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17001  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 09, 2017, 07:09:52 AM
They did not develop any lightning implementation,

??
rusty russell of blockstream employment
https://blockstream.com/team/rusty-russell/
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Rusty Russell
Infrastructure Tech Engineer
..After 14 years as a senior developer at IBM, he took a six-month sabbatical to work on cryptocurrencies. ..
while devoting most of his time to exploring the emerging frontier of Bitcoin development.

is not making lightning network software??

https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/graphs/contributors
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#1 rustyrussell 1,281 commits / 335,340 ++ / 71,321 --
17002  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How dose the User activated soft fork work? on: April 09, 2017, 07:02:32 AM
its where non mining, but proper full network validation nodes upgrade to really enforce proper consensus. but....
(here is the twist and betrayal)
while this opportunity should be used to have features properly implemented like dynamic block and 1merkle segwit(and other things)..
what is only being forced into the network is the soft 2merkle segwit changes and nothing else.

stupid thing is
if bip9 doesnt get the 95%

if UASF doesnt get the 80%

blockstream wont give up.
they will waste another year

http://www.uasf.co/
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Can BIP148 be cancelled?

Yes. In the event that the economic majority does not support BIP148, users should remove software that enforces BIP148. A flag day activation for SegWit would be the next logical steps and require coordination of the community, most likely towards the end of 2018.

purely to try getting segwit activated and nothing else.(facepalm)

17003  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 09, 2017, 06:37:55 AM
Greg Maxwell on the other hand stands to profit handsomely if Bitcoin becomes a settlement layer, regardless of the damage done to Bitcoin as a result of this.
Prove it.

to correct quickseller and to get around lauda's word twisting mantra:
Greg Maxwell on the other hand stands to clear the $70m+ VC DEBT easily if Bitcoin becomes a settlement layer, regardless of the damage done to Bitcoin as a result of this.

17004  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only answer against Miners Mafia is UASF on: April 09, 2017, 06:31:48 AM
However my daily uploads are limited to 2GB,
My upload speed is a little slow, typically 50Mb/sec,

However I pay though the teeth for it,

50mbit/sec= 6.25mbyte/s = 375mbyte/min = 2gb/6min

6 minutes of uploading a video or any content of any kind(thats2gb+) and your blocked the rest of the day??
time for you to change your ISP
17005  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: it is Core, not Bitman blocking segwit on: April 09, 2017, 06:07:36 AM

If you acknowledge that it was just a gentlemen’s agreement between individuals
(and not representatives of Core with decision authority, which is impossible and a
oxymoron in a voluntary open-source community), why are you arguing about it?

It seems to me that the miners were attempting to pull a fast one. They were trying
to get a handful of people to decide the future of the Bitcoin Network. During that
meeting, all invited parties told the miners they had no actual authority and the
miners got mad because they are ignorant as to how the Bitcoin development
community actually works. They thought they could dictate the future.

Blockstream has no authority over the Core development. Maxwell and other
employees of Blockstream are Core developers, but they are separate entities.
If you think Blockstream breached, sue them. If you think Maxwell, as an employee
of Blockstream was a bad boy, ask Back to fire him. Ultimately, it is worthless since
all parties who signed the “agreement” had no power nor authority to guarantee or
implement a 2MB hardfork. That is the community's decision. Not any of theres.

You might consider the reason why you think there is a “Blockstream Circus” is
because you don’t really understand the full development system. If you or the
miners would have had your way, Bitcoin would have a dictator or CEO, it seems.

I love Bitcoin and the liberty it grants, you only love to control and strangle it

agent...
by you pretending Gmax is not the chief tech officer (boss) of development
by you pretending luke does not moderate bips(along with gmax)
by you pretending they are as powerless as a highschool janitor..

is you failing to understand.
many many many people have had dynamic proposals rejected even at mailing list level(blockstream moderated)
and at bip level(blockstream moderated)
and then even when just grabbing core code and independently adding tweaks and asking the core devs to help out.
again blockstream devs REKT that too by saying "its not core, its an alt".

