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521  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: UUID to identify chains (payment protocol and elsewhere) on: May 22, 2013, 05:10:36 PM
See the bitcoin-development list for discussion of this proposal.
522  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The True Explanation of Ripple for Bitcoiners on: May 21, 2013, 04:24:44 AM
Why is it that Blitz can act like a civil human, but smoothie and cypherdoc act like asshats? Is this what happens when teenagers take to the forums?

smoothie's 'ignore' button is colored for a reason.  Smiley

523  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ripple explained for Bitcoiners! on: May 21, 2013, 04:18:59 AM
Even though I already knew all this, I forwarded this to reddit because it seemed quite readable and accessible to others.

Standard disclaimer:  mention does not constitute endorsement.  Smiley  I just believe in widely sharing all knowledge.

 
524  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Mt. Gox Dwolla account frozen by DHS on: May 21, 2013, 03:45:31 AM
DHS are a bunch of fuckturd Nazis. Any idea how much they stole?

I'm going to say this in public for the simple reason that I'm kind of afraid to:

Yes.  Fuckturd Nazis.  I'm old enough to remember the Reagan years, and I've seen many random acts of fascism, but this is the only time I've ever been stone cold robbed by the federal government.  What does that mean?  I don't think we're marching toward total dictatorship any faster than we have been since the 18th century.  But I do think that this DHS thing is a really really bad idea.  Too much power.  Too vague a mandate.  It's very name sets of alarm bells, and it's actions set off more.   


Yeah, it was a random act of fascism.

Or not.  It's only been two years of pointing out that US bitcoin exchanges clearly fall within the bounds of the laws FinCEN is associated with.  The whole world knew dealing with US citizens required some sort of money transmitter licensing -- that was the entire point of the CoinLab/MtGox deal ("MtGox wants 100% out of US and Canada").

The USG is gonna regulate the USD, and it's within their rights to do so.

If you dislike this... don't use USD.  Smiley

525  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitmessage - P2P Messaging system based partially on Bitcoin on: May 21, 2013, 03:42:21 AM
Us Fedora/OpenSUSE users don't have a way to compile binaries for ourselves. It would be helpful if there were options for us.

What in the world does this mean?

526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 21, 2013, 03:41:04 AM
Thorough enjoyed meeting so many people at the conference!
527  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-18 ForeignPolicyJournal: Washington Signals Dollar Deep Concerns on: May 20, 2013, 09:38:27 PM
The Bitcoin threat was eliminated on May 17 when the Gestapo Department of Homeland Security seized Bitcoin’s abeeccounts. The excuse was that Bitcoin had failed to register in keeping with the US Treasury’s anti-money laundering requirements.

Yeah, it was a complete gestapo surprise.

Or not.  It's only been two years of pointing out that US bitcoin exchanges clearly fall within the bounds of FinCEN.

The USG is gonna regulate the USD, and it's within their rights to do so.

If you dislike this... don't use USD.  Smiley

528  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Mt. Gox Dwolla account frozen by DHS on: May 15, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
I guess the problem is their intermediary. MT Gox is a japanese company and operates in the US. It does not need to have any US licence whatsoever.

While technically true, ultimately, MtGox is trading USG-controlled USD.  USG is going to regulate USD gateways (and they are well within their rights to do so).  Anybody gatewaying USD will ultimately be bound by US laws.

529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Homeland Security might be the best thing to happen to Bitcoin on: May 15, 2013, 09:52:46 PM
There's an urban legend that one of the early miners (maybe Satoshi himself) bought a pizza for some crazy amount of BTC (1000?).  How's that for price theory?

Not urban legend, not Satoshi, and 10k not 1k: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History#2010

530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If the US gov wanted to stop funds going into gox... on: May 15, 2013, 05:40:05 AM
A government wishes to control its own government-issued currency.  This should not surprise anyone.
531  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A bit of criticism on how the bitcoin client does it on: May 14, 2013, 11:56:55 PM
You're just confused, sorry. You have to download all data in every block to run a full node. This is fundamental. You can't reduce bandwidth usage by downloading parts of each block from different peers. This might reduce the upload bandwidth on their side, but it doesn't reduce the download bandwidth on your side. If you're talking about hosting blocks on Cloudfare then you're talking about download bandwidth. So your proposed change wouldn't impact anything.
The above is just another example how Mike Hearn spreads misinformation about Bitcoin protocol.

