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681  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2015, 10:33:26 PM
What will happen when the wall is gone?
Many would expect new lows, I'm not sure I see that happening, there seems to be a lot of accumulation going on behind the scenes.

this. I just don't see much ability or drive to break lower than 210. Charts have bounced off the 180-200 range several times and it looks like a bottom with decent support. At some point even the bears have to become bullish (they need coins from somewhere)

Most of the coins sold are from two sources: early adopters, and current miners. If someone bought $2000 worth several years back (anything from 200-2000BTC) its only logical that since the peak of 2013 they would have been slowly selling off some of those coins to lock in a profit, while likely retaining at least $5000-20,000 worth and which point they would likely hold and wait to see another price rally.

That means fewer and fewer coins in the sell wall are from early adopters, and instead come from mining (which is becoming more costly and will undergo halving in about a year)
682  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 3D printed miner on: June 25, 2015, 10:23:36 PM
the problem is that your idea is already what a dozen other people and companies are working on but at far more advanced stages (see sidehacks gekkoboard for example)
the only thing you're bringing to the game is a 3D-printed housing (which isnt economic compared to simply outsourcing properly injection-molded or built with metal)
683  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 3D printed miner on: June 25, 2015, 02:47:51 AM
so you will basically just be 3d printing a plastic enclosure? (which if you want >10 of could probably be done better quality for cheaper overseas)
then youll simply connect an RPI, PSU, and 'chips'? "chips" require control boards and software, as well as power delivery. its not gonna be some GPIO attachment for an RPI. What about heatsinks? fans?

If building a miner was this easy I would have built it already, but without a plastic housing that obstructs airflow

ps: GUI requires 'interface'. Are you saying that you'll be building a touchscreen into the front of the unit? I think what you meant was a small status LCD or a panel of LEDS.
684  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: June 20, 2015, 03:09:21 PM
Obviously the good people at Spondoolies would be the best bet to get matching original hardware, but I have no doubts there are others who could make that connection for you.

If you're willing to pay for it then you can buy all their PSUs off the shelf from [specialist] retailers. Exact model numbers are in their respective guides, although I'm unsure if the two variants of SP31 PSU are the same as the two variants in SP30s. SP35 had no variant but a different 1600W.

Be warned though, they are crazy expensive due to their compact package, and part of the reason SP3Xs were such good value /expensive for ST to manufacture. When they are / were no longer viable for mining, you had $400-$600 worth of PSUs to resell.

Is it possible for an SP3x to run using a single supply (ie: at 2500-3000GH it should be safe to run on a 1250W)?
685  Economy / Auctions / Re: ►►► 2013 Lealana Silver Error coin MS66 - 3 DAY AUCTION on: June 20, 2015, 03:04:38 PM
Damn, that's a pretty coin.  I bid 0.27 BTC if shipping to Canada is around $10 or less.
Damn, that's a pretty coin.  I bid 0.27 BTC if shipping to Canada is around $10 or less.

Shipping to Canada/U.S is 14 USD, tracked and insured, is that acceptable?

0.30 BTC (Toronto)
686  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: KnC new toys on: June 20, 2015, 02:55:52 PM
this guys should be in jail!!!

new chip Huh i hope btc price goes under 200 Grin say 100! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

they would still be making money because other miners would give up, droppingf the difficulty, while KNC and anyone with <5c/kwh will be able to mine more BTC for themselves
687  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: June 18, 2015, 01:52:01 AM
Yeah I swapped the PSUs out to working miners which are on different breakers and diagnosed the same result. 

What alerted me to the issue was an internet outage.  All the miners slowed and got cold, then when then internet returned, I noticed a couple of miners not come up to speed.  When I got to site and checked it out I found that the PSUs were showing a red LED.

I tried the PSUs in other miners and found it didn't change.

I am pretty confident they have died a death. Cry

death seems unlikely IMO - perhaps they tripped for some reason.

a few ideas:
1) plug everything in and leave it be for 5-10 min, booting or not
2) unplug the power. leave it unplugged for a full hour
3) plug back in, leave it be for at least 10-20min
4) remove psu from miner, isolate safely on a non-conductive surface, plug in. presumably the PS-ON trigger wont occur, and maybe that will allow the PSU to sort itself out
5) if you were on 120V, try 240V. or vice-versa

the psus are good quality, and of 12 SP3x/SP10 units that i do/have owned none were screwed up by either network or power outages/'blips'. hard to imagine multiple units going down to anything other than a safety trip
688  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BITMAIN AntMiner APW3-12-1600 PSU Series on: June 12, 2015, 02:34:22 PM
I just ordered 2 of these PSU APW3-12-1600-B2 from bitmaintech.
My issue is that upon pluggin the psu in, the fan comes on, but fails to even light up the S5, which i checked the actual s5 unit with another PSU i have working on another S5 that i already have. How possible could it be that i had 2 BAD PSU sent? Odds of that are wierd.
I sent a ticket in last night and this am woke to this:
Hi,
please confirm what's the voltage from the wall in your side.
The PSU cannot be used in countries with a mains power voltage lower than 205V. The PSU will not start below this voltage.
Please confirm whether it's due to this issue.