core are not independent. they are follow the leader of 10 paid devs and 100 unpaid interns staying loyal in hopes of getting a job with blockstream

the HK agreement was where people who CAN CODE and CAN direct their employees were invited to write code...
if the HK agreement thought open community effort was possible then .... oh wait, that was tried and REKT..
so the HK agreement wanted the guys that could code to get core to open its gates and do something to be on the same playing field as other diverse nodes.
but luke JR, etc just wanted to act like unskilled janitors/floor cleaners, just turning up for a free lunch before returning to mop and wax the floor, because gmax didnt want to go that route.

i find it funny that one day you praise blockstream devs as kings that own bitcoin and deserve control.
then the next day, pretend they are just floor sweeping janitors and there is no control.

so.

either
man up and be ok with diversity and decentralisation (true independence).
or
man up and admit your preference of core dominance and control in a centralised one codebase dependant group
17006  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: AsicBoost Probably the reason Segwit is being blocked. on: April 09, 2017, 05:21:05 AM
1. (to address posts above) 30% of pools abstaining is really due to being smart and knowing nodes DO matter so no point flagging for something that a node wont fully validate/handle even if node can 'hotpotato game' a stripped block
solution: finally do a proper node+pool consensus and need 1 merkle. and while at it, go dynamic. = community happy

2. asicboost is not a harm its an efficiency gain. like ATI's openCL was. and the resulting hash is not fake but a valid hash that works and checks out. (ATI did not attack bitcoin in the GPU mining era, for analogy comparison)

3. mining hardware and asicboost predates segwit.. meaning miners didnt create an attack, segwit 'going soft' 2merkle tricks just isnt compatible
(a yet to be active bitcoin code failing due to ATI opencL incompatibility wouldnt of been blamed as a ATI openCL attack, for analogy comparison)
solution: segwit finally do a proper node+pool consensus and need 1 merkle. and while at it, go dynamic. = community happy

4. again miners hardware software efficiency 2015. segwit anyonecanspend backdoor exploit AFTER that. segwit code release october 2016.  feb-march 2017 gmax finds a flaw in segwit and goes full wetard to blame miners(facepalm illogic).

today
rather than give in and do a better job with only 6 month old inactivated segwit software,
rather than give in and finally do a real full bitcoin network upgrade of 1merkle and keep all diverse nodes on level playingfield of a peer network
gmax wants to double down.
mandatory activation, remove pool efficiency but keep his 2 merkle TIER network control agenda

issue with gmax plan:
some outsider can start building a 600k blockheight chain privately using the asicboost. to get better chainwork.. then in a few years when bitcoin moves to a 1 merkle, they plop in their chain and take over, due to bitcoin being less efficient than the outsider during the 2merkle period.

solution. do a full proper node+pool consensus, go dynamic, keep the community happy and just let pools use the most efficient hashing methods ther are.

dont break the pools kneecaps just to force segwit tier network in.

P.S segwit using the anyonecanspend opcode backdoor exploit (AKA 'going soft') and suggesting that blockstream can add more backdoors (aka 'even easier to go soft') is allowing more risks of outsiders using those backdoors to slide in their own trojans undetectable to native nodes.
(if people take off their dev devotion hats, they will see it)
17007  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Inside-the-Dragons-Den-Bitcoin-Cores-Troll-Army on: April 09, 2017, 02:26:02 AM
There is no such thing as the "Blockstream trolling group", same is the case with "Cores Troll Army".

Lauda, CB, & BillyBobZorton definitely wear the Bitcoin Core Troll Army Uniforms.
Methinks you do Protest too much.  Cheesy


lauda wants to think he is not a troll but a
wizard
dragon
ninja

lol thats the point i was making when i said lauda only gets to hang around the water cooler rather then be invited to the secret clubs  (i was and still am giving subtle hints to see how deep he can dig his own hole)
17008  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BUcoiners are trolling you into buying alts on: April 08, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
There will be no hard fork because BUcoin has no real support from the community. Sooner or later Jihad Wu will retract and the current altcoin bubble will pop in your face and everyone not holding BTC will be left behind.

lol says the guy that said
Im profiting big time with litecoin, I got in after this dip and im already making great gains. Litecoin will go to 50 dollar, 100 dollars, even 300 dollars, because Litecoin doesnt have all the stupid drama and big whales from Bitcoin.
We will be rich thanks to Litecoin and segwit!!
17009  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Sending transactions only to SegWit miners on: April 08, 2017, 07:35:34 PM

Since segwit requires 95% signaling to activate, most or all miners will be segwit anyway.