For normal operation of the Bitcoin network the majority of the "block" has already been previously transferred as a separate "transactions".

This is true.  The current bitcoind client uses this knowledge in a signature cache, to avoid validating signatures twice (once upon TX reception, once upon block reception).

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The obvious optimization of the bandwidth usage is for the clients to inspect the Merkle tree and ask the peer only for the transactions that weren't previously broadcast.

This gives close to 50% bandwidth savings for free.

heh, nothing is free.  This proposal would add additional round-trips with associated latency, slowing block validation and block propagation.

As such, miners could lose their 25 BTC due to orphaning, if their block is slowed.

532  Bitcoin / Press / Re: NEW articles in Press Forum on: May 13, 2013, 08:54:17 PM
2013-05-13 Financial Times: Taxmen, police and spies look at bitcoin threat
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=204307.0
533  Bitcoin / Press / 2013-05-13 Financial Times: Taxmen, police and spies look at bitcoin threat on: May 13, 2013, 08:53:53 PM
Taxmen, police and spies look at bitcoin threat

URL: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/42ca6762-bbfc-11e2-82df-00144feab7de.html#axzz2T3OP4P3R

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Bitcoin has come onto the radar of the UK government, with officials gathering in London on Monday to discuss the security threats and tax concerns posed by the digital currency.

About 50 civil servants from HM Revenue and Customs, the Serious Organised Crime Agency, Home Office and GCHQ – the intelligence listening service – held a one-day conference which examined how bitcoin works and how criminals might seek to exploit the electronic cash system, which is currently unregulated by any financial authority.

The meeting, entitled The Future of Money, focused on the implications that widespread adoption of the currency might have. As bitcoin users are anonymous, authorities worry that it could be used for purposes such as money laundering, and that transactions between individuals fall outside boundaries of tax collection.

The Revenue said that its attendance at the conference had been to further its understanding of “current tax-related issues” and that it was monitoring the development of the bitcoin market. “The tax system already deals with transactions in currencies other than sterling,” the department said. “Any such transaction will be potentially taxable.”

Also under consideration was the idea of creating a regulated exchange, which would be the world’s first. Such an entity would go some way to addressing concerns about criminality by requiring users to provide proof of identity. An unregulated exchange was set up in London in 2011 but closed a year later after its bank account was shut down.
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534  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: 0.8.2rc1 ready for testing on: May 13, 2013, 08:07:16 PM
The "Pay transaction fee" dialog box defaults to a 0.00100000 fee if the up arrow is clicked. It still allows entering a 0.00000001 fee manually. This makes sense as the default policy can be overridden. However perhaps the dialog box should have information about the default fee and how fees are calculated? Or a pop-up to warn if the fee used is too low?

There is near-universal agreement that the fee system -- its calculation, presentation to users, and other details -- are in need of revision.  That is one of the goals of 0.9, hopefully.

535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING! Bitcoin will soon block small transaction outputs on: May 13, 2013, 01:57:15 AM
Or as I like to say:  all bitcoins come with strings attached.

That is, the ability to spend bitcoins is precisely and individually defined by the script language.

Each bitcoin transaction may have different rules for spending.

And 99.999% of the possibilities were years-ago classified by Satoshi as "non-standard", and not relayed or mined by default.  Only a few transaction types were whitelisted.

536  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin on Blueseed, the international waters startup ship on: May 13, 2013, 01:47:48 AM
My question centers more on expansion. Let's say I built a floating concrete-dome house and floated it up, would it be possible to moor it to the ship somehow, using the ship as a hub from which to expand from, in essence. We'd be renting your stable mooring in essence.

+1     That's the real way to build a community:  use the ship as a core unit that supplies power and Internet, around which a stable constellation forms.  The owners of the core dictate "building codes" by virtue of requiring certain seaworthiness and navigation aspects for any core connections.

537  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Initial replace-by-fee implementation is now available on testnet on: May 13, 2013, 12:13:56 AM
I'm in the middle about this.

One the one hand, I do understand the reason for a change like this.

On the other hand, it's not true that doing double-spending 0-conf transactions is trivial now.

So: I don't know. I like the idea of aligning miner's short-term self interest (even if they don't exploit that right now) with the policy implemented by the reference client. But perhaps not immediately...

+1

Ultimately the change is too aggressive and anti-social right now.  Absolutely the miners market may change and make double-spending trivial, but that does not seem to justify removing hope of using a feature that businesses do rely on in the field today.

