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2081  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 04:18:19 PM
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Do me a favor & kindly ignore me.

Please stop posting on my thread. I am done arguing with you.

Can you please stop posting on my thread & probably ignore me from your list?

Why do you make threads when you are not able to handle other's opinions ?


2 of these comments were for you when I had already discussed a lot with you. Please check the replies I gave you before I wrote this to you.
3rd one is for mexxer-2 who already knows what I think about him.
2082  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 03:40:02 PM
So you basically think that he is newbie and he is unaware of how PayPal works?

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And lastly, you do know that 2 of the mentioned payment methods are highly reversible right? Don't fall for the "I'll send it as gift" scam.
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Is Skrill reversible? Even that is something I did not know.
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Is Skrill = PayPal?

This means he denied your suggestion of trading with trusted users of this forum who charge 10% when they buy BTC for PayPal instead of giving him 1:1 rate.
Your point ?
Anyway, just see how much of a troll you are.
What point do you want from me here? He denied your suggestion and that's it.

Summary: You do not listen to perfectly reasonable ideas. Anything expect your opinion is invalid even when suggested by many trusted members. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is told to: "Please stop posting on my thread". You're going off-topic on your own thread.
The only reason you're not on my ignore list is , I only add the politics board spammers there.
Do me a favor & kindly ignore me.
2083  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 03:33:43 PM
Better make a self-moderated one next time so that you can delete all the posts which prove you or your mentality wrong  Undecided such a child.
He probably would have, if he could, he mostly makes these crap threads in meta, in which if anyone gives any opinion other than his own, he's told to "Please stop posting on my thread". Meta threads can't be self-moderated, so thats a huge plus. And I see where he is getting all these dumb ideas of banning scammers from, a botting forum , plagued with ref spam and fake trust, called TheBotNet
I'm 90% sure this guy's just trolling, he offers no reasoning to back up his thoughts and sticks to discrediting everyone else's thoughts and suggestions with the following: 'you're stupid, you're spamming, you're wrong because I said so, I'm better than you, etc.'
I've had him ignored since seeing his response to my thoughts, no actual rebuttal, just 'you have a sig so you're wrong.'
Which question of your didn't I answer?
You want scammers to be not banned? How can I convince you that it's wrong?
2084  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 03:32:46 PM
I'm 90% sure this guy's just trolling, he offers no reasoning to back up his thoughts and sticks to discrediting everyone else's thoughts and suggestions with the following: 'you're stupid, you're spamming, you're wrong because I said so, I'm better than you, etc.'
I've had him ignored since seeing his response to my thoughts, no actual rebuttal, just 'you have a sig so you're wrong.'
That's actually highly likely these days as we've seen an increasing amount of trolls in this section.

I am not doing this. If you really think I am trolling then feel free to delete my post.
2085  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 03:31:04 PM
Well at least I am giving some ideas.
You guys do nothing just to oppose.

If you're so against the idea why would you ask a Newbie these questions when he wants to trade?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302214.msg13344578#msg13344578
and then suggest him to trade with someone else?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302214.msg13344860#msg13344860

You basically had no intention of trading with this guy but still you wanted to act as moral police and did some inquiry.
You did notice that I saved him from a potential scam from reversible method of payment right? And this?

So you basically think that he is newbie and he is unaware of how PayPal works?

The thing is, I require to charge 10%.
On other forums, such as HackForums for example, they pay 10~15% extra.
Going 1:1 or less is just a huge loss for me.

I need to charge 8~10%.

Cheers buddy, thank you very much for the assistance. I really do appreciate it.
This means he denied your suggestion of trading with trusted users of this forum who charge 10% when they buy BTC for PayPal instead of giving him 1:1 rate.
2086  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 03:22:14 PM
Better make a self-moderated one next time so that you can delete all the posts which prove you or your mentality wrong  Undecided such a child.
He probably would have, if he could, he mostly makes these crap threads in meta, in which if anyone gives any opinion other than his own, he's told to "Please stop posting on my thread". Meta threads can't be self-moderated, so thats a huge plus. And I see where he is getting all these dumb ideas of banning scammers from, a botting forum , plagued with ref spam and fake trust, called TheBotNet
Well at least I am giving some ideas.
You guys do nothing just to oppose.