If you're asking if today, would it be possible to send your transactions to a pool signaling segwit, the answer is no.  You don't have the power to do that.  
Whoever mines the block decides what transactions to include.


technically it can be done if you set your node to only connect to a pools IP adress of the ones you prefer
or you know the pools API to manually 'PushTX' the transaction to only the pools you prefer

why wouldnt the tx get relayed onward?

some pools dont relay unconfirms to other pools. especially high fee tx's so that if the pool misses that block they can still include the still unconfirmed tx in next block.

also the network game theory is that the normal non-mining fullnode relay should have got the tx's to all the pools so no need for the pools to retransmit unconfirms between each other, allowing the bandwidth between pools to be utilised better to broadcast to each other mainly solved blocks and not much else
17010  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Sending transactions only to SegWit miners on: April 08, 2017, 06:19:05 PM

Since segwit requires 95% signaling to activate, most or all miners will be segwit anyway.

If you're asking if today, would it be possible to send your transactions to a pool signaling segwit, the answer is no.  You don't have the power to do that.  
Whoever mines the block decides what transactions to include.


technically it can be done if you set your node to only connect to a pools IP adress of the ones you prefer
or you know the pools API to manually 'PushTX' the transaction to only the pools you prefer
17011  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ASICBOOST Aftermath: What Now Must Be Done? on: April 08, 2017, 05:39:33 PM
asics running for 2 years.
segwit not even running but only public release code for 6 months

gmaxwell only discovers a flaw in segwit last month.

and suddenly its asics fault??
good luck with that illogic

where was gmaxwells GPU nukes in 2011 proclaiming ATI was attacking bitcoin-qt due to openCL
17012  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Inside-the-Dragons-Den-Bitcoin-Cores-Troll-Army on: April 08, 2017, 05:36:27 PM
This is complete bullshit and an outright lie. I was in a private channel, definitely not in one where the likes of you are.

look at lauda thinking he has attained certain privileged boysclub status.
yep lauda i already called you out on your commit of only being literally a spell check and not a code fix. so dont play on that as your claim to fame either..
P.S c++ not java.. for fture reference when you finally want to contribute something

though you are part of the blockstream trolling group you only got to hang around the water cooler
17013  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Andreas Antonopoulos hard at work...? on: April 08, 2017, 05:23:25 PM

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By doing so it ?solves? many issues that Bitcoin has. These benefits are laid out here.
-Malleability Fixes
-Linear scaling of sighash operations
-Signing of input values
-Increased security for multisig via pay-to-script-hash (P2SH)
-Malleability Fixes:
after activation no immediate fix.
what actually happens is users have to move funds to segwit keypairs (voluntarily opt-in)
its not solving Malleability because Malleability scammers wont opt in.
segwit does not simply prevent malleability for the whole network. people will still malleate tx's
while only some users who were innocent of not performing this attack in the first place are the only ones disabled from performing it by opting in

-Linear scaling of sighash operations
after activation no immediate fix
what actually happens is users have to move funds to segwit keypairs (voluntarily opt-in)
its not solving quadratics because quadratics scammers wont opt in.
infact the new rule core implementation actually causes more quadratics issues
core v0.12 maxtxsigops=4000 (<10seconds validation)
core v0.14 maxtxsigops=16000 (<8 minutes validation)
segwit does not simply prevent quadratics for the whole network. people will still do quadratic spamming, but now even more maliciously
while only some users who were innocent of not performing this attack in the first place are the only ones disabled from performing it by opting in

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Signing of input values

When a hardware wallet signs a transaction, it can easily verify the total amount being spent, but can only safely determine the fee by having a full copy of all the input transactions being spent, and must hash each of those to ensure it is not being fed false data. Since individual transactions can be up to 1MB in size, this is not necessarily a cheap operation, even if the transaction being signed is itself quite small.

funny part is.. by changing to "signing of input values".. causes decreased security of multisig.
hint below

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Increased security for multisig via pay-to-script-hash (P2SH)