I wrote back that im in the US, upper middle class neighborhood with a house built in the late 90's.
Power is fine on my side, even as i told them that the unit works with my own PSU's and not my power issue, but a FAULTY PSU by them.
I hope they pay for the freight for return and EITHER A REPLACEMENT AT NO COST TO ME, or just give me back my frickin btc, ill go back to using the 750W like the other 3 i have working just great.


sounds like you dont know the difference between 'MINIMUM OF 205 VOLTS' and a typical 115V outlet.  obviously a 240V-only device wont work on 115V. Thats like trying to plug in a microwave to your 240V dryer outlet (hint: it will probably release smoke)

please confirm that you are either using a correct outlet, or simply did not read the PSU description properly before ordering
689  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: June 12, 2015, 02:26:20 PM
Oh well it was real guys.  Anyway  check out some of the projects I'm involved in now.

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=BTR

wow, looks like another poor choice to put money on - they have a $7M IPO and only sold $14k in the last 12 days

thats 0.2% of the IPO sold.
690  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 09, 2015, 12:54:57 PM

I think i just found a bull's cryptonite.

That graph. Whenever i post that 2012-2015 graph, i just make 'em puke. They are going berserk on me shortly after. The truth...

They can't handle the truth.

I got involved in 2012 and was around for the entire bubble. Your assumption that that bitcoin will reduce to pre-bubble levels is silly.

first, why do you take $100 as the starting point? There was clearly a bubble a year earlier that went from ~$25 to $260 to $80, before another bubble formed.
secondly - if you think $100 was a correct price, how can you look at the mainstream acceptance of bitcoin today and not recognize it to be at least 2x that of what it was then?

theres a lot of resistance sub-$220, and limited upwards resistance if a bull market emerges (small plateaus around $300,$400,$600 are the only major resistance levels on a longterm chart). If the price breaks abouve $260 it could very easily go to $300 and test resistance and a trendline. Breaking that, it would be a bull market
691  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Elastic block cap with rollover penalties on: June 08, 2015, 12:31:19 PM
i think as long as it averages over at least 1-2 weeks, thats sufficient to prevent any sort of rampant spamming.

I'm not sure, if "how long can spam last" covers the whole picture. I'd like to ask "how fast can miners deploy new hardware/adjust to an increased cap?" in addition.

mining hardware has little to do with the issue, besides the fact that if large blocks are slow to download it could allow large miners to [unintentionally] start creating small forms while the slower miners create orphans. The mining process is virtually unchanged
692  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Elastic block cap with rollover penalties on: June 08, 2015, 12:58:54 AM
The key here is how is T set. If T is fixed then 2T becomes the hard limit and the problem remains. If T is set based on an some average of previously mined blocks then this may address the problem
this

actually, just use twice the average blocksize of the last two weeks.

 And you don't really need any of this complicated system.
1. Floating block limits have their own set of problems, and may result in a scenario where there is no effective limit at all.

2. Even if you do place a floating block limit, it doesn't really relieve of the need for an elastic system. Whatever the block limit is, tx demand can approach it and then we have a crash landing scenario. We need a system that gracefully degrades when approaching the limit, whatever it is.
1) i beg to differ, so long as the timespan is sufficient that only a LONG lasting spam attack or other growth could cause massive block caps. Personally, i think as long as it averages over at least 1-2 weeks, thats sufficient to prevent any sort of rampant spamming.
2) if the cap is set at double the recent volumes, it should provide enough room for fuller blocks so long as we dont see 5x network growth within less than a 1-2 month timespan. even then, the cap would grow over time and lower prioriy transactions may just be pushed back a few blocks. fees take priority until everything balances out after a few days/weeks

(I suggest 2.5x the average of 40days, or 6000 blocks) OR ((2x the last 6000 blocks) + (0.5x the last 400 blocks)).  The second allows for slightly faster growth if there's sudden demand for room.
693  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Elastic block cap with rollover penalties on: June 04, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
however, the median transaction fee drastically drops as a result, and in a continued attack soon you could see that ~10% of transactions pay more than the median fee.

