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I'm leaving BTCJam forever, putting my money here was one of the many mistakes I made with my bitcoins that ultimately made me end up with 1/5 of the bitcoins I once had. Here is the final view of all my investments there at the moment that I'm withdrawing the rest of the bitcoin that are left in my wallet, I don't expect to recieve anything else from the people who defaulted anymore. I'm not saying that everyone is going to lose money there, this is just my personal experience using this site.
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I'm wondering if there are examples of business that use bitcoin but are not 100% bitcoin related like bitcoin stores, or people working for bitcoin, not like an exchange (that would be 100% bitcoin related). That are profitable and can make people live out of bitcoin today without getting bankrupt in the big swings. For me that would be the example of bitcoin success.
Are there any examples for taking a look? Thanks!
There are a couple of online stores set up that accept only bitcoin if that's what you mean (and some other alt coins in some instances). Here's a couple: http://coinsfortech.com/http://www.cryptosextoys.com/Those are the things I meant, thanks, I would like more examples. The coinsfortech store reminds me to the old bitcoinstore that sadly had to close.
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There are many big sites that accept bitcoin but are not related, an example being dell and dish who both accept bitcoin.
But I guess those sites accept Bitcoin as an experiment, but make their living out of fiat money. The whole point is that when I think about bitcoin, the only people I know who admit to make money out of it are gamblers and speculators. And their final goal is to use bitcoin as a temporary method to increase their fiat money. That is a symptom of failure. Small companies like shops are really skeptical and some of them declare to have lost money by accepting bitcoin, If real and honest work is being exchanged for bitcoin, for me that is a symptom of success.
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I'm wondering if there are examples of business that use bitcoin but are not 100% bitcoin related like bitcoin stores, or people working for bitcoin, not like an exchange (that would be 100% bitcoin related). That are profitable and can make people live out of bitcoin today without getting bankrupt in the big swings. For me that would be the example of bitcoin success.
Are there any examples for taking a look? Thanks!
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Ah! I had to verify in stamp today
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wat?
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Yo he estado un año en BTCJam, ingresé un BTC de prueba. Lo partí en 2 trozos, y a un prestamista cada uno. Cuando me devolvían 0.2 (por ejemplo), lo reinvertía en otro préstamo. Siempre en préstamos de gente con A o A+, votos positivos, etc...
Pues ahora mismo un 44%!!! De todos los préstamos que he hecho a lo largo del año han acabado en default (el tío al que le prestas los bitcoin simplemente desaparece). Además uno de los defaults fue con una fracción bastante grande de mi Bitcoin, con lo cual, me han birlado ya casi todo.
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My final experience in BTCJam after almost a year, I've invested in 9 loans of A or A+ borrowers.
5 repaid. 4 defaulted.
Almost all of them have a D- or E rating by now. This means a 44% of probability of your money to be gone once you invest it.
I started with 1 BTC for trying one year ago, now I have 0.1 I will not be posting any opinion or conclussion, this is just my data. Just for all you out there to make your choices.
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ASKS Price Amount Value $127.96 0.50000000 $63.98 $127.99 81.82353198 $10,472.59 $128.00 865.38759445 $110,769.61
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I've recently discovered chaos theory and have come to think it is probably relevant to most types of research although it is going largely ignored. Definitely more people should be made familiar with chaos theory and fractals. The logistic map example helped me understand what they mean by "chaos". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_mapThis R script will run the logistic function with different parameters (default A from 1 to 4 by .1) and different starting points. You can see that for A between 1 and 3 the function always converges on a certain value, then as A is made larger x will oscillate between two values, then bifurcate a second time to oscillate between 4 values, then 8, then it eventually becomes chaotic (no repeating pattern no matter how many iterations). R code:
#### x.new<-A*x.old*(1-x.old) # Logistic Function
# Settings iters<-200 # Number of iterations step<-.1 # Increase A by this step size burn.in.steps<-150 # Throw Away first n steps when plotting A vs x.new sleep.time<-.0000001 # Control speed (in seconds)
x.old.init<-seq(0.1,.9,by=.9) # Initial x values A.max<-4 # Max A value A<- 1 # Initial value for A parameter
#Initialize Variables and Chart x.old<-x.old.init[1] # Set initial x value to first value determined above out=cbind(A,x.old.init[1],x.old) # Initialize output matrix
