Anything sustainable worth of investing?

[stereotype]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

I said reliable, like Interactive Brokers. And there you can just buy CFD...

Fair enough. Try IG Index .... http://www.ig.com/uk/bitcoin-btc

[Timetwister]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

I said reliable, like Interactive Brokers. And there you can just buy CFD...

Fair enough. Try IG Index .... http://www.ig.com/uk/bitcoin-btc

Is it possible to deposit bitcoin, exchange them for USD and then invest the USD in shares?

[SebastianJu]

that is very true, there are risks of losing cash or Btc through scammers but that does not mean that we cannot invest. negative people have been there since history began, they are the reason that the security systems are put in place. or we need to do is be careful while dealing with people. the only rule that can always keep you safe is that " never trust anyone but yourself".  there are good people out there

You clearly aren't here since some years. Practically every bitcoiner was the way you are now. Until he learned better. When 95% of all investments, and that is no joke, turn out to be a scam, being hacked or run by inept businessmans then you need to be sceptic. Even the most promising and legit and official projects turned scam. NeoBee for example. Cyprus bitcoin bank. Very legit... until the owner scammed everyone.

Believe me, there is practically no early adopter who did not lose the majority, all or at least a huge part of his coins to scams. And they surely weren't dreamers. Spreading risk did not help either. Bitcoin area is simply very very dangerous. If you take this lightly then you will have to learn it the hard way. And that is a costly way.

[SebastianJu]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

Wanted to post the same. And yes 1broker is a great site. I can recommend it. They don't have all stocks but alot already and the fees are better than elsewhere in the real market.

[SebastianJu]

Maybe some day reliable brokers will accept deposits in bitcoins, so you could in some sense invest in for example the stock market using bitcoins.

https://1broker.com/

I said reliable, like Interactive Brokers. And there you can just buy CFD...

As long as you don't hold the shares in your hands it shouldn't make a difference if you hold a CFD or a share at some brokers bank. You still have to trust the company that you own that share.

[stereotype]

that is very true, there are risks of losing cash or Btc through scammers but that does not mean that we cannot invest. negative people have been there since history began, they are the reason that the security systems are put in place. or we need to do is be careful while dealing with people. the only rule that can always keep you safe is that " never trust anyone but yourself".  there are good people out there

You clearly aren't here since some years. Practically every bitcoiner was the way you are now. Until he learned better. When 95% of all investments, and that is no joke, turn out to be a scam, being hacked or run by inept businessmans then you need to be sceptic. Even the most promising and legit and official projects turned scam. NeoBee for example. Cyprus bitcoin bank. Very legit... until the owner scammed everyone.

Believe me, there is practically no early adopter who did not lose the majority, all or at least a huge part of his coins to scams. And they surely weren't dreamers. Spreading risk did not help either. Bitcoin area is simply very very dangerous. If you take this lightly then you will have to learn it the hard way. And that is a costly way.

So so true. And you would think that such a high profile, very public, real bricks and mortar operation, like NeoBee, imploding like it did, would be all you'd need to know about the risks of this space.....but no.....the scams and gross incompetence still prevails.

Good luck finding the 5%, people.  

[SebastianJu]

that is very true, there are risks of losing cash or Btc through scammers but that does not mean that we cannot invest. negative people have been there since history began, they are the reason that the security systems are put in place. or we need to do is be careful while dealing with people. the only rule that can always keep you safe is that " never trust anyone but yourself".  there are good people out there

You clearly aren't here since some years. Practically every bitcoiner was the way you are now. Until he learned better. When 95% of all investments, and that is no joke, turn out to be a scam, being hacked or run by inept businessmans then you need to be sceptic. Even the most promising and legit and official projects turned scam. NeoBee for example. Cyprus bitcoin bank. Very legit... until the owner scammed everyone.

Believe me, there is practically no early adopter who did not lose the majority, all or at least a huge part of his coins to scams. And they surely weren't dreamers. Spreading risk did not help either. Bitcoin area is simply very very dangerous. If you take this lightly then you will have to learn it the hard way. And that is a costly way.

So so true. And you would think that such a high profile, very public, real bricks and mortar operation, like NeoBee, imploding like it did, would be all you'd need to know about the risks of this space.....but no.....the scams and gross incompetence still prevails.

Good luck finding the 5%, people.  

Not only that, it seems to be a trend that really small scammers crawl the forum like a pest. They probably are from less developed countries since they really are scamming for sums like $5. It's really funny, they do it like a work. Creating hundreds of accounts, posting, trying ideas to scam, they really put a lot of time into it.

It really is a pain to watch. At least i can stop scams from happening occassionally as escrow.