If you're so against the idea why would you ask a Newbie these questions when he wants to trade?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302214.msg13344578#msg13344578
and then suggest him to trade with someone else?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302214.msg13344860#msg13344860

You basically had no intention of trading with this guy but still you wanted to act as moral police and did some inquiry.
2087  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Paying $0.1 via PayPal/PM/BTC for signing up & completing profile on BitGold on: December 24, 2015, 02:56:16 PM
may be if you pay more then more people will be intrested .
I am only getting 0.01 grams of Gold i.e. worth $0.3 & I am giving away $0.1 worth of BTC for this.
I won't be able to afford to pay more.
2088  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 12:14:05 PM
No I just showed you how waste is your thought process.
You are stating your opinions and i don't expect anything else from a judgmental guy who can do nothing other than labeling/abusing people.

You don't want scammers to be banned.
No, because ban is a complete different issue and they deserve it when they go against forum rules (not yours or mine)

You don't want any actions to be taken against them.
The actions against them are pretty solid and consensus already.I don't have a habit to force people to accept my brand of logic (particularly when it is full of bullshit)

You want people to get scammed by the same person again & again.
If they are lacking common sense and have no motivation towards their own safety then YES. Such people can only learn from punishments/scams/losses and not from advises,bans or anything else.

Please stop posting on my thread. I am done arguing with you.
Better make a self-moderated one next time so that you can delete all the posts which prove you or your mentality wrong  Undecided such a child.
Alright Sir!
You proved yourself to be a grown up adult & me to be child. I am fine with it.

Can you please stop posting on my thread & probably ignore me from your list?
2089  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 12:06:45 PM
No I just showed you how waste is your thought process.
You are stating your opinions and i don't expect anything else from a judgmental guy who can do nothing other than labeling/abusing people.

You don't want scammers to be banned.
No, because ban is a complete different issue and they deserve it when they go against forum rules (not yours or mine)

You don't want any actions to be taken against them.
The actions against them are pretty solid and consensus already.I don't have a habit to force people to accept my brand of logic (particularly when it is full of bullshit)

You want people to get scammed by the same person again & again.
If they are lacking common sense and have no motivation towards their own safety then YES. Such people can only learn from punishments/scams/losses and not from advises,bans or anything else.

Please stop posting on my thread. I am done arguing with you.
2090  Other / Meta / Re: Most annoying person on bitcointalk on: December 24, 2015, 12:02:44 PM
I would like to vote for Heutenamos too. More than annoying he seems to have some problems in thinking straight.
2091  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 11:32:53 AM
You were the one who brought this topic forward & mixed real life incidents with scams happening on this forum.
Get your concepts/thoughts clear 1st Sir, then comment!
I didn't compared it to real life ,i explained you how they are unstoppable. Though what was the question for ? You need legal lawsuit to identify alt's ?
No I just showed you how flawed is your thought process.
You don't want scammers to be banned. You don't want any actions to be taken against them. You want people to get scammed by the same person again & again.
2092  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 11:30:34 AM

You failed as you cant explain why it should be less likely for a Jr. to scam than it would be for a Newbie to scam. The ranks vary obviously. From what I see in the scam accusation thread, the largest chunks are newbies. When newbie are no longer allowed to post in the marketplace section it is my assumption that they would either result to PMs (you might want to restrict that as well?) or just wait until they are Jr. Again having waiting 30 days so not make anyone trustworthy.


Yes, why not? Instead of showing the Red warning just ban the feature of allowing Newbies to send PMs.
If they want to say something to someone, let it be in open. Anyways, they would not be allowed to trade so they won't be leaking out their payment processor information.

"Leaking out their payment processor information?" What does that mean?

It means they don't have to fear about someone trying to access their payment processor a/c as it would be in open on the forum. (Its advised not to give this information in open instead give in via PM)

I dont see how it will result in less scams. If anything it will result in no scams by newbies and more scams by Jr. members.

