Pozdravljen!
Najprej moraš vedeti, da Bitstamp ni denarnica za kriptovalute ampak menjalnica. To pomeni da so tvoji npr. Bitcoini v lasti Bitstampa (oni imajo privatni ključ), in če stran napadejo in okradejo bodo vzeli točno ta tvoj denar, in ne denar Bitstampa. Torej previdno s tem!
Problem PC-ja je, ker ti lahko nekdo vdre nanj. In če lahko upravlja s tvojim računalnikom lahko tudi s tvojo denarnico (seveda imaš še razne passworde, ki preprečujejo pošiljanje iz te denarnice). Torej večje vsote je najbolje hraniti offline- hardwallet ali paper wallet.
Glede telefona si pa predstavljaj podobno kot danes, v denarnici v žepu nikoli nimaš vseh evrov, ki jih imaš v lasti. Večje vsote so shranjene na ''varnem''.

O kripto valutah boš največ zvedel, če boš sam brskal po internetu, žal je večinoma strani v angleščini, ampak zato pa je Google translate . Veliko je že posnetkov na youtube, kjer ti na enostaven način razložijo praktično vse.
https://bitcoin.org/sl/ - slovenska stran
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jlop4/rbitcoin_faq_newcomers_please_read/?st=j4l70gsb&sh=dad80699 - članek na forumu Reddit, če boš pozorno prebral in pogledal videe v tem postu, boš razumel vse osnove Bitcoina oz. Blockchaina

Good post OP.
Maybe this pump and dump isn't really good, but it can attract new people to blockchain technologies. And after that people realise what is behind cryptos. The most important thing is that pumped coin has good background (team, blockchain...).

Anyone has any experience in this Pumper Sharks Club, is it legit and working properly?

Yes he is really Satoshi Nakamoto it is seen very good from the picture it is really him. No doubt, Satoshi 100%.  

So every wallet has one private key. You can generate many (infinite?) addresses from it, right? And this are called public keys. So when you want to receive BTC you give public key to person who will pay you. He get this address and BTC is sent to you.
Now i have some questions, if someone could explain me:
1. Who is actually getting BTC? Public address or private key?
I assume you get it on public key, but you can manipulate that asset only if you have private key of that public key. Is this right? And if yes, could you send BTC between public keys generated from same private key?
2. Are only public keys used in Blockchain to record transactions?
3. You can't really check someones full wallet if he is using more public keys? You only know how much BTC is on one public key not whole private key/wallet?

Finnaly some concrete information about Nova Crystalis on this forum. (Didn't have time to watch your announcement on YT.)
Whole idea sound very interesting and I'm curious how it will work.


You would be able to sell those things? Someone could just buy/steal that thing and sell it forward. Or is this prevented by any system?

My answer:
I think it is better for other things too. Future: You are going home from work, you see you need to refill your gas. Your phone runs out of battery and you are broke in that moment. What would you do?
I will probably try it, but with fever BTC.
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I don't think it would betray the real essence of digital coin.
Yes I know it would be complicated, but should we avoid complicated things, can't it become something good although it is complicated?
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My answer:
Yes, hardware wallets can be really useful. But first Bitcoin need to change/improve some things.
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My answer:
As I mention it few times, yes I know it is centralized. But imagine if country would be doing this would they get any benefit from it? If they would make paper money which would be backed up by Bitcoin? For every 1000 Satoshis there would be private key directly linked with that papper and it would have 1000 Satoshis on it.
+ For everyone, you still know how many centralized system we got? And you trust them without even noticing anything? All products today all more or less centralized, you have to trust the one who is making that product: food, money, water, soap, computers... Now after bitcoin you would trust even 1 institution on whole world?
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My answer:
If you would prefer you could only use digital form of BTC. You could store big amounts in digital form and use physical form of them only for small purchase.
Storing small amounts? You could get paper note with 10 Satioshis on it.
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My answer:
As I explained in one of my posts before, I think this is really big security problem (having private key on physical form). So It doesn't have to be a big part of whole bitcoin system only 1% could be in physical form. And this paper notes (representative money) could be product locally.

Upam da je/sta dobro informirana glede stabilnosti cene Bitcoina, sploh če misli da BTC nebi direktno menjal v evre. Da se ne bo kaj takega naredilo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1986660.msg19784451#msg19784451

I think this is not an example which we could learn a lot from. It's not like everyone should drop out of high school and they will become a millionaire. And this is one case of success I imagine how many failures there was. Probably a lot of ''kids'' wanted to earn a lot with cryptos but they failed.