The userbase uses them, for better or worse.


Gavin wants to go down the same stupid path that the phone systems did. It's understandable why, his salary is paid by the Bitcoin Foundation, which in turn is heavily funded by payment-using non-anonymous companies like bitcoinstore, bitinstant, zipbit, eCardOne, CoinLab etc. etc. Most of these companies are still startups that are burning capital fast, and they need Bitcoin payments to become big NOW NOW NOW. Anything that might delay that could easily put these companies out of business and make their investors lose a lot of money.
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Gavin's other big goal is to get the blocksize limit removed, which makes it impossible to mine on a small scale or anonymously,

This is full of hyperbole and exaggeration, much like the recent thread on dust.  However, it is fair to address the subject on a more reasoned level, because there is a valid point buried in there.

There is definitely a contingent of companies that seemingly want to change the blocksize limit immediately, from 1MB to infinity, to fix "this awful scaling problem" they see.  They want to sell the message that bitcoin can scale to Visa/MC levels tomorrow.  There should be absolutely no impediment to sending millions of transactions, for fractions of a penny apiece.

We absolutely do want to grow the network and encourage as many bitcoin users to use bitcoin as possible (well, I do at least, and I think Gavin does too)...  but one cannot ignore a key attribute conferring by a limit like the 1MB limit:  it encourages engineering efficiencies to be sought.  Programmers have an incentive to actively seek ways to reduce the number of transactions, or reduce transaction size, when faced with a limited resource.

Some business models simply don't care about that part of the equation.  It's not a conspiracy by Gavin and the Bitcoin Foundation funders, it is simply one facet of some bitcoin businesses.  They make money with increased transaction volume.  That's fine, but a key economic counter-point is that these businesses are not bearing the costs of the mining/blockchain impact of a million-TX-per-day policy.

Off-chain transactions should handle a resource limitation in a scalable fashion, but no one has good working prototypes.  Gavin has rightly pointed out, in Gavin/retep exchanges, that off-chain transactions remain a scalability solution in theory, while we know for certain that increasing the blocksize limit will enable increased transaction volume.

The danger in following that logic too far is that you de facto eliminate most incentives towards creating an off-chain transaction system/network and related businesses, or really as mentioned above, any need for transactional efficiency.  It also has impact on who is a bitcoin miner, selecting out anonymous miners as jdillon predicts.

I don't think anybody has The Answer right now, and my main preference is to avoid making decisions that dramatically and immediately change bitcoin's economics.  $Topic might do that, hurting payment companies for no good reason.  Removing the blocksize limit also injects chaos for unclear value.

Ultimately it is a complicated, zen balance of factors:  too-harsh limits, and you potentially choke off bitcoin utility just when it is being adopted, and eliminate some business models.  too-lax limits, and you choke off certain technologies, encourage spam, and eliminate some other business models.

My current personal preference for a blocksize limit solution is
Code:
     for each (144*365) blocks,
          limit += 1MB

As that's something that cannot be gamed by miners or payment companies.  But most payment companies do indeed react in horror at any impediment to "send as many transactions as possible."

Definitely in the middle here too.  Not as aggressive as Gavin or Mike Hearn, but not as conservative as "1MB forever" people either.  1MB was clearly a temporary solution.  (that does not imply simply removing it is without negative impact)

If the answer isn't clear, and the system isn't broken right now, err on the side of doing nothing.  The answer was clear, with the recent data spam / dust changes.  Not clear at all, with blocksize limits and the impact on fees thereof.

538  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: May 12, 2013, 02:55:19 AM
Nah, friedcat is having problems selling to the demand at 49.99 BTC each for the 10~ GH blades now.  Smiley No sense selling them lower for the decreased profit.

Yep.  Huge demand means a seller's market.  Heard similar comments during Avalon's batch #3 discussion, where the price was dramatically higher than previously batches -- it nonetheless sold out.

539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING! Bitcoin will soon block small transaction outputs on: May 11, 2013, 09:39:01 PM
We can't design the network assuming miners will mine at a loss.

No one has ever suggested doing so.  A situation that can be realistic one miner might not be realistic for another -- free market, free choice.



540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING! Bitcoin will soon block small transaction outputs on: May 11, 2013, 08:25:49 PM
One realistic scenario is that some players mine at a loss, simply because they find other value in mining -- keeping bitcoin decentralized, keeping bitcoin secure, processing non-standard transactions, etc.
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