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8841  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Effects of Banning Bitcoin ? on: November 04, 2016, 03:27:07 AM
I think everthing will be good with bitcoin andd he will just grow and many pupils will become rich because of bitcoin.

You are out of the context, the thread is all about banning bitcoin and you are saying way too far from it.

I think the effect of it will startled the bitcoin people to keep on doing something to keep on the usage of bitcoin and no one will ever stop them from doing it because many are holders of bitcoin and they want to use for their own sake.
Yes you are right. Bitcoin will not really banned if so many people still using bitcoin. Whatever goverment do for stop people from using bitcoin is in vain. People have freedom from access internet, even goverment cooperated with isp to banned bitcoin.

True. Unless the whole world bans bitcoin, it will stay relevant. Or possibly the whole internet gets killed or it organically destroys bitcoin connected transactions, then we will still see bitcoin being used.

if the whole world bans bitcoin, i am not sure that bitcoin community will not react. there will be something to do with the banned of bitcoin, so people still can use bitcoin. but its different if internet gets killed, and this can make anything in chaos, because for now, the technology is like primary need for every people, not just for people in office but people in home too.
8842  Economy / Economics / Re: What will happen if we use a one currency only? on: November 04, 2016, 03:20:20 AM
then there is only strong country will survive and the small country will collapse with fast as each country is not the same for many aspect, there is still many different we can found in each country, like in economy, people society, money growth in that country, fluctuation and else and if we only use one currency, imagine what will be happen with the small and poor country. this can make big world war than we can not imagine.
8843  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how can i safe from scamer members.. on: November 04, 2016, 03:00:48 AM
my suggestion is don't make a deal with the person you don't know and if you want to make a deal, make sure that person have a good reputable in this forum but its not guarantee too. the best is be careful to make a deal especially if the transaction need to paid for big btc.
8844  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The best cloud mining site !!! on: November 04, 2016, 02:58:17 AM
Almost all cloudmining sites are scams. Maybe hashnest and genesis mining are exceptions, but not many reports of people who have had good results there. In fact there are many reports of low profits or even losses.

Today is really hard to find cloud mining which really pays the member and we should careful to choose, but for hashnest and genesis, i think they still good until now, but if you want to make invest on their site, you can not make ROI in just 8 month, especially if you only buy minimal hashrate on their site because you should think how much you can get in a day with that small hashrate.
8845  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Did you already lose your BTCs on an online Wallet? on: November 04, 2016, 02:40:46 AM
i have this experience on poloniex and i think its because of my vault. i am forgot to activate 2FA and email verification to check the IP that i use when i login on that website. i already ask with their support system, they tell me that they can help to trace the wallet and the IP that login into my account but they can not do anything with my btc. fatal mistake that i am do in the past and i hope it wouldn't happen again in future.
8846  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Exchange markets for altcoin on: November 02, 2016, 02:06:28 PM
1) Go to kraken and deposit USD|EUR
2) Buy bitcoins on kraken
3) Withdraw your bitcoins from kraken to Poloniex (biggest altcoins volume market)

When you want to cash-out :

4) Sell all your altcoins on Poloniex for bitcoins
5) Withdraw your bitcoins from poloniex to kraken
6) Sell your bitcoins on kraken
7) Withdraws your $$ from kraken

thank you,

i did deposit euro with Kraken, now the question is:
how can i avoid keeping my money/bitcoin  etc in these online exchange markets as i have seen that they are not that secure.
Is there a way to trade on poloniex but still keep my bitcoin in my own wallet?
or how a good/safe trading procedure would look like (broken down on steps) considerint that now i have  euro on kraken. how to i get to trade on poloniex but keep the bitcoin/altcoin safe
and yeah..