Maybe they have right information about bitcoin. And they know that they won't be able to play with money anymore, so maybe that is the reason why thay don't like it.

Transations would be on blockchain too, majority of them. What you are saying is like hardwallet with 100 Bitcoins is worth nothing. If I buy that exact hardwallet.
You don't think this could work in any case?

First of all, let me explain why I am so enthusiastic about physical form. If tomorrow FIAT bubble would burst people wouldn't swap to crypto currencies. WHY? Because you are paying fees which are too high and you can't buy bread with this everyday, because everything is digital (elderly people just can't use this, people with no computer, phone can't use it....). So If we want to make Bitcoin useful for everyday life we need to make things much better and practical. So don't get me wrong I think that whole Bitcoin/blockchain technology is amazing.

I know physical coins are already existing! But they are far from what I had in mind. Some of them are just to expensive for manufacturing. And no one hasn't explain how their security system is working (I will research when i'll have time).

And I'm not saying we should only switch to physical form, we have digital and paper money in FIAT too. But we would take reverse path going from digital to paper form. Paper money is actually very useful, easy to handle, doesn't need internet, doesn't need electricity, works every time. And again comparing it to bitcoin there are no fees for transaction whatsoever and you don't wait even a second to get transaction confirmed. (yes, BTC will get better with this, yes there are other cryptos i know this)

As I have seen till now most of BTC community is totally against physical form of BTC and immediately comparing it to FIAT system.
First of all paper money is not the same as FIAT. Banks/government can make money out of thin air either it is in paper form or digital form. No one can make bitcoins! So there is a big difference and learn it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money

Till now i have came up with two different forms:
1. Physical coins as we know it today you get public and private key on same coin. The problem with this is security: How can we know that previous user didn't scam us or any user before him? This kind of money would be possible if we would came up with genius idea how to make really secure coin. (As described in first post)

2. Representative money. ''Representative money is any medium of exchange that represents something of value, but has little or no value of its own. Unlike fiat money (which may or may not have anything of value backing it), to be a genuine representative money, there must always be something valuable supporting the face value represented.'' source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_money.

So we make similar money as today FIAT (few security systems which prevent counterfeiting), it would have it's serial number so the institution making this money can track the paper notes and verify their credibility. What would be different is that you would actually have public key of Bitcoin address on it. On this Bitcoin address there would be exact amount of BTC as paper note is representing. Anyone could check this if he has electricity and internet. So actually every time you would buy something with that paper note shop/seller could verify that there is really BTC backing it up.
So here comes the problem! Centralization! Private key would be held by institution issuing this paper notes. So you actually don't own BTC as much as you can. This would be a big downside, but I don't see it as such a big problem. One big advantage is that you only need to trust issuer of the money, not everyone who were using it before you (as in case of physical bitcoin with private key included). Another advantage could be recovering of lost money so in case you would lost paper note you could get BTC back. But I don't know the solution how this would work, because anyone could just come to issuer and say he lost money... Please give some ideas. (maybe another blockchain?)
There can be many issuer of this paper notes and if someone scam you can get another one who doesn't. This would be sorted naturally.

Anytime you would want to convert your paper notes into digital form, you can sell that paper back to issuer and he can send you same amount on your wallet address. Or you could just sell it to anyone willing to buy.

Issuer would make money with selling BTC for a bit higher price then it is at the moment of buying paper notes. He could use minimal or even zero fees (no need to hurry) to make deposit on that address which would then be represented by paper note.

So from now on please don't just tell this is stupid idea in general, give some solid explanation why it is so bad or try to be positive and find solutions for problems which occurs.

The prices of all cryptocurrencies are falling in theese days, it seems that all new enthusiast from last growth of BTC prices are selling their crypto. About BCY  I think it is still pretty normal price so no need to worry.

I had same problem and I couldn't open Book of orbs. So probably there is the problem in Book of orbs, but I don't have any further information.

I agree. If you wanted to get FIAT fast you should have come up with better system. I believe there are applications which transfer BTC-dollars fast enough, so you don't lose FIAT. And you should probably raise price for users paying with BTC by 3-5%, and explain this is due to volatility of price.

Hm... it would be fun if in a few years you would write that you lost hundreds or possibly thousands of dollars because you removed BTC acceptance. You know that Bitcoin could be worth a lot more in future?

You can store bitcoins offline, on hardwallets, paper wallets or physical form. But for transaction you need internet. If you want that transaction is recorded on blockchain.

