast??
Does anybody have a solution to the above example???
Currently there is next to none trading BTC/Naut and there is not in existence a Euro Market even.
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What happens with Nautilus you should listen to BK. But when it comes down to the Drachmae platform BK does not have control over it. (is that clear) What I am saying to you all is this and it's very simple. Put aside Drachmae Project and put aside BK. How and who is promoting Nautilus or Developing around it alongside marketing it?? Just because Nautilus is on the Drachmae platform it does not mean anything as there is also other currencies on the platform: USD Euro GBP BTC NXT So what is going to be the driving for people to use Nautilus opposed to one of the above? What benefits outside of the Drachmae platform does nautilus provide users ?? Hopefully this time somebody can actually understand the questions above. |
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Now that has to be the most compelling from you GetNauti So who is going to GetNauti? My point is that who takes you serious ? lol Lets forget about Drachmae, Coinstructors, BK, NAUT, me and everything. Lets getNAUTi instead.  Not being funny but Halinyo,
Like i said I do not take you serious and you can twist what you like.
You have played a good game and like you said and proved 2 days ago, is the fears of why people do not bite into Nautilus as somebody with 10% of the supply jumps the value to his own Gain
You do not offer anything constructive other than what does not appeal to you have mentioned to me along the lines of Threats ( OH I wonder why BK does not interact with people )
So please Keep your 480k Naut opinion to yourself.
THANK YOU
quote author=halinyo link=topic=591114.msg12264891#msg12264891 date=1440759331]
It is good to see Lee is stepping back and starting to make more constructive comments, after a bit of pressure on him.
You lost my trust right at the beginning when you started manipulating a few of us in the private chat. Records say it all.
From then on, I only talked to you when I have time to waste and have fun. That is all about.
Well there is always ways to go ahead with or without coinstructors/Lee. The remaining community can take the lead sending complaints directly to BK about what Lee was trying to do in the last couple of weeks and our thoughts on how he was trying to manipulate the current NAUT holders etc... There are many more to say... but lets keep it private for now...
Apart from than that, good to hear this from you Lee (not expected, but cool):
"This is the areas that are being discussed (Get it out your heads you can keep your Naut and nobody is trying to rob you)"
Cheers
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Germsite answers in boldOk, we're getting somewhere. I think that both parties ( NAUT holders, and those with access to planned developments ) are in a difficult position, and a certain level of mistrust between these parties has not helped with getting things started so far. Currently there is mainly legal aspects being covered around what can or could be done with Nautilus.
Let's say Drachmae does not exist and never existed (Let's look at this stand alone way forward for nautilus)
Trust is not lost but nothing in life works to plan specially in crypto currency I cannot comment on previous things with nautilus but I can comment from reading the thread from the start. Attacks on BK will only put him backwards and there is next to none actual support in assistance on pushing Naut forward sorry to say this but it's in black and white on this thread.
I am not defending anybody or passing the buck of the blame but its what it seems in the thread.
But I also can say from 1st hand experience from people talking to us about our project and how they deem it fit to talk as if we owe them something which also puts a big barrier between people also we did not appreciests with him.
Everything is based on legalities so every step BK does comes with attorneys behind ate to be practically dictated to that we should integrate Digitbyte etc.
Up until this point, BK has, for a variety of reasons, been unwilling / unable to share information, communicate with any community that still exists, and so those of us still following the project have simply assumed that all responsibility for new development rhim to check everything beforehand.
Secondly it's a fools game to think BK is going to do all development as it is based on developers seeing the value of developing products and services with Nautilus so it is a bit clear that people are not that fixed on Nautilus due to BK being there, so that therefore stands down to the community holding Naut to step up.
The main part of BK from what I can see is the Stability fund is what his focus is on and should be on only.
New partners coming the project ( Drachmae ), viewing the history of general antipathy generated as a consequence of zero communication, might well think that the community is not interested in contributing, and thus might well insist on the community stepping up before proceeding. Let's not speak of Drachmae like I said further up it does not exist and never existed.Each party is thus insisting on the other showing some cards before taking further steps, and a stalemate of sorts results. We need to look at this way: who is going to push naut forward and how to keep it going this is what from ourside is looking at as any efforts now will last 1 day or 7 days then what happens Naut drops dead.
Therefore Marketing and community needs to be in place to support what BK is trying to do otherwise all efforts are just a waste of time and effort, only good for Naut holders that are pumping and dumping but damaging to the projects future.Lee's points above help with getting some momentum going. But they also raise questions. There's too much this or that from what i have seen and experienced and that is the doom to anything if there is no sense of unity and people should look at this if there was no BK and how can they protect their value and increase it. My thoughts are that yes, bounties will most definately help to attract developers, especially given the shakey nature of the project's history to date.
Again this is why BK setup the Dev fund for donations as he does not have a large supply like people think he does it does not pay for BK to hold a large supply for the stability fund the only way it pays is if there is liquidity and trading in which there is near none of.
This is why the idea of bounties to encourage Developers to look at Nautilus. From 1st glance of Nautilus it is the most under developed currency in the market so this should of been something noticed by Naut Holders to group together themselves even if you speculate 10% of what you have it increase the value by 10 20 30 40 % or more. this is just an example.
