Just so you know, my day1 order status changed from "in progress" to "shipped" even though it's a local pickup and I didn't received any email informing me that my units were ready for pickup. My heart skipped a beat when I saw it. Turns out that misleading "shipped" status only means they are out of the factory and I should expect to pick them up soon.

It's not exactly wishful thinking or day dreaming since Sam said on the launch video "shipping today", maybe it's naive to believe him but people are expecting their units today based on what he explicitly said.

BTW I hope they hire someone with more packing skills than the guy on oramas video, otherwise we are screwed  

Just received this email response when I asked about my day 1 order (currently In progress) with local pickup:

Hi,
 
We will contact you per email as soon as your order is ready with the details for pickup.
 
Should you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.
 
Thanks
Emilia
 
Med vänlig hälsning  |  Best regards
Emilia Cole  

So I guess we will have to relax and keep an eye on our email inbox.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/09/30/bitcoin-exchange-tradehill-will-now-auction-bitcoin-mining-equipment/

AVALON seems to be releasing GEN2 (add that to hashfast, ActiveMining, Bitmine.ch, Cointerra etc...) do you think my % increase in my calculations was optimistic?

These are my numbers for a Jupiter assuming 550GH, no pool fees and 100% uptime. Also original investment of 66BTC PSU+VAT+Shipping (might be less for some), for the next 13 difficulty adjustments (~6 months), assuming you start hashing in 2 days.
In my Spanish excel "," equals "." and dates are in this format "day/month/year"
The % increase per difficulty adjustments I obviously pulled out of my ass, but I think they are consistent with the "several thousand" machines that KNC claim to have already sold, the 500TH friedcat announced for October and bitfurys. I think Hashrate will climb fast to around 3PH and then % increases will slow down, notice how by the beginning of next year we will be aroud 7PH which I think is very plausible.
The break even line is original investment+operating costs.

It looks tight.

A week or two from now still falls in the -before 15th of October- delivery time frame so depending on your order number it's not necessarily a delay.
Do you have a day1 or day2 order? if not, when did you order?

I'm a day1 customer and I was able to change from shipping to local pickup, I requested it on Monday (23rd).

Wrong. Effective days of production begin only AFTER receiving the chips!, they have posted a video of a circuit board without chips because they obviously don't have them yet, rest assured the moment they have them in Sweden you'll see pics/videos.

So, 6 days to go (weekend in between) ~150mill difficulty in less than 2 days and not single chip tested on a real unit, hell not even a pic of a packaged chip and at least 890 orders (day1+day2 many of several units) to fulfill... Saying this is tight is a huge understament.

I'm a day 1 customer and I do have respect for them, but in my book in terms of schedule this isn't overdelivering by any means. Even if they are able to give tracking numbers by next monday (which is what I think will happen so they can claim the kept their promise).

139 for both, the country is Spain. Order number 15X. Paid the 4th of June.

Pues eso, estoy pensándome vender una o las dos unidades, he pagado cerga de 68BTC por cada una con envío a España. También aceptaría el equivalente en euros. Dado que aún estoy a tiempo de pedir un refund por la totalidad de lo que pagué, no voy a aceptar ofertas menores a esa cantidad obviamente.

Ambas unidades son DAY 1 lo que significa que son de las primeras en salir de la linea de producción y KNC se ha comprometido a que lleguen en septiembre, probablemente la semana que viene.

La potencia está estimada en 500GH por unidad, Sam el CEO de KNC dijo en su última actualización que la potencia se esperaba que fuera mayor de los 400GH a los que se comprometen y uno de sus ingenieros en sus foros ha mencionado 500GH, todo ello con un consumo menor a 850W que es la potencia de la fuente que requiere cada unidad.

Como digo se envía desde España en 24h desde la recepción, también hay posibilidad de recogida en mano en Madrid.

Me reservo el derecho de anular la venta si no veo una oferta interesante y en cualquier caso la retiraré el próximo domingo.

I'm considering selling my two units. I paid with Swedish VAT and shipping around 139BTC, so obviously I won't be interested in offers bellow that price point since I can just ask knc for a full refund.

This is a DAY 1 order, meaning they will be shipped the very first day of production, before the end of September (probably next week) chips are being packaged right now.

The units are expected to run faster than 400GH by a "significant margin" as mentioned by Sam, one of their engineers mentioned 500GH in their forums. And they need a 850W PSU each.

The units will ship to my country (EU) but I can arrange for local pickup in Sweden so you can pick them up there or I could try to change the shipping address (although I don't think they allow to change it to a different country/name) I also can probably arrange for one Swedish friend to pick them up in Sweden and ship them from there the same day (you will have to pay shipping costs obviously).

Please place your bids in this thread, I reserve the right to close the auction if I don't see any bid that I consider interesting. This auction ends Sunday 22nd of september.

I accept bids for only one of the units.

New "update" from Sam on the KnC forums. Notice how he mentions components but not chip production status


Hi guys,

We are still on track, The millions of individual components needed to produce our miners are all arriving at the factory as schedualed and as of right now we do not know of anything that will cause a delay.

Sam

WTF has post count to do with the validity of arguments?
The guy was expressing his concerns based on reasonable assumptions, he wasn't trolling. You may or may not agree with him but I don't see what's the problem with his post and why his post count is important.

I'm not personally as pessimistic, although to be honest I thought that by this time of the month we should have more info regarding chips.

So the idea here is that a in hand dead-on-arrival product that will hardly break even is better than a preorder?
Not hating, just curious about the business model...

ya están agotados. En cualquier caso no podían hacer tapeout hasta haberlos vendido todos y estamos casi en septiembre, en mi opinión van a llegar muy tarde.

Siento ser yo quien te de las malas noticias a ti y a tu familiar, pero lo de la luz a coste 0 se os acaba, en breve va a salir más caro las placas que pagar la electricidad a la red.

Sí, sé que suena de coña pero el gobierno va cobrar por el sol en breve; lo llaman "peaje de autoconsumo" y básicamente es un impuesto revolucionario que se han sacado de la manga que va a obligar a pagar a la gente que genere su propia electricidad para que no sea rentable. Si no pagas por tus placas ese peaje todos los meses tu instalación es considerada pirata y te puede caer una multa del copón.

[...]el peaje de respaldo que se pagará por generar energía en un domicilio será un 27% más alto que si se opta por el consumo convencional y se abona el peaje por el uso tradicional de la red.

http://sociedad.elpais.com/sociedad/2013/07/19/actualidad/1374237478_141414.html

Indignante es poco.

There's only one chip. That chip is named the "5Ghash" chip, but that's just a name, the performance of the chip is 2.7Ghashes. The name is misleading probably because that's the performance they were expecting when designing the chips but 2.7GH is the maximum they are able to get from them IRL.