If someone earns 100$ pre month every time he transfer Bitcoin from one address to another he loses one day of work due to high transaction fees. Exactly what OP was trying to say. 

Yea this is a problem, could there be possible that you would actually connect paper note to public key. So you could check it anytime, and see that there is really BTC backing it up. But access to private key would only be possible if you would go to some central institution and swap your paper note for BTC.
I think this bitcoin check is far to fragile and exploitable. I doubt it would work on a large scale. You actually give him private key which is not very secure for me.


There must be a system which would provide us physical Bitcoin or some kind of paper notes in which you are not relying on centralize institution.

LOL, about the fees, did you even read what i wrote? I know fees are far from really high. But would you buy 0,2$ chewing gum with BTC? You would pay 2-3$ more. You pay same if you are sending BTC across the whole globe or if you go to shop across the road. This is problem which is making BTC impractical for everyday use. And imagine if everyone would use Bitcoin and every transaction would be on blockchain, it would make fees even bigger.

OK, so you went hiking to a remote place where there is no internet connection, no signal on phone... You only have BTC- in an online wallet. You come to shop where you want to buy water but you can't because there is no internet connection. So bitcoin is useless in this case no matter how stupid it sound that not everyone has internet connection. You can't buy water/food/snack... I would say to myself this bitcoin is shit, I can have 1 mil worth of BTC but i can't buy anything with it unless there is internet.
I am talking about global usage of Bitcoin, it just can't be used by anyone if we don't have some kind of physical bitcoin.

I think this is moving forward for Bitcoin, if there would be good/trusted offline way of exchanging BTC it would be more suitable to become number 1 currency in the world.

I agree with you, digital currency has its downsides especially until not every human on earth is connected to internet and has computer.
This idea with paper currency backed by Bitcoin is probably best solution. It would overcome many problems and people would probably get used to it pretty fast. But are there any new problems that would appear with this solution?

I am exploring blockhain technologies for about 3 months now. So there are a lot of things I don't understand very good yet. These are all my opinions and solutions for problems I present might have been found already.

As I have seen these past months blockhain technology shows huge potential but there are still a lot of improvements needed in this technology.

One of the problems is network fees. All or at least majority of videos/presentations of Bitcoin are offering us zero or very low fees. As the Bitcoins price and number of transactions raised significantly these fees became pretty high.1 They are not like impossible high so the Bitcoin isn't affected by this too much. And for big transactions these fees are still very small. Let's say there is 3$ fee worth of BTC, if you are sending 1 BTC the fee is still nothing -> less then 0,15% (BTC price = 2700$). As I have seen there are some ideas of solving these high fees 2 but these solutions doesn't seem to satisfy whole community so some problems with this may occur.

I see two major problems of ''high'' fees.
1. It is not good for advertisement of Bitcoin and what happens is a big doubt of new users and users which operate with low amounts of bitcoins.
2. Second problem is using bitcoins for everyday use. You just can't buy 2$ thing in shop and pay 5$ for it (2$+3$ fee).
Because these two reasons I think bitcoin is far from currency which we could use for everyday and would suit everyone, from poor regions to most developed countries.

So to get to the topic:
Physical bitcoin.
Physical bitcoin would completely solve this fee problem, as you don't transfer bitcoins/satoshis from one address to another, but instead you transfer the ownership of this address from one person to another. This would increase bitcoins usage a lot, at least I think so.
Physical bitcoin should contain public key and private key. Public key must be there so you can verify balance on this coin. Private key must be hidden and you could only see public key once - and with you seeing private key, coin would become worthless. So when someone ''opens'' (check private key) coin you should clearly see it is worthless, it must be like broken or something. 3
If we get safe and practical physical bitcoins this solves few problems. I will present some advantages and disadvantages of using physical bitcoin.