And if we use:
Code:
% of transactions with a fee higher than (median transaction fee of transactions with a fee)

This excludes zero fee transactions in the calculation of the median transaction fee.
In that case a large quantity of zero fee transactions (and spam) does not have influence on the median transaction fee.
perhaps a threshold? The problem is that spam is usually sent as a single transaction with 0.001btc fees and hundreds of recipients 0.0000001BTC that get. There should be protection in place that ensures sending thousands or millions of dust payments becomes prohibitively expensive, without limiting its use for colored coins or increasing fees to the regular user.

right now, the only sort of filter for this is the miners deciding whether to include or not include a transaction, and will include a spam transaction if theres a justifiable fee to do so.


IMO, the simplest way to specify the max size is as
Code:
Max Block Size = [2.50 * (average size of last 6000 blocks)] + [0.50 * (average size of last 600 blocks)]
That provides a max size thats 3x the size of the average block over the past 1000hrs (41days). If demand suddenly rises, the max size can double within a week.

say current block is ~0.5MB on average. The new size cap under this formula is 1.5MB (50% larger than it is now)

assume by the end of 2015 theres now 2MB/block on average, with business hours being around 5MB/block.
Code:
Max Block Size = [2.50 * (2)] + [0.50 * (~3MB during a busy week)] = 6.5MB
assume by the end of 2016 theres now 12MB/block on average, with business hours being around 30MB/block.
Code:
Max Block Size = [2.50 * (12)] + [0.50 * (~20MB)] = 40MB
assume that in the following week bitcoin gets popular, and suddenly there are 30-40MB blocks almost 24/7. within 4 days, the blocksize will increase to
Code:
Max Block Size = [2.50 * (~14)] + [0.50 * (~35MB)] = 52.5MB
694  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: KnC new toys on: June 04, 2015, 01:03:26 PM
http://www.kncminer.com/blog/newsarchive

"KnCMiner Just Broke All World Records Running A New 3D Bitcoin Mining Chip At 16 Nanometer"

They claim 0.07W/GH interesting to see how other miners will react when deploying new mines.

0.07w might be at severe underclocking and at the chip level. In actual implementation its likely 0.15-0.4w/gh at the wall depending if you over/underclock
695  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Elastic block cap with rollover penalties on: June 04, 2015, 12:54:14 PM
Code:
max block size = 10 * (median size of last 144 blocks) * (% of transactions with a fee higher than median transaction fee for last 144 blocks * 2)

Code:
max block size = 20 * (median size of last 1200 blocks) * (% of transactions with a fee higher than median transaction fee for last 600 blocks)

I think the above simplifies your equation slightly, and uses better timeframes (~200hrs and ~50hrs) to compute the averages.

my biggest concern is what would happen in a spam attack, which could easily last several days, to as much as a week, if a quick-changing algorithm can be played to drastically increase blocksize during that time.

lets look at your original equation: assume that blocks are 0.5MB for the last 144 blocks (thus the block limit will probably be set to something like 5-10MB), but then spam attacks start. you see every block filled with 5MB of spam, 95% of transactions below the median for fees. after 144 blocks of this (1 day), you get something like this:
Code:
max block size = 10 * (5MB) * (0.05 * 2) = 50*0.1 = 5MB
which seems to resist growing any larger.

however, the median transaction fee drastically drops as a result, and in a continued attack soon you could see that ~10% of transactions pay more than the median fee.

Code:
max block size = 10 * (5MB) * (0.1 * 2) = 10MB
   If this attack persisted for 3-4 days you could see the blocksize increase to >20MB very fast, and >60MB within a week (would likely require very well-funded spammers though)

longer timeframes are absolutely necessary, bare minimum should be 600 blocks for calculations.
696  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Elastic block cap with rollover penalties on: June 03, 2015, 03:02:28 PM

The key here is how is T set. If T is fixed then 2T becomes the hard limit and the problem remains. If T is set based on an some average of previously mined blocks then this may address the problem
We still need some way to determine the optimal block size, but we have much more leeway. The wrong choice will not cause catastrophic failure, rather gradually increasing fees which will indicate that a buff is needed. The flexibility will make it easier to reach community consensus about changing hardcoded parameters.

