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321  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin block size on: August 12, 2011, 11:30:06 AM
You do know that this has already been discussed to death, right? For starters have a look at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability.

1. Only a full node will need the entire block chain. End users will use a lightweight client that stores only relevant info, and uses the services of a full node to learn about transactions (but not to sign transactions).
2. Spent transaction will be pruned from the block chain, so storage requirement will be small.
3. 1.8 MB/s bandwidth is very reasonable.
4. Some of your math is off, eg it would be 50 TiB per year, not 51456.

Bitcoin is not meant to replace Visa any more than dollars or gold are meant to replace Visa.
I partially disagree. One of the selling points of Bitcoin is that it is a currency that has payment processing built-in. Centralized services like Visa will have their place, but it is a good thing if they are in competition with raw Bitcoin.

it was my understanding that you needed the entire block in order to hash it to verify it, so how can you possibly remove data from the chain.
322  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin block size on: August 12, 2011, 11:21:08 AM
not sure if it is needed to have the complete block chain to do a payment really Tongue

its not required, but you only know of transactions that exist in the portion of the chain you have. also, you can never know if the part of the chain you have is valid in comparison to the full chain.

IMO i think we need a drastic rework on how we make sure who has how much and such without requiring so much data to be stored forever.

i do not know of a way, but i would guess a way to not need the entire chain through "checkpoint" blocks. also we could drop addresses that have had no activity for x number of blocks.

or we could start over from scratch with a brand new genisis block and everything once the chain gets unmanageable. or even a competing chain would be good. that way the phase out period is smaller. (do not use ixcoin, we need a TRUSTED new chain, where the genesis block is made live, just import and start hashing)
this would also get rid of the "early adopter" "problem", since every few years a new chain would start competing with existing chains.

You either centralize the system which brings back the problems of abuse and counterparty risk or live with the problems that any decentralized system has.

Its not a bug, its a feature.  Tongue

i agree, i guess i want my cake, and to eat it too.

but i think competing systems is always good, even for bitcoin.
323  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin block size on: August 12, 2011, 11:06:41 AM
not sure if it is needed to have the complete block chain to do a payment really Tongue

its not required, but you only know of transactions that exist in the portion of the chain you have. also, you can never know if the part of the chain you have is valid in comparison to the full chain.

IMO i think we need a drastic rework on how we make sure who has how much and such without requiring so much data to be stored forever.

i do not know of a way, but i would guess a way to not need the entire chain through "checkpoint" blocks. also we could drop addresses that have had no activity for x number of blocks.

or we could start over from scratch with a brand new genisis block and everything once the chain gets unmanageable. or even a competing chain would be good. that way the phase out period is smaller. (do not use ixcoin, we need a TRUSTED new chain, where the genesis block is made live, just import and start hashing)
this would also get rid of the "early adopter" "problem", since every few years a new chain would start competing with existing chains.
324  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin block size on: August 12, 2011, 10:49:47 AM
i guess i just see something in bitcoin that is not possible large scale. where you can freely pay who you want without having to worry about the government tracking your every move. not having to trust 2 people to do one transaction.
325  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Deterministic Bitcoin wallet generator, using a FILE on: August 12, 2011, 10:33:22 AM
i didnt use the google logo to make a wallet
326  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin block size on: August 12, 2011, 10:24:47 AM
i just recently read some slides on bitcoin that seems to make some okay arguments against it, mostly concerning the size of the blockchain.

they make the claim that if bitcoin were to replace just visa, then we would require 3TB of storage every 21 days.

the average transaction size for the past 1000 blocks is 438, bytes i assume, it does not give units.

given the number of 4000 average TXN per second at 438 bytes per TXN

1752000bytes per second
105120000 bytes per minute
6307200000 bytes per hour
147825000 kilobytes per day
~140 gigabytes per day
~51456 terabytes per year (365)

seeing these numbers makes you wonder really wonder. what is the solution?

Don't use Bitcoin like credit cards?

After all, the credit cards companies keep a record of my transactions which they bill me at the end of the month. My bank or bitcoin wallet in this context only see one transaction where I pay them at the end of the month or whenever I please.

