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501  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 03:41:44 PM
Replacing witnesses is a social question, its not inbuilt into the protocol to select/pick witnesses, they have to be picked by the users of the system, or if each user doesnt care, then the default hub byteball.org or other hubs can do the choice on behalf of the user.

Its really a design inspired by biology, organic user action is required.

So far only the XSS-finder portabelle has a witness running and it looks like some have selected to use it. Exactly as envisioned.


I am a volunteer to set up and run a witness. Would you replace one of your witnesses by mine in the default list at least until we get some well reputed "captain of industry" to replace me ?

That means : are you socialy ready to start release hands on witnesses ?
502  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 03:28:02 PM
Can someone please point me on how-to run a byteball explorer ?

Already downloaded  byteball-explorer from github and explorer.js is well running in the background.

Need now an index.xxx to fire up the explorer website in my ngnix virtual host.

Thanks
503  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 02:04:10 PM
A hub can do that, but if a unit (transaction) has more than 1 mutation its invalid. Only when 1 witness is replaced by others as well, when the new witness has posted enough stamps, the "stability point" can be moved forward, and then the next witness replaced.

In other words, if you replace one witness with yourself and I replace another witness with myself we'll split the network into two halves. There will be 50% of users behind your choice and 50% of users behind my choice. And of course, I will never accept you as a witness and you will never accept me. Looks like the consensus will diverge for indefinite period of time in this scenario.

• the one allowed mutation is sufficiently small compared with the 11 unchanged witnesses. In case a user thinks that any of the witnesses has lost his credibility, or there are just better candidates, the user can replace the witness with a new witness in his list, bearing in mind that his witness list may not differ from that of other units by more than one position. This means that any changes can happen only gradually, and a general consensus is required for a change bigger than one position.

Looks like Come-from-Beyond is right (?)

So end users should not be allowed to change more than 1 witness on the default list or they would be separated from the rest of the network. Obviously this sound too like a problem. Can we have some clarification here ?

504  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 05:38:56 AM

The witness-list can be pulled from any hub, its a centralization/convenience exactly if you as user dont want to care but trust a hub-owner to keep up to date and do the choices for you. If you do want power and control you still have it though.


What if a malicious hub owner pushes its own list of Witnesses ? Isn't it a security threat ?

Still not clear to me the "witness mecanism" of the network. Maybe I have to go seriously to the white paper... (RTFM)
505  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 08, 2017, 01:17:30 PM
I love thisproject however I have a problem with the witnesses choose mecanism, aka "12 catpains of industry" or well reputed equivalent.

First (and biggest one) : who is to coopte such "captains". In a supposed decentralysed network it means a central authority somewhere or at least a consensus voting system.
Second : what if no such "captain of industry" joins in? Should we bless project founders for eternity ? (we all die some day).
Three : 12 is a too limited number. This is intentionaly set so that we can humanely follow the witnesses quality. But I do not want to ask periodicaly myself whereas witnesses are good quality or not. I just want to feel confident with the network any time.

I would suggest the following :
- no more limited witnesses number
- all wallets could optionnaly run as witnesses
- if a end-user wishes to act as a witness is has to back some "good" amount of GBYTE (prevent spam and initial amount  for serial post).
- each time a witness serial post he is awarded  more than its post cost (aka end users are prone to become witnesses for profit)
- wallets choose their witnesses in a hard-coded random fashion among all witnesses pool.

First of all, I remind you that following the witness lists of "captains of industry" is just a suggestion how witness lists could be updated, it is not a protocol-level thing.

That said, I don't think the question of captains of industry is that hard.  If you ask me about captains of auto industry today, I would name GM, Ford, Toyota, Renault, Michelin, and a few others.  In Bitcoin industry today: AlphaBay, Coinbase, Localbitcoins, Overstock, Polo, and a few others.

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But I do not want to ask periodicaly myself whereas witnesses are good quality or not.
You don't have to.  If you don't want to or feel unable to make decisions yourself in this particular area, you can always follow the opinion of someone you trust.