[ranlo]

that is very true, there are risks of losing cash or Btc through scammers but that does not mean that we cannot invest. negative people have been there since history began, they are the reason that the security systems are put in place. or we need to do is be careful while dealing with people. the only rule that can always keep you safe is that " never trust anyone but yourself".  there are good people out there

You clearly aren't here since some years. Practically every bitcoiner was the way you are now. Until he learned better. When 95% of all investments, and that is no joke, turn out to be a scam, being hacked or run by inept businessmans then you need to be sceptic. Even the most promising and legit and official projects turned scam. NeoBee for example. Cyprus bitcoin bank. Very legit... until the owner scammed everyone.

Believe me, there is practically no early adopter who did not lose the majority, all or at least a huge part of his coins to scams. And they surely weren't dreamers. Spreading risk did not help either. Bitcoin area is simply very very dangerous. If you take this lightly then you will have to learn it the hard way. And that is a costly way.

So so true. And you would think that such a high profile, very public, real bricks and mortar operation, like NeoBee, imploding like it did, would be all you'd need to know about the risks of this space.....but no.....the scams and gross incompetence still prevails.

Good luck finding the 5%, people.   

Not only that, it seems to be a trend that really small scammers crawl the forum like a pest. They probably are from less developed countries since they really are scamming for sums like $5. It's really funny, they do it like a work. Creating hundreds of accounts, posting, trying ideas to scam, they really put a lot of time into it.

It really is a pain to watch. At least i can stop scams from happening occassionally as escrow.

The cheapest scam I've seen around here was for literally $0.10. Yes, ten cents. And the person threw away a multi-month account to do it, too. I just... I don't get it. Really.

[crazyivan]

It all comes down to transparency. If you ask for income proof, mining address, photos, names and those are not provided, you simply pass on the offer. Do not feed the scammers.

[morantis]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

[PCos]

Someone could vote tho this poll and give his contribute to the discussion?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1265146.0

[stereotype]

It all comes down to transparency. If you ask for income proof, mining address, photos, names and those are not provided, you simply pass on the offer. Do not feed the scammers.

For loans, yes. But for assets/equities, you also need to be able to judge integrity and competency.

[PCos]

Well, in my opinion all depends by a lot of factor. But first, a good asset management is basically for each investments! All investmet could be good but Portfolio theory (modigliani & Miller) say that allow yor BTC in more investment help you to reduce risk and to increase profit. So all could be good: from loan to Forex.

[AcoinL.L.C]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

That's a much better return than a savings account. And 10% is a solid return, that's fairly close to the historical returns of the S&P500. The only thing is storing funds with Bter is much riskier.

[ranlo]

It all comes down to transparency. If you ask for income proof, mining address, photos, names and those are not provided, you simply pass on the offer. Do not feed the scammers.

Hmm, TIL scammers that provide "transparency" aren't actually scammers. Despite stealing money. Thanks for the clarification!

[crazyivan]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

Yes, I know this. An excellent opportunity. Halley BTC provides 17%. However, there s always that risk of being scammed. Chinese exchange and Chinese mining operation.

[ranlo]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

Yes, I know this. An excellent opportunity. Halley BTC provides 17%. However, there s always that risk of being scammed. Chinese exchange and Chinese mining operation.

I've never even heard of this one before... do you know how long they've been around? Or did you mean HaoBTC?

[crazyivan]

I am not sure what you consider to be a good return, but I use bter.com as a small holding area for some coins and they return a 10% approx annual interest rate on the BTC balance.  Pretty much no better than a savings account.

Yes, I know this. An excellent opportunity. Halley BTC provides 17%. However, there s always that risk of being scammed. Chinese exchange and Chinese mining operation.

I've never even heard of this one before... do you know how long they've been around? Or did you mean HaoBTC?

No, HaoBTC s lower interest. These guys have been around for about 4-5 months. I ve been using them for some time now and everything s fine, they have some promotion now.

HOWEVER, even if their business model is sustainable, this does not mean I recommend them. You ll just have to do a bit more digging and then decide.

[Karartma1]

Since bter.com got hacked it started with partnership with JUA fund management and started giving 10% on BTC holdings. I've ben using it since July I got a very nice sum considering I did nothing.
But I don't know how sustainable that is. It was a very risky investment!

[crazyivan]

Here is something else I ve been playing with recetnly, a very interesting coin and a new asset. I am a bit time holder:

Ladies and gentleman I declare that the Legendary 10 auction is officially OPEN.

The main picture says it all.
This is an auction of Unique Crypto Assets that will come preloaded with a variety of benefits.
The whole reasoning and conditions are laid out on the auction pages.

Please visit the auction link for more information. -- https://bit.diamonds/auction.html

I'm sure there will be a lot of excitement so enjoy the ride!

https://bit.diamonds/auction.html