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201  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Decentralized internet - and what it could mean For Bitcoin on: September 05, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
Techincally if everyone would bridge their routers together into one long chain via wireless WDS or even a wired link then we could create one big LAN network completely shut off from the internet, There could be websites hosted within the LAN and you could share files with other users of the LAN.
 
LOL think about linking all the routers in a city together  Cheesy It would be the biggest LAN party ever!

my router refuses to have ips away from 192.168.2-255

so at most you could only ever have 254 connections at most, but the other routers will require their own address, so its more like 150 or 200.

and my router is not exactly "cheap" its a netgear WNDR3700. dual radios, although i don't even use wireless lol. but its there if i ever need it. i am also sure a hack could be made for it, to suit this particular projects needs.
202  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China's already doing it with gold on: September 05, 2011, 04:43:58 AM
link to the leak?

edit: i think this is it magnet:?xt=urn:btih:050EAA96378919F18AAAEF181184C7835E759BA9&dn=cablegate-201108300212.7z&tr=udp%3a//tracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80/announce
203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 05, 2011, 12:29:35 AM
I'm not giving my DNA to the feds. It took long enough to make them delete my SSN - why would I want them to be able to clone me?!

dna is worthless if you have nothing else with it. for example, if they found dna at a crime scene, and you were a registered voter, they would see the dna in the database, but still have no idea whos it was, so it does not matter, because you never gave them  name or anything.
So I walk into a facility with video cameras and donate a DNA sample and they have no way of knowing who I am?

why would there need to be video cameras? you could wear a mask.
The federal government? They love video cameras. Every single federal building is festooned with cameras.

You cannot enter a federal building wearing a mask. Security will not let you in.

i dont know where you live, but here in st louis, almost every government building i have ever been in lacked security guards. also, my idea was not for the current situation, but one where current ideas we think of now as sound, are being debated and floating around in limbo. for example, cameras.
Identity isn't the only problem. In a few decades they may be able to clone me from that sample. I won't even be able to own my own self!

may be able to, current technology for cloning is nothing like people think. clones are made today to my knowledge by fertilizing eggs with the same "seed" over and over. so a clone is nothing more than a duplicate with very similar dna or identical dna. so you could probably classify twins as clones if you tried hard enough. also, it would be very difficult and likely impossible to make a duplicate from data from dna. we can clone things because we have direct access to the person or animal.

your right though, we may be able to make a person from scratch with nothing other than their dna.
204  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 04, 2011, 10:02:56 PM
I'm not giving my DNA to the feds. It took long enough to make them delete my SSN - why would I want them to be able to clone me?!

dna is worthless if you have nothing else with it. for example, if they found dna at a crime scene, and you were a registered voter, they would see the dna in the database, but still have no idea whos it was, so it does not matter, because you never gave them  name or anything.
So I walk into a facility with video cameras and donate a DNA sample and they have no way of knowing who I am?

why would there need to be video cameras? you could wear a mask.
The federal government? They love video cameras. Every single federal building is festooned with cameras.

You cannot enter a federal building wearing a mask. Security will not let you in.

i dont know where you live, but here in st louis, almost every government building i have ever been in lacked security guards. also, my idea was not for the current situation, but one where current ideas we think of now as sound, are being debated and floating around in limbo. for example, cameras.
205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 04, 2011, 09:43:54 PM
I'm not giving my DNA to the feds. It took long enough to make them delete my SSN - why would I want them to be able to clone me?!

dna is worthless if you have nothing else with it. for example, if they found dna at a crime scene, and you were a registered voter, they would see the dna in the database, but still have no idea whos it was, so it does not matter, because you never gave them  name or anything.
So I walk into a facility with video cameras and donate a DNA sample and they have no way of knowing who I am?

why would there need to be video cameras? you could wear a mask.
206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 04, 2011, 09:32:36 PM
I'm surprised that no-one's mentioned Freenet yet - it is effectively the decentralized internet that people are mentioning. The client allocates a certain portion of your disk (you specify this, default is 10GB) and then web data is stored on your machine. If someone wants to browse the site then it retrieves this data from the nearest peers.

there is no way id do that, you run huge risks of abuse and not to mention storing child porn. its another reason why id never run a tor node on my home connection. however i have considered getting an anonymous dedicated server somehow for tor.
207  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 04, 2011, 09:23:41 PM
there is an issue with medicine, and that it deals directly with the lives of the people they deal with. i would agree that the system in the US is costly and inefficient.

