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[GREEDYJOHN]

Hi all,

Would any of you consider using a paintball marker for home defence, in a riot situation to ward off violent people from approaching your home?

NB: Paintball marker shooting within the legal power limits of state.

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[GREEDYJOHN]

Have a look at this review of BT DFENDER MARKER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBZQhD9s2g
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIClSu6D80I

It is an expensive marker, out of my league

[TECSHARE]

This sounds like a good way to get shot to death and have no defense. If you had no other options available, maybe... but I would suggest something like this if you absolutely can't get or refuse to get a firearm.

http://www.drozdmax.com/bb-machine-guns.html

[GREEDYJOHN]

This sounds like a good way to get shot to death and have no defense. If you had no other options available, maybe... but I would suggest something like this if you absolutely can't get or refuse to get a firearm.

http://www.drozdmax.com/bb-machine-guns.html

There are hard nylon balls or powder filled paintballs. These markers can exceed the normal 12 - 16 Joule muzzle energy, going up to 20 - 30 Joules for experts who know how to tune their markers to maximum power.

BB guns penetrate, but paintball markers just pack a punch, especially if you use hard balls.

Of course, the DROZD can have a higher muzzle energy, if you know how to install an extended inner barrel.
However, the DROZD will not be available in countries that BAN FULL AUTO AIR WEAPONS.
This is the real reason why I even suggest paintball with hard balls.

[Snagglebone]

A standard marker or even a high powered one is useless for home defense, since a piece of wood, metal or even thick clothing will basically render your marker useless. That said, if you got capsicum filled ammo (which I've seen, but never used), then you might have a good deterrent, as even blocking the shots wouldn't help unless you had some sort of respirator and eye protection. You could effectively disable all but the most determined individuals if the ammo is high enough concentration and you can throw enough of it downrange.

[TECSHARE]

This sounds like a good way to get shot to death and have no defense. If you had no other options available, maybe... but I would suggest something like this if you absolutely can't get or refuse to get a firearm.

http://www.drozdmax.com/bb-machine-guns.html

There are hard nylon balls or powder filled paintballs. These markers can exceed the normal 12 - 16 Joule muzzle energy, going up to 20 - 30 Joules for experts who know how to tune their markers to maximum power.

BB guns penetrate, but paintball markers just pack a punch, especially if you use hard balls.

Of course, the DROZD can have a higher muzzle energy, if you know how to install an extended inner barrel.
However, the DROZD will not be available in countries that BAN FULL AUTO AIR WEAPONS.
This is the real reason why I even suggest paintball with hard balls.

I am aware of specialized ammo for paintball guns and that the PSI can be cranked up, it is still an inferior self defense weapon. The primary reason being is your ammo is limited and you can only (unless full auto) fire as fast as your finger can pull the trigger. Second, paintball guns and their tanks and hoppers are usually very large and cumbersome. With a full auto BB gun, you spray someone with that once and they will be very motivated to leave, and the chances of it killing them are very low if you aren't aiming at the head. If you use it carefully you could use it to fight off a whole crowd of people, unlike a paintball gun.

[GREEDYJOHN]

A standard marker or even a high powered one is useless for home defense, since a piece of wood, metal or even thick clothing will basically render your marker useless. That said, if you got capsicum filled ammo (which I've seen, but never used), then you might have a good deterrent, as even blocking the shots wouldn't help unless you had some sort of respirator and eye protection. You could effectively disable all but the most determined individuals if the ammo is high enough concentration and you can throw enough of it downrange.

Pepperballs can be expensive and even unavailable (or illegal for civilian use) in some countries. Hard nylon balls are also a good option, but they ate difficult to get hold of.

I have fired these hard nylon balls, they punch holes through 8mm thick particle board or plywood at point-blank range.

Here is a video of them being shot into the arm of a live human target, the ball got stuck in his arm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3--lSBoCXYA

[Lethn]

http://www.deadstopshields.com/

Ballistic Shield + Fist = Unconscious Rioter

OR, you could just smack them in the face with the shield itself depending on how good you are, ballistic shields and the like are perfect for riot scenarios, most people don't have guns, but even if they do something like this will at least stop some rounds without putting you at risk law wise.