To clarify, there is no such thing as "wish to act as a witness", you can only "wish to be named as a witness".  Anyone can be named a witness by anyone.

The above was 100% human, 0% technical.  Regarding suggested protocol changes, all such changes should be carefully analyzed with respect to potential consequences, in particular whether they could lead to consensus failures such as forks and deadlocks.

I think attracting industries leader is the gambit. But anyway your work is awesome. It is a wonderfull project I do beleive in. Sure Polo and others will beleive in too (where you Satochi Nakamoto in a previous life ?).

Back to the witnesses and human behavior. I suppose that most of the humans are as lazy as I am and will just let their wallet download the Witnesses list from the hub which is in your hands. This can be called de facto centralization.

For the future it would be nice to have some community place (on https://byteball.org/ or part of the wallet ?) where one (industry leader or average well reputed guy) could apply to be "named as a witness" and end user would vote for or against.

For all of us guys : here is the link to ask Polo to add GBYTE

506  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 08, 2017, 09:06:03 AM
I love thisproject however I have a problem with the witnesses choose mecanism, aka "12 catpains of industry" or well reputed equivalent.

First (and biggest one) : who is to coopte such "captains". In a supposed decentralysed network it means a central authority somewhere or at least a consensus voting system.
Second : what if no such "captain of industry" joins in? Should we bless project founders for eternity ? (we all die some day).
Three : 12 is a too limited number. This is intentionaly set so that we can humanely follow the witnesses quality. But I do not want to ask periodicaly myself whereas witnesses are good quality or not. I just want to feel confident with the network any time.

I would suggest the following :
- no more limited witnesses number
- all wallets could optionnaly run as witnesses
- if a end-user wishes to act as a witness is has to back some "good" amount of GBYTE (prevent spam and initial amount  for serial post).
- each time a witness serial post he is awarded  more than its post cost (aka end users are prone to become witnesses for profit)
- wallets choose their witnesses in a hard-coded random fashion among all witnesses pool.
507  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 08, 2017, 06:05:31 AM


If you just want to help out the network running a byteball-hub or relay is enough.



I have set up and now operating a new relay on a dedicated box with 300Mbps unmetered bandwidth.
Address: wss://byteball.fr/bb
Location: France

I have more than 15 years experience with Linux sysadmin. I can set up a witness if the the community asks.
508  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 07, 2017, 05:20:04 AM
tonych should update the first post of this thread with new exchanges.
509  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 06, 2017, 01:26:52 PM
Hi,

Love the project, however any command line version for unix systems ?

$ ../nwjs-v0.14.7-linux-x64/nw .
[23625:23625:0406/110342:ERROR:browser_main_loop.cc(271)] Gtk: cannot open display:

Thanks


There is a headless-wallet which you can use as "command-line" interface, but if you only like to start the GUI Wallet from command line, the binary is called Byteball, so unzip it then ./Byteball. Working with the headless-wallet is tedious and not like a normal command-line interface.

The above error "cannot open display" is due to running it without Xorg server, or without X11 forwarding with ssh, or as another user which doesnt have ~/.Xauthority and DISPLAY env set.

Hi SatoNatomato,

Thank you for your answer.

I would like to set up a node on a distant serveur (with no X11 only root ssh) to operate as a witness. What should I run actually ?

Headless Byteball - headless wallet, primarily for server side use.
Byteball Relay - relay node for Byteball network. It doesn't hold any private keys.
Byteball Hub - hub for Byteball network. Includes the relay, plus can store and forward end-to-end encrypted messages among devices on the Byteball network.

Thank you
510  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 06, 2017, 09:15:13 AM
Hi,

Love the project, however any command line version for unix systems ?

$ ../nwjs-v0.14.7-linux-x64/nw .
[23625:23625:0406/110342:ERROR:browser_main_loop.cc(271)] Gtk: cannot open display:

Thanks

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