now a specific issue, people work by motivation, they work good and hard if they get paid well, and doctors in the US are paid well, and i very much like it that way. because if they did not get paid well, what is the motivation. in my mind, the last thing you do is cut how much they make. instead you work on making medical equipment and medicine priced better through shortening the length of time a company can hold a patent.

a short simple example

diabetic test strips cost around $1 each. you need a brand new one every time you test your blood sugar. you need to check it around 3 times a day. thats $90 a month for 30 days and $1000 a year for 360 days. now the medicine, average 2 separate doses per day, that's 2 syringes  a day, about $25 per 200 or so. some figures show $8 a day on actual insulin.

so lets add all that up

8+
.25
3

$11.25 per day
337 per month
4000 per year

thats just medical supplies, not including bi yearly vistits, and these numbers can be much higher, depending on how severe your diabetes is. and this is why i argue for cheaper supplies, because we all know they cost a lot less than that to make.
208  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 04, 2011, 06:45:42 PM
I'm not giving my DNA to the feds. It took long enough to make them delete my SSN - why would I want them to be able to clone me?!

dna is worthless if you have nothing else with it. for example, if they found dna at a crime scene, and you were a registered voter, they would see the dna in the database, but still have no idea whos it was, so it does not matter, because you never gave them  name or anything.
209  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: IRC bootstrapping causes suspected botnet activity with AT&T on: September 04, 2011, 04:04:41 PM
i think there needs to be a court ruling that deals with all these rouge isps in the US.

forbid monitoring any lines, just like phone tapping(although they happen too)
no limits or reasonable bandwidth limits (i think 500 or 600gb is fair for a 20megabit line, lets be honest here, 300 gigs is silly, and can be easily met.)
allow customers to run anything they like on their connections, whether it be servers or bitcoin or BT, as long as its legal.
does that silly law still exist where you cant import/export certain cryptography outside the US? they have no place to make these decisions.
210  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: IRC bootstrapping causes suspected botnet activity with AT&T on: September 04, 2011, 07:41:25 AM
It's not even lying, really.  -noirc takes care of the problem.  Smiley

never was a problem

if at&t thinks bitcoin is slowing down their network, then they need some serious help.
211  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 04, 2011, 05:49:10 AM
I thought of this too, but in reality it always ends in clusterfuck.

The only true democracy would be all people voting on every single issue ever, always. And it would be entirely possible too if you could see public verifiable votes on everything, and whatever you vote with (phone app, computer) can also recount and confirm your vote later on. 

BUT then you start to realize... the majority of people are fucking idiots. And the system would devolve into everyone voting however lady gaga does... and then we are all wearing government mandated meat suits by friday.

Sooo really, the true answer to politics would be actual engineers and professors voting on things, but thats never going to happen.



Bitcoins as well has "ended in clusterfuck" in my eyes. Its a hackers wet dream, and the theft and hacking will only get worse and worse until bitcoins are worthless and they stop trying.





i have pondered doing just that.

its kind of simple really. all you do is have a neighborhood issue themselves private keys, one per person that is eligible to vote. each neighborhood would have voting inspectors. then in each state, all the neighborhood voting inspectors report to the state voting office. then each state reports to the national voting office. to vote for something, all you do is sign a document that states your wishes or something.

to ensure there is only 1 vote per person, you test their dna, you do not keep any information other than the dna, no names or pictures or anything, because you don't need it. all you do is show up at the neighborhood voting office, they take your dna, and you give them your public key. they would not accept dna that they did not witness firsthand.

so heres the proces,
show up at the local voting office
give them your dna and a public key

in the case of twins, both must show up at the same time, they will have separate keys, but they will be able to have 2 keys per 1 dna.
212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin vs solidcoin on: September 04, 2011, 05:36:51 AM
you don't seem to understand a fundamental issue with decentralization, of course unless you plan to add centralization.

the fundamental problem is that you can not control how a user will interact in the network or use a protocol. of course a 51% attack would be impossible in a perfect world, because the software that is widely used simply does not allow it. however users can write their own software to do different things, therefore if you have a large portion of the network, you have "control" as long as you have custom software to allow it.

also, you cant enforce time stamping to be more than somewhat accurate, because you have no central authority to say if a time stamp was bad or not.

and i challenge you to attack the bitcoin network, since you seem to have figured it out.

Where do you get the idea I don't understand decentralization? What part of the post above makes you believe that?