Reusing what I wrote to Gavin an a private exchange - I don't believe in having a block limit calculated automatically based on past blocks. Because it really doesn't put a limit at all. Suppose I wanted to spam the network. Now there is a limit of 1MB/block so I create 1MB/block of junk. If I keep this up the rule will update the size to 2MB/block, and then I spam with 2MB/block. Then 4MB, ad infinitum. The effects of increasing demand for legitimate transaction is similar. There's no real limit and no real market for fees.

Perhaps we can find a solution that uses an automatic rule for short-term fluctuations, and hardcoded parameters for long-term trends. If a good automatic cap rule can be found, it will be compatible with this method.


+1 to that.  I think a max thats determined as either:
T = 2.50*(average(last 8000 blocks))         #T is set the average transactions for the last ~2 months. Plenty of room for slow and steady growth, and too great a timespan to attack the blockchain with spam. keep in mind that transactions at night will probably be 1/5th the volume of those during business hours
or
T = (2.00*(average(last 8000 blocks))) + (0.50*(average(last 144 blocks)))     #This would allow short-term fluctuations that take a day or two to develop. Could be susceptible to a spam attack that last longer that 3+ days.

personally, i think a block limit thats set based on the average volume of the last 1-3 months would be fine. It would be flexible if the number of transactions increases very quickly, and could grow to 3-8x the maximum within a year if theres substancial volume. combined with your proposal above it could be extremely flexible. However...

I'm EXTREMELY cautious of altering how fees are created and distributed, as any changes made will directly impact miners and could lead to bribery and corruption of the bitcoin code to better pay the centralised mining companies. Any code changes that are implemented should not involve factors or values that will need to be adjusted down the road, or it will simply lead to a 'democracy' of core-qt 'improvement'
697  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion on: June 02, 2015, 12:44:39 PM
Sure. Maybe if I get another whole unit working I can auction it off for dev funds. I've been considering doing that with some New R-Box units we have laying around. Once I get some Compac prototypes working and the first set delivered for testing, I might have four or five more I could auction off as well. That'd be interesting.

Id be happy to buy the dead S5 directly, and he can simply donate that to you? It would save shipping it twice to get it to Toronto, Canada
698  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury - Mining Lighbulb on: June 02, 2015, 12:36:51 PM
Can you think of a single benefit that comes from combining a light bulb and a miner?

Let's say home miners have two options (both using the same chips):

Option 1: 60W, 200 GH/s lightbulbs for $80 each (0.3 W/gh and $0.4/gh)

Option 2: 400W, 2000 GH/s blade style miner for $500 (0.2 W/gh and $0.25/gh)

In what scenario would it make sense to go with option 1?

quiet comfortable longterm solomining?

Solomining with cheaper and more efficient hardware is still a better option.

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Honestly the spread of heat and no noise seem to be a pretty good positive.

There's no reason a home miner can't be practically dead silent. I replaced the fans on my SP20 and BTCgarden miners and they were so quiet you couldn't here them from more than a few feet away.

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One that mines gives heat (and hopefully app controlled) would be pretty neat.

A regular miner already gives off heat and can be remotely controlled. Adding a light bulb doesn't change this.

If your goal is to recycle heat (i.e. save money), then it would definitely make sense to go with the cheaper and more efficient miner (option 2).
It is essentially the stick miner debate, it isn't better in any way but it is a nice, hopefully easy fun thing to do and while packed into a new neat design.

100% agree. Its basically a novelty device that doesnt make sense if you are serious about mining a reasonable amount of coins.
even loud hardware can be put in a spare room or a shed, and will be far more cost effective, and not require every lamp in your house being a heating element.
699  Economy / Auctions / Re: Sellin 3x 0.5 BTC casascius coins 2013 on: June 02, 2015, 11:50:15 AM
pretty dissapointed that the auction ended almost 12hrs ago any yogg hstn shown up again since.

my bid was 0.6 for a 'safe' (ie: photographic proof and/or escrow) trade, and 0.65BTC if the coin in question can be shown as good condition (little or no wear/markings)

that said, if yogg doesnt want to show up again soon to complete his own auction - ill probably leave negative trust. Im sick of fake auctions
700  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: June 01, 2015, 11:24:50 PM
Found it:


This system is basically equivalent to 4 SP20 systems in one 1U tray.

Contact information:

Nathan Ho
Founder/CEO
Miner Edge LLC
MinerEdge.com
Email: nathan at mineredge.com
skype:  h.nathan.h@Skype

[/quote]

how did i miss that till now? 32chips in a 1U enclosure (the SP3x had 30/2U) seems like a LOT of heat, particularly if the PSUs are inline with the chips (which one is getting the 'secondary' already-hot air?)

Nevertheless, could be great for bulk deployment
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