At least we'll make scammers work hard before they scam here by working on their account & posting something useful on some topics (if its not useful & is spam then its deleted by mod's anyways)

No, some to the largest scams have been pulled by established members. E.g. see tradefortress, the user once on default trust, now banned (not for the scam) and with the lowest possible trust score (-9999).

Read that wrong.

What makes you think that is true?
What makes you think that's wrong?

I see high ranked members getting scammed with the easiest schemes.

Did I say that implementing rules would stop scams?
Scams would continue to happen even after we implement these restrictions. No matter what you do scams would happen!
Least we can do is try to prevent them.

Implementing these measures does not means that anyone should trust anyone blindly. You still would have to use your head before dealing with anyone & you would still be dealing at your own risk on this forum.
It will just add one extra layer of security & there would less of exit scammers.
2093  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 11:19:49 AM
Yes but what if the guy himself scams after building all the reputation required to do one ?
what after making a scam accusation against him ? does it solves the issue ? No, the scam has already taken place and there is no fruit in banning the scammer/user except the useless satisfaction of the victim.

You added it later, that's why could not reply to it.
Lets say your family member is murdered brutally by someone. Now tell what would you do?
I cannot do anything unless i have some valid evidence bout it. Generally i contact the police and sort that out ,it's possible that the member was not  a good guy and his murder was a good thing ?

Now, do you think that the local forum scams can/should be compared to life and death situations or even to legal issues ? Get things right Kid.
You were the one who brought this topic forward & mixed real life incidents with scams happening on this forum.
Get your concepts/thoughts clear 1st Sir, then comment!


Most of the forum agrees to it because what you say is utter foolishness with no achievements by doing it.People should have the common sense to understand the consequences of their trade/deal whatever.

Now,if we put your question out of the forum then what are governments doing for the ton load of scams ,crimes increasing day by day ? It never ends and the best solution is that the people should take the required precautionary measures.
2094  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 10:59:19 AM

You failed as you cant explain why it should be less likely for a Jr. to scam than it would be for a Newbie to scam. The ranks vary obviously. From what I see in the scam accusation thread, the largest chunks are newbies. When newbie are no longer allowed to post in the marketplace section it is my assumption that they would either result to PMs (you might want to restrict that as well?) or just wait until they are Jr. Again having waiting 30 days so not make anyone trustworthy.


Yes, why not? Instead of showing the Red warning just ban the feature of allowing Newbies to send PMs.
If they want to say something to someone, let it be in open. Anyways, they would not be allowed to trade so they won't be leaking out their payment processor information.

No, some to the largest scams have been pulled by established members. E.g. see tradefortress, the user once on default trust, now banned (not for the scam) and with the lowest possible trust score (-9999).

Read that wrong.

What makes you think that is true?
What makes you think that's wrong?
2095  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 10:20:42 AM
If you go by my 1st logic: Selling accounts SHOULD NOT be permitted. If you sell your account even on other site then also you are held responsible for anything that happens with this account. Lets say if your account is hacked then forum admin can drop an e-mail to your registered e-mail id & inform you to login ASAP and see what's wrong with the account. Similarly if hacker did any scam using your a/c then you should repay for the losses.

So I get a mail, how does that hold me responsible for a scam with the account I just sold off-site?

You will have scam accusation thread against YOU. 
In any case, if you have sold the account then you won't care about what's happening with your account BUT if we had this POLICY that accounts can not be sold then YOU would have been held responsible for this & YOUR account should have been banned.

How? You just have my mail address.

If you'll have some self-respect then you would get guilty conscious.
In any case it'll prevent others from being scammed by adopting the same technique.

So your only actualy defense against scammer is the hopes that they will have a guily conscious? Im not convinced.

I have not studied law. So, can not think of better arguments to convince you.

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None of the admin/mod is supposed to spend 24 hours on this forum.
If you read my earlier replies, I am asking for rules/policies to be implemented by coding these features not manual intervention.
Once they're coded then its all automated, there is no moderation required.

Your only suggestion in that regard was to prevent newbies from using the marketplace section. You failed to establish how that would reduce the number of scams.