Multisig payments currently use P2SH which is secured by the 160-bit HASH160 algorithm (RIPEMD of SHA256). However, if one of the signers wishes to steal all the funds, they can find a collision between a valid address as part of a multisig script and a script that simply pays them all the funds with only 80-bits (280) worth of work, which is already within the realm of possibility for an extremely well-resourced attacker.

so segwit one feature causes the need of another feature.. and that has been over played and exaggerated as to suggest LN cannot function without segwit. when infact segwit breaks security in one part to then repair the security.. making them combined. no benefit at all.

afterall an LN is just a 2in 2out tx.. not a 1mb tx like the 'signing of input' feature suggests its meant to avoid.
LN doesnt care about the 'signing of input' feature. because LN tx's will never be 1mb.

oh.. and funny part. it also reveals.. core actually are allowing a single tx to be 1mb!!! seriously. that should have been nipped in the bud years ago

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Efficiency gains when not verifying signatures

Signatures for historical transactions may be less interesting than signatures for future transactions – for example, Bitcoin Core does not check signatures for transactions prior to the most recent checkpoint by default, and some SPV clients simply don’t check signatures themselves at all, trusting that has already been done by miners or other nodes. At present, however, signature data is an integral part of the transaction and must be present in order to calculate the transaction hash.

Segregating the signature data allows nodes that aren’t interested in signature data to prune it from the disk, or to avoid downloading it in the first place, saving resources.

this is the silliest one of all
if you dont want to be a validation node.. just dont run a full node.
lets node degrade the full node count by pretending a prunned node is a full node..
why even do such a thing of putting litenode features in a full node, other nodes can then no longer sync from it meaning it starts creating a cesspit of nodes that cant sync from each other

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Block capacity/size increase

Since old nodes will only download the witness-stripped block, they only enforce the 1 MB block size limit rule on that data. New nodes, which understand the full block with witness data, are therefore free to replace this limit with a new one, allowing for larger block sizes. Segregated witness therefore takes advantage of this opportunity to [useless] limit to nearly 4 MB, and adds a new cost limit to ensure blocks remain balanced in their resource use (this effectively results in an effective limit closer to 1.6 to 2 MB).

only if EVERY transaction inside the native 1mb block has opted in to segwit keypair funding, to then let their witness hang outside the native base block.. emphasis. only if everyone moves to use segwit keypairs
17014  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why not creating BTU as altcoin ? on: April 08, 2017, 04:24:33 PM
1. segwit is an alt because it begun as an alt hint: blockstream:elements:segwit network
2. segwit uses (core devs admitted) a anyonecanspend opcode exploit backdoor to slide in the altcoin and then attempt to get people to then move funds away from bitcoin native keys to segwit altcoin keypairs after activations, for only a hope of the half promises.
3. segwit is running inactively for just 6 months(no segwit blockstructure(2merkles) or segwit key function).
4. other implementations continue using native keypairs and have been running ACTIVELY on the network for years, (pre-empt rebuttle: much like when bitcoin nodes had the 1mb rule but pools were only making blocks below 500kb. did not mean the nodes were inactive, they were active..)

now thats clarified.
many implementations are running on bitcoins mainnet to keep it diverse and decentralised. each with their own proposals. but the only proposal with all the banning, blocking, bombing and splitting.. is blockstream(core). so maybe blockstream(core) show split off..

by this i mean BLOCKSTREAM...
and then the REAL independent core devs can concentrate on bitcoin away from blockstreams bait and switch of half gestures
17015  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Inside-the-Dragons-Den-Bitcoin-Cores-Troll-Army on: April 08, 2017, 03:39:14 PM
If you had millions worth of BTC you wouldn't be as dumb as supporting something that will crash the price.

if all you care about is the temporary price drama then thats your failing. yea maybe i have enough bitcoin to not care about such things because up or down daily drama dosnt change my life from champagne to vineger wine.

my life allows me to spend bitcoin so that i dont even look at the fiat price, fiat has become meaningless to me.
i would actually be happier if bitcoin was measured directly against the 'cost of living' index. EG 1btc=1000 loaves of bread.

i care about bitcoins decentralised diverse ethos, which if we all cared about it.. then that would secure real value. long term. and you too would care less about temporary price drama..
then maybe even you would stop checking the price hourly and panicking.