[Spendulus]

http://www.deadstopshields.com/

Ballistic Shield + Fist = Unconscious Rioter

OR, you could just smack them in the face with the shield itself depending on how good you are, ballistic shields and the like are perfect for riot scenarios, most people don't have guns, but even if they do something like this will at least stop some rounds without putting you at risk law wise.

Spear guns (for divers).

[BootstrapCoinDev]

paintball marker to defence against whom? what a joke

[Hamuki]

paintball marker to defence against whom? what a joke

Its for RIOT police.. Normal countries in EU does not have gun nuts like the US does.
If the police starts fireing rubber balls at you with that kind of force, then people are gonna run.. No one can stand against it.

Whats next? Gonna do like what happend in egypt?
Just open fire with real rifles on civilians that are unarmed?

Stupid americans..

[Snail2]

Hi all,

Would any of you consider using a paintball marker for home defence, in a riot situation to ward off violent people from approaching your home?

NB: Paintball marker loaded with paintballs or hard balls, but shooting within the legal power limits of state.

No. That wouldn't knock them out but after hitting some of them the rest would be really pissed off.

[Lethn]

Ballistic shield to the face! Ballistic shield to the face!

[waterpile]

Neh, You're just going to make them angry and pissed, better use a tesla coil or 1 tank of pepper spray with a hose

[GREEDYJOHN]

paintball marker to defence against whom? what a joke

Its for RIOT police.. Normal countries in EU does not have gun nuts like the US does.
If the police starts fireing rubber balls at you with that kind of force, then people are gonna run.. No one can stand against it.

Whats next? Gonna do like what happend in egypt?
Just open fire with real rifles on civilians that are unarmed?

Stupid americans..

I suggested paintball, because it is a TOY that can be used as a low power weapon. You do not need FAC certificate, no fear of confiscation, you can use other ammo such a rubber balls, plastic-nylon balls or other hard balls.
I prefer them to air- rifles, because paintball with solid balls will not penetrate, but will provide blunt force.

[bitgeek]

paintball marker to defence against whom? what a joke

Its for RIOT police.. Normal countries in EU does not have gun nuts like the US does.
If the police starts fireing rubber balls at you with that kind of force, then people are gonna run.. No one can stand against it.

Whats next? Gonna do like what happend in egypt?
Just open fire with real rifles on civilians that are unarmed?

Stupid americans..

Really? Some of the countries with the highest gun ownership ratio in the world are in Europe.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Guns.png/279px-Guns.png

[Snagglebone]

paintball marker to defence against whom? what a joke

Its for RIOT police.. Normal countries in EU does not have gun nuts like the US does.
If the police starts fireing rubber balls at you with that kind of force, then people are gonna run.. No one can stand against it.

Stupid americans..

Yeah, those scarey rubber balls! I'd run, too, unless I had something like a piece of wood or metal to block them. It's a shame you can't find a shield like that just anywhere on the ground for free... oh wait...

Stupid Eurotrash.

[GREEDYJOHN]

paintball marker to defence against whom? what a joke

Its for RIOT police.. Normal countries in EU does not have gun nuts like the US does.
If the police starts fireing rubber balls at you with that kind of force, then people are gonna run.. No one can stand against it.

Stupid americans..

Yeah, those scarey rubber balls! I'd run, too, unless I had something like a piece of wood or metal to block them. It's a shame you can't find a shield like that just anywhere on the ground for free... oh wait...

Stupid Eurotrash.

It is a pity that American police must always use LIVE ammo. As big as they are, they cannot develop a more tame method for everyday use.

[Bobsurplus]

LMAO... I could just imagine someone pulling a tippman on me... I'd bust that shit over their head so fast... Forget a paintball gun man.. If anything arm yourself with a Bat, golfclub, butcher knife, tire iron ect..... you gotta put the toys away dude, for real!

[GREEDYJOHN]

LMAO... I could just imagine someone pulling a tippman on me... I'd bust that shit over their head so fast... Forget a paintball gun man.. If anything arm yourself with a Bat, golfclub, butcher knife, tire iron ect..... you gotta put the toys away dude, for real!

I am talking about home defence. With a paintball marker with solid nylon balls shooting at over 350 fps, you can hit a target 10 metres away, just like punching somebody that is 10 metres away. You could even fire from a hidden location, if it is all dark, etc.
More importantly, it is NON-LETHAL, so you can do a "HIT AND RUN".