How did I fail? Can you tell me whats the account statuses of users involved in scams?
If you are on this forum for lets say 2-3 months then the likeliness/probability of this user being completely unaware of how scammers work reduces to some extent.
2096  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 10:13:35 AM
If you go by my 1st logic: Selling accounts SHOULD NOT be permitted. If you sell your account even on other site then also you are held responsible for anything that happens with this account. Lets say if your account is hacked then forum admin can drop an e-mail to your registered e-mail id & inform you to login ASAP and see what's wrong with the account. Similarly if hacker did any scam using your a/c then you should repay for the losses.

So I get a mail, how does that hold me responsible for a scam with the account I just sold off-site?

You will have scam accusation thread against YOU.  
In any case, if you have sold the account then you won't care about what's happening with your account BUT if we had this POLICY that accounts can not be sold then YOU would have been held responsible for this & YOUR account should have been banned.

How? You just have my mail address.

If you'll have some self-respect then you would get guilty conscious.
In any case it'll prevent others from being scammed by adopting the same technique.

EDIT: If you are so against my idea of banning account sales then tell me the benefits that you can get by selling it & not making it public?

2097  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 10:12:10 AM
Okay first off all,instead of criticizing whats been put up for the rest of us by the forum, tell me how much effort have you taken to control the spam? Why should you care right ? "You're not being paid to do so".Sames goes to admins/staffs, they do have a life outside this forum and they can't waste their 24 hours monitoring the scams around here and obviously they're "not paid" .Why don't you start paying couple of people monthly for reducing the spam? Would you ? No one has personally invited you to join the forum or the internet,its your choice .Since you're here,you must know all the possible trends in the market including scams.For your information,in every thread there is a detailed post glued on "how to be safe" and still if you fall a victim of scam, the admins/staffs are not to be blamed but your stupidity and lack of awareness.As far as the account sales are concerned,we have sell here for Netflix,spotify,Brazzers,etc which cannot be controlled by any of this companies .Similarly,taking off account sales is not going to help anyway .

None of the admin/mod is supposed to spend 24 hours on this forum.
If you read my earlier replies, I am asking for rules/policies to be implemented by coding these features not manual intervention.
Once they're coded then its all automated, there is no moderation required.
2098  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 10:10:13 AM
Yes but what if the guy himself scams after building all the reputation required to do one ?
what after making a scam accusation against him ? does it solves the issue ? No, the scam has already taken place and there is no fruit in banning the scammer/user except the useless satisfaction of the victim.

You added it later, that's why could not reply to it.
Lets say your family member is murdered brutally by someone. Now tell what would you do?
2099  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 09:07:38 AM
Most of the forum agrees to it because what you say is utter foolishness with no achievements by doing it.People should have the common sense to understand the consequences of their trade/deal whatever.

Now,if we put your question out of the forum then what are governments doing for the ton load of scams ,crimes increasing day by day ? It never ends and the best solution is that the people should take the required precautionary measures.

So you think there are no agencies established that are trying to control scams/money laundering in real world ?
Please read this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering
what is the outcome after having several agencies for that ? some people need to taste the fire in order to know the consequences and avoid it in the future.You can't help everyone. Undecided
Wikipedia is not reliable.

Look at your logic Sir: Wikipedia is not reliable. We should not try to do anything to control scams.
We should read to your comments & wait for people to get scammed here or in real world.

Implementing controls would reduce scams. I never said that implementing controls/rules/policies would stop scams.
Implementing controls is in our hands but preventing scammers from scamming is not. Still, if the controls are implemented then scams would reduce.
2100  Other / Meta / Re: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? on: December 24, 2015, 08:59:41 AM
Most of the forum agrees to it because what you say is utter foolishness with no achievements by doing it.People should have the common sense to understand the consequences of their trade/deal whatever.

Now,if we put your question out of the forum then what are governments doing for the ton load of scams ,crimes increasing day by day ? It never ends and the best solution is that the people should take the required precautionary measures.

So you think there are no agencies established that are trying to control scams/money laundering in real world ?
Please read this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering
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