Disadvantages:
1. Safety - I have come across some ''stickers'' which are considered safe. It is possible to check if someone tried to use private key 4. It bothers me what happens if someone peel of the sticker and save private key, then he apply new sticker which looks exactly the same on the outside. So the coin have completely same look on the outside. He can sell/ pass it over and he has private key. I haven't researched a lot about this, so please tell me more about this if you know
2. Centralisation - there must be complete trust to manufacturer of the physical bitcoins. He can save private keys, make ''empty'' coins and probably other things he could do to scam you.
3. Bitcoin price - You have let's say physical bitcoin worth 0,01BTC. In the moment you spend it you must check it's price, this means there must be internet connection at the spot you are spending this bitcoin. This is not really big problem nowadays in my opinion, but it is a problem. Actually only the person who is accepting this coin must know the price of bitcoin.
4. Return of change - You buy stuff worth 15$ and your physical bitcoin is worth 23,52$, so how can we make this work? Today there is still big dominance by FIAT currencies. So they can't just be canceled today. And I think we could use them very good in solving problem of returning the change. You would just simply return him FIAT currency. It would be also possible to return physical bitcoin + FIAT money. You buy thing for 15$, pay it with 23,52$ worth of BTC they can return you 8,52$ or you get back 6,52 worth of BTC and 2$.
5. Legal problems - If people would start using bitcoins a lot more, governments/banks would definitely interfere in it with some regulations, prohibitions etc. I think good concept of physical bitcoin would raise it's use a lot. So we can only imagine what would/will happen.
6. Hand to hand - You can't send physical bitcoin over the internet. The people involved in transaction must be at the same place. Of course this is not really a problem, as you can just get private key and send BTC to your digital wallet.

Advantages:
1. No fees - Only fee it would be paid would be in the process of making physical bitcoin and when you would send BTC from the physical bitcoin. And both of these fees can be at minimum, because there is no need to hurry. When you are spending physical bitcoin there is no fee required. The only fee could be from the person who receive bitcoins as payments. 5
2. Simplicity - It would finally become simple for old grandpa or grandma to use Bitcoin. No wallet, no computer, no explaining, no electricity...
3. No need to understand everything - We don't understand all the things we use everyday (how computers work, how internet works, how cars work...) but we still use them with no concerns. So it should become same with Bitcoin, we just need to make thing so simple that anyone can use without understanding it. And physical bitcoin is a big step towards this goal.
4. Good advertisement - If anyone can use BTC as payment method with ease it is very good for Bitcoin.
5. Interest - You can start to explain about Bitcoin, blockchain with something to show. Now only people who can use computer are able to operate with bitcoins. If you have something to hold anyone can start from there. This would in my opinion raise interest in blockchain technology a lot.
6. Secure - If coins would be safe (disadvantage n.1) this would be really safe currency to use. It would actually be backed with blockchain technology which we know is impossible to break, for now.

So what are your thought about physical bitcoin? Is this the future of Bitcoin?

1 Can someone post link where you could see average fees in BTC per byte over the time.
2 I don't understand technology behind this solutions yet, so I can't comment on that and predict it's effectiveness.
3 This is the idea I have about physical bitcoins, please correct me if I am wrong.
4 Is this information correct?
5 The person receiving coins can set fee. Example: Paying with bitcoins increase price for 3%. This fees are mostly set because of volatility of bitcoin, which should decrease over time so these fees will get smaller and smaller, until 0.

Please correct me, add disadvantages/advantages, answer, explain...

P.S. I don't want worthless spam in this topic. So I will delete posts which won't be constructive and make topic hard to read. This first post will probably get edited!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1907888.msg19605010#msg19605010 , 27th, in four days

1. I once read that most of the money games like this earns comes from ''whales'' (players which spends a lot). Example: Let's say we have a group of 100 people, 95 people won't spend nothing, 4 will spend 10 BCY and that one ''whale'' will spend 1000 BCY. So total 1040 BCY and a big majority comes from one player. More players there are, bigger the chance of ''whale''.

2. We are still with that ''whale''. He downloads the game, find games interesting and want to buy cards. If he isn't really interested in cryptocurrenicies he will take the shortest and easiest way to get to cards: buy BTC, buy BCY with BTC and he will be ready to buy any card in Book of orbs. So he wanted cards in the first place, but he needed BCY to get them, so there is interest for BCY.

3. OK, you can buy with other currenices. I haven't seen this site you posted till today. But still if player of SoG isn't very interested in all this stuff he will just want to buy cards in BoO with minimum work.
 
4. I imagine things like this: There is a shop (BoO) which has only one currency as a payment method (BCY). They are selling products (cards) which you can use for having fun (SoG + some other games). This I think it is a good base for currency and there is some actual need for it. Although you are ''limited'' with what shop offer (is this what you thought?) it is still good thing in my opinion.
You can buy same products on street or elsewhere (http://tokenrank.tokenly.com/ and swapbot(?) and others) for other currencies. But still many people will prefer to go to official shop.

So are the APP stores the only reason why there are two seperated apps (BoO and SoG)? I thought it made it easier to integrate cards for other games if there is a different app for cards and games. (a person may want to buy only card for some other game then SoG).

5. Nothing to ask/add.

I may be missing some crucial information which would make my statements stupid, so please correct me.