how do you keep your other altcoins safe?(avoiding online wallets)



you can trying offline wallet or use android phone as bitcoin wallet for all or half of your bitcoin or you can spread all of your bitcoin. you can trade on poloniex for half of your bitcoin and the rest you can hold it on your own wallet. first, you need to buy bitcoin on kraken but wait for low price first and after you have your bitcoin, then you can withdraw it into poloniex bitcoin wallet and then you can start to trade in poloniex with btc-usd or btc-alt.

i will install offline wallet in my pc and i already did this for now and i still holding some of coins in my offline wallet in my pc.
8847  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What stops you from opening a local bitcoin exchange business? on: November 02, 2016, 02:00:33 PM
i think i don't have much bitcoin to start local bitcoin exchange business because as far as i know, its really need much of money and bitcoin because we are giving our services to our friends for first and the order is really need some money and bitcoin. maybe if i have much bitcoin and much money, i will open my local bitcoin exchange business because i see the profit is really good.
8848  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Investing in Gambling Sites on: November 02, 2016, 01:56:06 PM
i know that one thread is giving his report weeks by weeks but i am not sure if this is work for you or not because not all method is working with all people. but if you really want to make investing in gambling sites, then you can trying by yourself but the risk is all yours, and maybe you can start with minimal amount for investing and see what is happen with your investment.
8849  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you want to become Rich you need to Put Higher bets on: November 02, 2016, 01:53:56 PM
i don't think that put higher bets will make us to become rich because there is still a high risk that we can face it. if we are win then we are really get big money, but in the same time, if we are loss then we only loss and regret that we have to put higher bets. better play with safe and only spend your money that you can spend and don't risky all of your money.
8850  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: November 02, 2016, 01:35:33 PM
I don't think any kind of gambling to be profitable in the long term, people can not win every time and sometime they will loose their money, so its better to play for fun and stay away from gambling addiction.

It is really better, but majority of those persons who play gambling only for money, including me because many time i play gambling for earn money, but still i know many chances to lose.
I also think that every game of gambling is not profitable in a long term, and i think it would be know everyone who play gambling.
that's how an addicted gambler play , they know they will lost but keep going.
and this is remind me on how important to set your losing limit amount .
so even there is low chance for you to get profit in the long term at least you did not losing too much.
So maybe I can call myself addicted in the past because that's how I play, I usually chase my bets because I am deeply saddened seeing my money slowly diminishing. But to tell you guys, it's not really good based on experience as it almost ruin my life, let's try to sleep even with big loses.

so i think then its the right time for you to stop your old style for chasing your bets and start to not get rush in playing gambling. i think if you are good in gambling, you can play and win some amount, then you can comeback again in tomorrow, and win some amount again for a day and you can make gambling as profitable as you want. i am sorry if this is wrong for you.
8851  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: NEver keep all your coins on an exchange on: November 02, 2016, 01:21:45 PM
The story with Bitfinex teached all of us to not keep money on one place. I think it is not safe to hold bitcoins in an exchanger generally. They have low security protection so if you are holding your coins on some exchanger site you already mase say goodbye to it. You never know in wich moment of time it going to be hacked.

better to use cold storage or personal wallet in android or pc or laptop to hold bitcoin or spread your bitcoins in many exchanger so if one of exchanger gets hacked, your other bitcoin is not get hacked too and you can still use your bitcoin to continue to trading. but this mean its not safe forever, and we still manage our bitcoin to the safe place.
8852  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think the elections are rigged? on: November 02, 2016, 01:19:38 PM
i think all politics will doing the same like what happen in US and we can see that there are many ways to make fraud, but i am sure that there are a good people behind on elections that wants all things work with the honesty and good results without any fraud.
8853  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: High bet amounts or low bet amounts? What is your style? on: November 02, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
because i am really afraid to loss much of bitcoin, then i will only make a bet in small amount like 0.001btc - 0.005btc and i know that i can't expecting for getting big win if i am the winner but its fine for me if finally i can win small amount too.
8854  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you consider trading as gambling? on: November 02, 2016, 01:06:19 PM
No, i do not. Trading is never the same as gambling although many people have said that it is. Trading requires a lot of experience and skill which can help you to earn the profit. And you also need a tutor to guide you, help you and explain how trading work.
Having a tutor is great but most people are not going to be able to find one, what are they supposed to do? Give up trading? No they will have to learn on their own that is a lot more difficult but it is possible to do it.