This is why NXT works as a community and the large stakers always pitch in a bit to progress as they know it grows their value later on and this is what I have been saying for a while(it does not need to be financially supported, but can be supported in other ways also)Exchanges. I was under the impression that there will be only one exchange, the NXT platform, because of the very particular nature of how the project is being set up ( FIAT being used to purchase NAUT bonds, KYC requirements for this, gold purchases made with proceeds of transactions, etc ) There are many roads being explored:
1/ Moving naut to NXT
2/ Leaving naut where it is
3/ Current naut being backed by gold but how would it be done
4/ New naut being backed by gold by proof of transaction with gradual increments being purchased
5/ Or enabling naut holders to convert to gold in the same you can with bitcoin to gold
6/ many other ways all of which are legal headaches and take serious due diligenceIf this is not what is going to happen, and NAUT is to be traded as per other ALTS, then other exchanges will pick it up when sufficient volume arrives. This is items that need to be looked at and are currently being looked at but it always rolls around the holders and if there was a community etc that's something that needs to be taken into consideration (lets face facts anybody can create a clone and make a currency and that's what happens every day otherwise known as a shitcoin as there no community, no drive and no development) This is facts guys that need to be looked at not criticized when brought up.Merchants will use it if a concrete ecosystem is presented to them. Again, all of us here have been assuming that Agistri is planned as the use case model, which will serve to illustrate a working ecosystem that can be adopted by others. Like I said before forget Drachmae and the project, Nautilus has issues internally that need to be resolved before it can consider anything else.
Secondly there has been a lot of scam coverage around Nautilus and its even been in Greek media so its more important to clean up internally and get everyone on the same page opposed slander as all the media will do is read this thread and publish what they like.Lee, your comments above, as well as earlier ones, suggest that there are other avenues being explored, that NAUT being included in the Drachmae project isn't a done deal. Again forget drachmae (But just because Naut is on Drachmae what does that change it is simply a currency along side NXT and Bitcoin) and this is the point i am making is how do you attract people to use naut and not Bitcoin.And so, we arrive back at the point of confusion. Nothing is particularly clear. The reasons for not elaborating plans fully are understandable, but they do present the challenge of how to galvanise a community that is willing to help, but who, thus far, have been fed a lot of ifs buts and maybes. A community can only be built around some sort of common purpose, and at this point in time, no clear purpose is being made available. A community is built from the people involved in the community and want to take it on and stop looking at BK or passing the buck( what if he drops dead tomorrow what you going to do)The end result is that many people will simply think "ah well, they're hatching plans that can't be shared, something must be in the pipeline, I'll wait and see what is presented before putting my energy into it". The actual end result people are trying explore opportunities and put them in place but then it's coming with stiff resistance as there is no point exploring and saying about it as it gets manipulated just as fast opposed to people offering ideas and solutions forward as they also could be used.
So I have been asking for idea and views a long time but only get criticism so there no point wondering why people do not interact with the community me on the other hand I have an interest as Drachame is my project so I will protect it very much and if people do not like that then that is there problem as its not them who has the commitment with the Island.Chicken. Egg. As for the Gold backing there is something more than that being discussed but the legal implementations are what the issues are.
So the avenues and different roads are all being explored, but in the meantime building a community along with people coming into Nautilus is more of a priority along with encouraging developers to work on Nautilus and being self sustaining.
We aren't talking about donations or Drachmae all of that is off the table at this moment in time as there is more that needs to be available for anything to go forward and this is the 1st phase of what we are working with BK on.
So what we are looking for is suggestions:
Mobile wallet
getting into more exchanges
getting merchants
building marketing committee
Simply add some input areas you see and provide possible comments on how you see it happen etc.
Ok, we're getting somewhere. I think that both parties ( NAUT holders, and those with access to planned developments ) are in a difficult position, and a certain level of mistrust between these parties has not helped with getting things started so far. Up until this point, BK has, for a variety of reasons, been unwilling / unable to share information, communicate with any community that still exists, and so those of us still following the project have simply assumed that all responsibility for new development rests with him. New partners coming the project ( Drachmae ), viewing the history of general antipathy generated as a consequence of zero communication, might well think that the community is not interested in contributing, and thus might well insist on the community stepping up before proceeding. Each party is thus insisting on the other showing some cards before taking further steps, and a stalemate of sorts results. Lee's points above help with getting some momentum going. But they also raise questions. My thoughts are that yes, bounties will most definately help to attract developers, especially given the shakey nature of the project's history to date. Exchanges. I was under the impression that there will be only one exchange, the NXT platform, because of the very particular nature of how the project is being set up ( FIAT being used to purchase NAUT bonds, KYC requirements for this, gold purchases made with proceeds of transactions, etc ) If this is not what is going to happen, and NAUT is to be traded as per other ALTS, then other exchanges will pick it up when sufficient volume arrives. Merchants will use it if a concrete ecosystem is presented to them. Again, all of us here have been assuming that Agistri is planned as the use case model, which will serve to illustrate a working ecosystem that can be adopted by others. Lee, your comments above, as well as earlier ones, suggest that there are other avenues being explored, that NAUT being included in the Drachmae project isn't a done deal. And so, we arrive back at the point of confusion. Nothing is particularly clear. The reasons for not elaborating plans fully are understandable, but they do present the challenge of how to galvanise a community that is willing to help, but who, thus far, have been fed a lot of ifs buts and maybes. A community can only be built around some sort of common purpose, and at this point in time, no clear purpose is being made available. The end result is that many people will simply think "ah well, they're hatching plans that can't be shared, something must be in the pipeline, I'll wait and see what is presented before putting my energy into it". Chicken. Egg.