If you think the only way to defend a network is through centralization you would be wrong. If you think all the smartest ideas in the world are going into Bitcoin you would be wrong.

Anyone that argues "Once you get 51% you can do blah blah with SolidCoin" is someone that doesn't understand the issue. 51% on SC or BTC right now means DEATH. There is nothing worse than DEATH. If they start playing with the timestamps, generating mass coins, double spending, withholding tx etc, people will stop accepting SC or BTC. That is what we call DEATH.

It's like talking to a brick wall with some of the people here.



you have yet to say any solutions to the above problems, and i never said anything about solid coin or bitcoin, the issue is that the system is decentralized. decentralization by nature makes it difficult to identify nodes that are related, in this case, a single entity, for any bitcoin based system. therefore you can never prevent the 51% attack, you can always hard code in exceptions, but that adds centralization to the system.

again, if you have a solution to any of them problems, or are able to attack the network, then by all means.
213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin vs solidcoin on: September 04, 2011, 04:11:44 AM
Yes. It appears any time-triggered system or asymmetrically adjusting algorithm using block timestamps can be gamed by a 51% attacker.
What's worse, the same thing can be done by a 51% collective of attackers without requiring any central coordination other than agreeing on a starting block and what rules define a "properly fake" block timestamp.

Yes except you're missing the point. This is easily detectable, and if Bitcoin or SolidCoin have a 51% attacker that wants to destroy either chain, they currently can. As soon as I hear someone say "Well if you get to 51%...." it sounds like they have no idea what they are talking about. Assume 51% and malicious means game over.

Unlike Bitcoin I am working on a way to solve the problem of the 51% attacker. And good luck to you personally too..... you mess with thousands of peoples computers, network and investments and you can expect some sort of response.... the people here cheering on this blackhat should also take a look at themselves.

I know numerous vulnerabilites in Bitcoin's chain and if I wanted to do an "artforz" to bitcoin I could. That is the difference between someone that has no intent to harm others and someone that does.

you don't seem to understand a fundamental issue with decentralization, of course unless you plan to add centralization.

the fundamental problem is that you can not control how a user will interact in the network or use a protocol. of course a 51% attack would be impossible in a perfect world, because the software that is widely used simply does not allow it. however users can write their own software to do different things, therefore if you have a large portion of the network, you have "control" as long as you have custom software to allow it.

also, you cant enforce time stamping to be more than somewhat accurate, because you have no central authority to say if a time stamp was bad or not.

and i challenge you to attack the bitcoin network, since you seem to have figured it out.
214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 04, 2011, 03:03:40 AM
i just though of something

the reason we have centralization is because people are unable to think for themselves, so they turn to government and religion to tell them what to do.

from the movie collapse, he said we will need a revolution, not of violence, but revolution of the mind.
215  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 04, 2011, 02:48:28 AM
the biggest issue with decentralized internet, is addressing, how do you stop people from abusing that, you have to have an address.

also, mesh networking would only be good for slow web browsing at best with current wireless technology, because each hope will add at least 20ms to your ping. so unless you have some super transmitters, good luck getting any decent pings.
216  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [ANN] Discrete Hydroponics for Bitcoin on: September 03, 2011, 07:57:51 PM
i wonder what all this stuff is for.
217  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: IRC bootstrapping causes suspected botnet activity with AT&T on: September 03, 2011, 07:53:31 PM
glad my isp don't care about anything, bandwidth limits, servers, i just love them Cheesy.
218  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin vs solidcoin on: September 02, 2011, 11:19:01 PM
its a problem, when the only reason people use bitcoin, is to make money. bitcoin is a medium of exchange, not stocks.

Yeah, the design of Bitcoin makes it more suitable as a store of value than a medium of exchange because you are discouraged from spending it. This is the reason why it will never become a mainstream currency.

Surprised nobody has tried to refute this. I guess we are all in agreement about the inviability of the current economic model and that we should go back to the drawing board then?

you got it dude
219  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin vs solidcoin on: September 02, 2011, 11:51:29 AM
its a problem, when the only reason people use bitcoin, is to make money. bitcoin is a medium of exchange, not stocks.
220  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin official sites? why on separate domains? on: September 02, 2011, 12:37:00 AM
no such thing as "official" in bitcoin.

i could in reality build a BC client, but instead of calling it bitcoin, i could call it "buttcoin" and you would trade "buttcoins" or even [insert name here]. and it would still work with the bitcoin blockchain and its peers and everything.
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