I can consider that trading is also gambling in the way that you are taking a risk and every type of investments are just like gambling and you must be able to accept that fact that you need to take it.

 And if you don't want to take a risk in trading then you must stop gambling too, because if you are going to keep on gambling, you can just trade easily.

This is wrong perspektif. trading can be a gambling if you do it without any plan or analysist, just random buy/sell. but otherwise, it's a dignified profession.

if you think trading as gambling why people on wall streets risking their life with gamble.

its true, make trading without make any analyze for coins is only risking your money and you can loss in a second. but to prevent this, you can make small analyze before you buy any coins. and trading is not the same as gambling which can loss all of our money because in trading if we get loss on our coins, then we can wait for a while to see the price is back on high price and then we can sell it to get profit for that coins.
8855  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Cloud mining with low invest on: November 02, 2016, 01:00:23 PM
for cloud mining with low invest will be to hashnest because for now, the price for 1 ghs is really cheap and if you want to buy for 1000 ghs is only for 0.04x btc, but i don't know when you can get your ROI because the bitcoin difficulty is increase and need big hashrate to find one block and like other member said, better you mining altcoin with low difficulty.
8856  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How does bitcoin ATM going to affect bitcoin? on: November 02, 2016, 12:56:27 PM
I am wondering if there are a lot of bitcoin ATM spread around in your country, how will it affect to bitcoin, will it attract more user, will it boost bitcoin reputation, or will it provoke the government for banned the coin? because as we know bitcoin also give freedom to money laundry, and other illegal transaction

i think it will affect to bitcoin itself and can attract more user to use bitcoin and in other hands, bitcoin will be strong than now and bitcoin will be increase its reputation. but its depend on government, if they accepted bitcoin then the position of bitcoin in one country will become strong and solid because its have back up from government, but if government banned bitcoin, then i think people which is involve with bitcoin still using bitcoin and for the other people will stay away from bitcoin.
8857  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: bitcoin related job on: November 02, 2016, 12:53:43 PM
i see that you wearing signature campaign, did you accepted or not? if you are accepted then you can start to earn some bitcoin and its good for you. but if you need to find another jobs and you have skills in any fields, then you can start to go with freelancer sites and i think you can start to receive some orders to do. but for the payment, i don't think its in bitcoin, but its dollar.
8858  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: is gambling worth to try for newbie? on: November 02, 2016, 12:50:21 PM
Everybody came from newbie, even the professional gambler.
No one became a professional in one thing before being a newbie.
newbie is where they came from, where we came from.

yes and not just in gambling, because we are all is from zero but with hard work and smart work and little effort, we can reach what we want. newbie is just for someone which is new in one place, but with little trial and error, that newbie will be growth into expert and can make what he wants.
8859  Economy / Economics / Re: You are not successful Bitcoin, but you can get passive income with other way on: November 02, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
if we don't get successful in bitcoin, but we are get successful in another source, i think its really worth and you deserve for that. my main source income is from trade bitcoin-altcoin, bitcoin-usd, but in the past i had success in a blog but for some reason i can not update my blog, now its abandon for a while.

but if you said you can selling t-shirt with amazon, its not passive income but its a good job for you so you can make money from amazon. beside that, with the blog, i think its a good start to make good money but you must have a good content to your readers and you can put some ads in your blog.
8860  Economy / Services / Re: INCREASED PAYOUT(7/13) ۩۞۩ secondstrade.com ★signature campaign★upto0.00041/post on: November 02, 2016, 12:33:01 PM

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