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Not being funny but Halinyo,
Like i said I do not take you serious and you can twist what you like.
You have played a good game and like you said and proved 2 days ago, is the fears of why people do not bite into Nautilus as somebody with 10% of the supply jumps the value to his own Gain
You do not offer anything constructive other than what does not appeal to you have mentioned to me along the lines of Threats ( OH I wonder why BK does not interact with people )
So please Keep your 480k Naut opinion to yourself.
THANK YOU
quote author=halinyo link=topic=591114.msg12264891#msg12264891 date=1440759331]
It is good to see Lee is stepping back and starting to make more constructive comments, after a bit of pressure on him.
You lost my trust right at the beginning when you started manipulating a few of us in the private chat. Records say it all.
From then on, I only talked to you when I have time to waste and have fun. That is all about.
Well there is always ways to go ahead with or without coinstructors/Lee. The remaining community can take the lead sending complaints directly to BK about what Lee was trying to do in the last couple of weeks and our thoughts on how he was trying to manipulate the current NAUT holders etc... There are many more to say... but lets keep it private for now...
Apart from than that, good to hear this from you Lee (not expected, but cool):
"This is the areas that are being discussed (Get it out your heads you can keep your Naut and nobody is trying to rob you)"
Cheers
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Halinyo, I do not take you serious as you started to speak to me as nice etc when discussing options you would pump and dump and you proved that 2 days ago. I actually do not value what you say in any shape or form, I am more interested in what other people think that are Naut holders or people that are looking to join Naut. Secondly if there was a new NAUT nobody ever said there would not be a swop that is just you making your seeds to other naut holders. If you did not realize Halinyo I stopped discussing anything of value with you a long time ago when I saw what was happening then you would come back and say it's not me its a group of Naut holder's. (as you came across as the head of the community and messenger which you are not you simply wanted to get inside information in which did not exist in the 1st place as everything is simply being explored at the moment) As for the Gold backing there is something more than that being discussed but the legal implementations are what the issues are. You can say what you like about Drachmae etc, but at the end of the day anything and everything takes time it can take 1 or 12 months to see the legalities to anything that BK is looking at. (Anything going forward needs to be put out there for people opinions and views) So the avenues and different roads are all being explored, but in the meantime building a community along with people coming into Nautilus is more of a priority along with encouraging developers to work on Nautilus and being self sustaining. We aren't talking about donations or Drachmae all of that is off the table at this moment in time as there is more that needs to be available for anything to go forward and this is the 1st phase of what we are working with BK on. The more trying to get feedback from Naut holders only gets left in one answer (BK, BK and BK) which actually is not the way forward only as its not just 1 person that makes the world spin. So what we are looking for is suggestions: Mobile wallet getting into more exchanges getting merchants building marketing committee This is the areas that are being discussed (Get it out your heads you can keep your Naut and nobody is trying to rob you) Simply add some input areas you see and provide possible comments on how you see it happen etc. Are there any developers looking to build products and services for Nautilus?
Would bounties help to encourage developers?
Come on Lee, dont behave like your coinstructors is the only one that does sort of stuff, software, solutions etc... There are plenty of them out there and there are plenty of developers, where they can take NAUT forward, only if BK wants.I think what has to happen is going to happen in the end. BK cannot take such risk, like discarding the current NAUT holders. There cannot be two NAUTs, remove this option from your head!! What has to happen is, the usual NAUT moves to NXT with 1:1 exchange and everyone moves there from the current block chain. So from here on, it can be backed by gold and we move forward as it is. I am not quite against the drop-off if that is done in small amounts for a certain deadline, that has to be publicly announced. 5.3 million of NAUT moves to NXT, 16.1-5.3=10.8 millions of NAUT can be dropped, lets say in the next (10.8*2=21.6) years, each of which 500k of drop-off. 500k of NAUT must be divided into days, so that comes to 1,370 NAUTs per day (btw, dropping a whole load is also scamming people) that can be created and sold in the exchanges, for stabilization, for creating development fund, for covering the development cost that already has been spent, like backed by gold, etc... Other than the above-statement is just scamming people and stealing their money, and does not make any sense. So start making sense Lee. Best, |
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So how do the Nautilus holders see the future of Nautilus:
What do you see as developments in the future?
How would you like to achieve this going forward?
Please do not answer BK (This is for the Naut holders to provide input)
Again I ask the below as nobody commented only side tracked the question:
Are there any developers looking to build products and services for Nautilus?
Would bounties help to encourage developers?
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