So credit cards companies don't have to worry Bitcoin will drive them out of business, one less enemy Cheesy
They just need to update their systems to accept transactions denoted in BTC that's all.


i see what your saying, and i thought of this, but it goes against what bitcoin is about, you holding your money. we already have this partialy, for example person to person transfers inside wallets and exchanges. no transaction is made in the chain. this also means that someone could just decide they wanted you coins and would just take them, or they could start FRB.
327  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin block size on: August 12, 2011, 10:08:59 AM
then what is it for?
328  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Vanitygen: Vanity bitcoin address generator [v0.17] on: August 12, 2011, 10:03:19 AM
I have found a bitcoin address, can I use it just for "receive" coins even if I didn't added it on my wallet/client? ( I'll add it later ... )

test with like .001 bitcoins before you do anything major. make sure you are able to reclaim the coins you put in
329  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / bitcoin block size on: August 12, 2011, 09:54:00 AM
i just recently read some slides on bitcoin that seems to make some okay arguments against it, mostly concerning the size of the blockchain.

they make the claim that if bitcoin were to replace just visa, then we would require 3TB of storage every 21 days.

the average transaction size for the past 1000 blocks is 438, bytes i assume, it does not give units.

given the number of 4000 average TXN per second at 438 bytes per TXN

1752000bytes per second
105120000 bytes per minute
6307200000 bytes per hour
147825000 kilobytes per day
~140 gigabytes per day
~51456 terabytes per year (365)

seeing these numbers makes you wonder really wonder. what is the solution?

if we could get the average TXN size down to 300 bytes per TXN @ 4000 TPS

1200000 bytes per second
72000000 bytes per minute
70312.5 kilobytes per minute
4119 megabytes per hour
98876 megabytes per day
34 terabytes per year

i don't know if bitcoin has a future seeing this.

but here are some solutions to help the problem

use only 1 address
checkpoint blocks, every x number of blocks, every transaction done since the last checkpoint block is consolidated, only contains a huge DB of who has how much, its a block that does not use any hashing and is made by every client, no reward is given. yes there is some security problems with this.
compression(i think the blockchain gets ~70% compression ratio)
making a brand new branch of bitcoin every so often

yes i will still use bitcoin, we just need to fix this problem now before the situation gets out of control.
330  Other / Off-topic / Re: NASA Scientists Confirm Panspermia Hypothesis (life seeded on Earth) on: August 12, 2011, 06:26:01 AM
also various bacteria have been able to survive and thrive in space, namely escherichia coli

and the tardigrade has even laid eggs that hatched in space. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Zfdmie4hA
331  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Great wallet solution - $80 netbook! on: August 12, 2011, 05:49:55 AM
that thing cant run bitcoin

it only has 128meg of ram and i am not sure that bitcoin will run on arm.

edit:

heres a list of some that might run bitcoin

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=772&name=Netbooks&Order=PRICE

1 gig of ram should be enough.

heres a laptop that is better and costs like 20 or 30 more than the cheapest netbook

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215112
332  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / free transaction pools? on: August 12, 2011, 12:33:02 AM
are there any pools that include transactions that are free with no fee?
333  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: M*Disc comming in October - new way to back up your wallet.dat on: August 11, 2011, 09:49:59 PM
DVD players?

Ha. They are already obsolete.

hardly

some people do not require TBs of porn to have ultralong shelf life. for example, keys, wallets, documents.
also, i do not know how a normal dvd would stand up to an EMP, it probably doesn't effect it, but m-disc would be immune, since it only has holes.
334  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does Bitcoin need the most? Wallet Security, Safe Exchanges, User Friendly? on: August 11, 2011, 06:50:48 PM
hot female mascot

LOL! I used to agree with you until I learned throught actual marketing research that a hot car brought in more *paying* customers than a hot female. Surprised the hell out of me.

i agree and disagree, a hot mascot will get you noticed by more people faster. bitcoin is not really a "product" in the traditional sense.
335  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What does Bitcoin need the most? Wallet Security, Safe Exchanges, User Friendly? on: August 11, 2011, 06:00:34 PM
hot female mascot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k6w1yP5-XY

I dont think 16 million people watched the video for exercise(not THAT exercise Tongue)

this is proof that a hot female can get people to look at the video at minimum, if they listen or not is another thing.
336  Other / Off-topic / Re: Stop misusing the term hacker people on: August 11, 2011, 05:43:50 PM
Language evolve man, just have to live with it. No point trying to fight the tide of linguistic evolution. I used to get annoyed about these things, still remember when folks were trying to make the distinction between hackers and crackers (is this even in use today?). As well as things like the "CPU" isn't the box sitting on your table/floor. But well, it's generally waste of breath Cheesy

today its still difficult to determine what a CPU is in server software licensing. is 1 cpu a considered a core or 1 physical cpu? don't get started on logical cores lol.
337  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [G+] The really dark pools of Bitcoins, where not even block explorer can track on: August 11, 2011, 05:20:01 PM
Think you are missing the point a bit, while it is changing of private keys if the company proves 100% legit then you have the backing of that company.  Here is a feature list that I would think would ease your mind on the trust issue:

Each Bit Bill is assigned a single public and private key.
To verify the balance on the card one would only need to examine the block chain relating to that public key (correct?)
The public key is visible on the card and a QR code is with it as well for a speedy import to compatible apps.
The private key is hidden inside the card and the only way to get at it would to be destruction of the security features on the card and the card itself.  (This may not always be the case, perhaps someone comes up with a scanner that can read the key from within the card, but as of today it *should* be pretty reliable)
Once broken/tampered, even the Bit Bill company recommends you no longer accept that Bit Bill.

Assuming the company is 100% legit and the security features are at least comparable to what is out there currently in the financial world then it should be a relatively assuring and safe transfer mechanism.

ill give you an honest opinion from a guy who has made copies of USFRD for entertainment and did a good number of hours of research into counterfeiting things.

bitbill can be somewhat easily counterfeited.

if i got this right, you peel off that security hologram to reveal the private key. so all the security is gone once you are able to obtain another security hologram.

http://www.securityhologram.com/ they sell security holograms, so really, what is to stop me from making my own bitbills? i can literally buy everything i need to make them.
338  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / bitcoin security solution on: August 11, 2011, 04:49:56 PM
i propose a simple solution to bitcoin security, as far as wallets go.

it is a bitcoin device. it would be about the size of an iphone, maby a little smaller. it would have a qrcode scanner, a touch screen, infrared sender/receiver and miniusb. it would/should cost ~USD50-100.

it works by only sending signed transactions via usb or infrared.

there is also some software that should come with it, or invent some new standards.

what you do is specify public address that you want to be included in the export file.

once you export the file it gets on the device via usb. the device would be hard wired to only accept data, and never send any data out except required usb data.

the file only contains transaction data that involves a specific or set of specific addresses you own. this is only needed so the device knows how much coin it has without needing the entire blockchain.

i was thinking about it having wifi, but that didn't seem like it would be very secure.

in the ideal situation, you would have a dedicated bitcoin node that does nothing but bitcoin, and a device. you use the node to import and export signed transactions, private keys and transaction data.

Here is more stuff that would be good.

proposition to have nodes that will respond to queries about address.
these nodes could sell their services or be free, but i think if this were developed it should include the option to charge per query or per 1k queries or whatever. or per day/week/month/year. or set up for personal/business use.
you simply supply a ip or namecoin address or dns name to the software that will accept.
these nodes could also operate as supernodes, nodes that connect to hundreds, or thousands of peers.
they could also allow people to download the blockchain from them via http or offer torrent URIs
This image shows really simply how it would work.


If this were made, mobile solutions would be simple, and desktop clients could be made and set up for use the instant they were installed.(or until they got the full chain.)
desktop clients would have 2 versions: lite and full
lite includes everything but the blockchain.
full includes everything including the ability to connect to the nodes

I think this is just so much better than surrendering your coins to some 3rd party.
339  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [G+] The really dark pools of Bitcoins, where not even block explorer can track on: August 11, 2011, 03:07:20 PM
i dont think we should get used to trading private keys, its simply not secure.

for example, if i want to sell some pizzia, and i accept bit bills, i have to trust bitbills and the person that gave it to me. if i accept block chain only transactions i trust only the block chain.

another example

if i want to exchange a lot of coins not via the chain, and i trust the other person, they could make their own paper wallet and give it to me. then i only need to trust the person who made the paper wallet.

in addition you do not need to keep the physical wallet. you only need to trust its integrity until you send the coins the key claims to another address.
340  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mt. Gox acquires Bitomat.pl - consumer protection in the free market! on: August 11, 2011, 02:54:42 PM
Bitcoin bailout... interesting.  should be bullish for the bitcoin price in the short term

It's not a bailout when done with private money. It's just an acquisition between voluntary parties. Bailout is a terrible concept/term and is best reserved for the wretched government practice.

I agree.  This is a purchase of good will - not a bailout.

Mt Gox gets not just the good will from it's new Polish customers - but from the wider bitcoin community too.
It's a show of confidence and strength. Just good marketing really.


actually, eventually they will make money from this. they now have the #1 exchange + #3. i dont think it will take much more than a year for the bitomat portion of mtgox to make the money back.
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