as for your comments about arly adopters supporting something that will crash.
here is a hint. many implementations have been around a couple years, just plodding along, no deadlines or threats.. any drama in the last 6 months is from the core camp pointing fingers.
there is your speculation

as for what they support. most of them dont care about core vs bu.
the real debate is bitcoin ethos vs blockstreams corp ethos

if you think that bitcoin is core and only core. you have stuck yourself in a small box. and its time you start looking outside of your box

The only whale doing that is Roger Ver and he obviously has incentives to do so.

again you only think that there are only 2 implementations.
All actual whales like Loaded and Mircea Popescu are anti BUcoin and want BTC to remain as it is or are pro segwit, but NEVER want to jeopardize his wealth by putting illiterate idiots in charge of the code.
again you only think that there are only 2 implementations.
and you think that bitcoin needs core in control.

the truth is no one should be in control no dev kings what soever

early adopters who actually understand bitcoin are not kissing gmaxwells ass and see segwit as just the half gesture it is. so what you call "remain as is" is actually running a node thats not segwit. but i do applaud your brush under the carpet attempt

p.s
if all your going to reply is "wall of text franky" then all it is doing is prove you do not have attention span to read paragraphs or actual details and blindly just read small scripts like those on reddit.
try hard to avoid reddit, avoid fox news and improve your life beyond racial stereotypes and "bomb them" propaganda
17016  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Inside-the-Dragons-Den-Bitcoin-Cores-Troll-Army on: April 08, 2017, 03:14:16 PM
You still don't understand HF implications. A rushed HF would break a huge part of the infrastructure.

learn consensus

you are soo deep down the reddit script rabbit hole that you can only think of 2 things
1. softs best case scenario..
2. hards worse case scenario.

you are now even in favour of letting core "break a huge part of the infrastructure" simply because you dont understand
just because they say its soft is meaningless

soft just means they used a backdoor exploit to bypass real consensus.
going soft does not mean its safer. just means that in theory they can bypass some of the communities right to vote.
that is all.

hard just means full community vote. without bypassing
going hard does not mean its riskier. just means that in theory it requires full consensus of the communities right to vote.
that is all.

no one (apart from core) has wanted intentional splits or controversial splits.
wake up to who is throwing the "break a huge part of the infrastructure" bombs.
17017  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Andreas Antonopoulos hard at work...? on: April 08, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
He is very passionate for bitcoin and has been working hard for years. Was good to see that he corrected his stance and now understands why block size increase before segwit is stupid. With his UASF support we will get segwit soon without approval of Jihad.

lol do you understand segwit.

go on tell me why segwit helps.
hint: in relation to native key users that have not 'opted in'
17018  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Andreas Antonopoulos hard at work...? on: April 08, 2017, 02:50:46 PM
i still have respect for andreas..
just at 75% respect level instead of 100%

as for others
in 2012 i had 50% respect for maxwell (50% positive for some coding and 50% minus for attitude)
but since 2013 that dropped to about 1% respect due to how much the $70m investment and corporation structuring changed his bitcoin motives.. and yes they have changed him.

those "trusting" gmaxwell 100% based on his coding skills of pre 2014, are putting their heads in the sand to his post 2013 change in stance
17019  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ASICBOOST Aftermath: What Now Must Be Done? on: April 08, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
Not this world.


If someone can cheat in the competition, that's not open or free competition.


And we're all here, really, because the information has got out that the central banks (and commodities markets) are basically a trick. That's called fascism, not capitalism.

We're a part of Bitcoin to free the world from the unfair competition, not because the competition is fair. Do keep up, amanda85

lol

so censoring anything non-core is fair?
thinking core (one of many implementations) should rule supreme is fair?
demanding people respect gmaxwell as king is fair?

letting blockstream use the anyonecanspend opcode backdoor exploit to get their elements:segwit altcoin slid into bitcoin without having node consensus veto is fair?

think about it.

oh and think about it with the diverse dcentralised bitcoin ethos hat on.. not the blockstreamist defender hat on
17020  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ASICBOOST Aftermath: What Now Must Be Done? on: April 08, 2017, 01:21:27 PM
If people are tired of China businesses having the majority of network hash.

you would be surprised that the whole "china own mining" reddit scripts has been exaggerated too.
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