dev.new(); plot(0,0,type="n", ylim=c(0,1), xlim=c(1,iters))
#Run function for increasing A values until equal to A max while(A<=A.max){ # Set initial x value to next one in vector determined above for(j in x.old.init){ x.old<-j # Run for number of iterations set by iters for(i in 1:iters){ x.new<-A*x.old*(1-x.old) # Logistic Function (update x.new) out<-rbind(out,cbind(A,j,x.new)) # Update output # Plot current run plot(c(j,out[which(out[,1]==A & out[,2]==j),3]), type="n", lwd=2, col="White", ylim=c(0,1), xlim=c(0,iters), pch=16, xlab="Iteration", ylab="X.new", main=c("X.new = A*X.old*( 1 - X.old )", paste("A=",A, " X.initial=",j), paste("X.new=", round(x.new,3)))) for(k in x.old.init){ color<-rainbow(length(x.old.init))[which(x.old.init==k)] points(c(j,out[which(out[,1]==A & out[,2]==k),3]), type="b", lwd=2, col=color, ylim=c(0,1), xlim=c(0,iters), pch=16, xlab="Iteration", ylab="X.new", main=c("X.new = A*X.old*( 1 - X.old )", paste("A=",A, " X.initial=",j), paste("X.new=", round(x.new,3)))) } ## x.old<-x.new # x.old becomes x.new } Sys.sleep(sleep.time) } A<-round(A+step,2) # update A parameter }
#Plot "A" parameter vs Results dev.new() plot(out[,1],out[,3], type="n", ylab="X.new", xlab="A", main="X.new = X.old*( 1 - X.old )" ) for(i in 1:length(unique(out[,1]))){ points(out[which(out[,1]==unique(out[,1])[i])[-(1:burn.in.steps)],1], out[which(out[,1]==unique(out[,1])[i])[-(1:burn.in.steps)],3]) }
The lorenz strange attractor is also pretty cool to mess around with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_systemThis script will let you watch the system evolve over time from 3 different starting points. Even a tiny difference in initial state means you will not know what state the system will be in at any given point, but regardless of initial state you can know a probability distribution. You can also rotate the image as it runs and add stochastic noise to see what happens. R code: ############################ ##LORENZ strange attractor## ############################ #Modified From: #http://fractalswithr.blogspot.com/2007/04/lorenz-attractor.html
# install.packages("rgl") # Install if needed. library(rgl)
#####Settings add.noise=F #Gaussian +/- noise.sd noise.sd=.01 live.plot=T ##
####Parameters a=10; r=28; b=8/3; dt=0.01
n=5000 #Iterations ##
####Initial Conditions Xa=0.01; Ya=0.01; Za=0.01 #Initial Condition Blue Xb=0.01+.0001; Yb=0.01; Zb=0.01 #Initial Condition Red (Slight Difference) Xc=20; Yc=20; Zc=.01 #Initial Condition Black (Large Difference) ##
####Misc XYZa=array(0,dim=c(n,3)) XYZb=array(0,dim=c(n,3)) XYZc=array(0,dim=c(n,3))
par3d(font=2, family="serif", bg3d(color=c("darkslategray3","Black"), fogtype="exp2", sphere=TRUE, back="fill") ) ##
####Run for(i in 1:n) { X1a=Xa; Y1a=Ya; Z1a=Za
Xa=X1a+(-a*X1a+a*Y1a)*dt Ya=Y1a+(-X1a*Z1a+r*X1a-Y1a)*dt Za=Z1a+(X1a*Y1a-b*Z1a)*dt
X1b=Xb; Y1b=Yb; Z1b=Zb
Xb=X1b+(-a*X1b+a*Y1b)*dt Yb=Y1b+(-X1b*Z1b+r*X1b-Y1b)*dt Zb=Z1b+(X1b*Y1b-b*Z1b)*dt
X1c=Xc; Y1c=Yc; Z1c=Zc
Xc=X1c+(-a*X1c+a*Y1c)*dt Yc=Y1c+(-X1c*Z1c+r*X1c-Y1c)*dt Zc=Z1c+(X1c*Y1c-b*Z1c)*dt
if(add.noise==T){ Xa<-rnorm(1,Xa,noise.sd) Xb<-rnorm(1,Xb,noise.sd) Xc<-rnorm(1,Xc,noise.sd)
Ya<-rnorm(1,Ya,noise.sd) Yb<-rnorm(1,Yb,noise.sd) Yc<-rnorm(1,Yc,noise.sd)
Za<-rnorm(1,Za,noise.sd) Zb<-rnorm(1,Zb,noise.sd) Zc<-rnorm(1,Zc,noise.sd) }
XYZa[i,]=c(Xa,Ya,Za) XYZb[i,]=c(Xb,Yb,Zb) XYZc[i,]=c(Xc,Yc,Zc)
if(live.plot==T){ points3d(XYZa[i,1],XYZa[i,2],XYZa[i,3], col="Blue", alpha=.7, add=T) points3d(XYZb[i,1],XYZb[i,2],XYZb[i,3], col="Red", alpha=.7, add=T) points3d(XYZc[i,1],XYZc[i,2],XYZc[i,3], col="Black", alpha=.7, add=T)
points3d(XYZa[i,1],XYZa[i,2],XYZa[i,3], col="Blue", alpha=1, size=10, add=T) points3d(XYZb[i,1],XYZb[i,2],XYZb[i,3], col="Red", alpha=1, size=10, add=T) points3d(XYZc[i,1],XYZc[i,2],XYZc[i,3], col="Black", alpha=1, size=10, add=T)
rgl.pop() rgl.pop() rgl.pop() }
} ##
if(!live.plot==T){ points3d(XYZa[,1],XYZa[,2],XYZa[,3], col="Blue", alpha=.5, add=T) points3d(XYZb[,1],XYZb[,2],XYZb[,3], col="Red", alpha=.5, add=T) points3d(XYZc[,1],XYZc[,2],XYZc[,3], col="Black", alpha=.5, add=T) }
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Just try it, it's not that easy.
If buy 100btc at bitstamp now for $13289 I could sell them at Mtgox for $13600, now i gotta move that money over to Bitstamp. Probably looking at 4-5 days depending. So your $13k can make you $300 every week and you hope that receiving and sending all this fiat doesn't draw unwanted attention.
What about using Bitinstant to transfer from Bitstamp to Gox? I tried this once, it took more than a week
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Nothing is happening
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3rd post about it...please read the forum they are dealing with it
Where are those posts? Where is suitable place for posting such things? +1 Sorry
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7 Days and counting...
Do you have any order info? Have you logged your issue thru our main support channel? bitinstant.com/contact ? Sure, PM first and then bitnstant/contact. OrderID: fa26d68d-d4e1-46d1-a045-e6fa94d54ec0 EventID: 524d600f-4579-45a4-9110-881385c59015 QuoteID: 6c3fe7df-6741-4b64-afde-95de18f8209e
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