[ANN] [TRON] Positron Technologies - Upcoming Project Direction Change

[CryptoTrout]

Can you give us list of coin which you created/you were in team ?

Didn't you see his post? There is no way he has enough time for that. 

[cryptowest]

forget this copywest shitcoin. it will dump on the next news ( a website lmao) again. 5k incoming. leave when prometheus is in a coin. never forget UTIL and Halcyon. the shitcoin saga continues  

Util and Hal are Cryptowest's childs?

@cryptowest

Can you give us list of coin which you created/you were in team ?

I work freelance. I work what I'm hired for, as long as its not an ICO, illegal, or has any bad/hidden code. I don't care who I work for as long as they aren't looking to pull outright scams. If they intend to deliver and develop a list of features for at least 3 months or more and give people a fair chance to trade, I'll work on the project if the pay is good. Those are my rules. I may be part of some teams short term but most coins have 5-10 people working on different pieces, even if they claim only one dev. TRON has the work of about 12-15 different people. Coin projects and even the teams working on them are sold behind the scenes sometimes, or given to the new holders - for example, after UTIL became part of Blocknet, the Blocknet team took 100% control of all UTIL accounts because that team wanted distance from any ICO. I've been a part of maybe... 5 or 6 projects last year, and only TRON this year. TRON is the only one I would consider my own. I had also planned to make FRAGcoin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFhSHkrqpuM last year but realized the market doesn't like videogame coins. I've also made about 20 websites in the last few years. Real life startup company failure rate is about 95% and I think crypto is worse.

Anyway... it seems people are getting the wrong message. I'm not quitting. Work on Positron continues, but alt volume is shit right now and I can't live off TRON or any crypto right now really. I also put most of my IRL funds into TRON which was a mistake. Crypto is fucked and it's not paying the bills so its back to conventional tech freelancing part time and TRON work part time. Hopefully alts will liven up again and by then TRON will be ready to shine.

[mastertrader777]

forget this copywest shitcoin. it will dump on the next news ( a website lmao) again. 5k incoming. leave when prometheus is in a coin. never forget UTIL and Halcyon. the shitcoin saga continues  

Util and Hal are Cryptowest's childs?

@cryptowest

Can you give us list of coin which you created/you were in team ?

I work freelance. I work what I'm hired for, as long as its not an ICO, illegal, or has any bad/hidden code. I don't care who I work for as long as they aren't looking to pull outright scams. If they intend to deliver and develop a list of features for at least 3 months or more and give people a fair chance to trade, I'll work on the project if the pay is good. Those are my rules. I may be part of some teams short term but most coins have 5-10 people working on different pieces, even if they claim only one dev. TRON has the work of about 12-15 different people. Coin projects and even the teams working on them are sold behind the scenes sometimes, or given to the new holders - for example, after UTIL became part of Blocknet, the Blocknet team took 100% control of all UTIL accounts because that team wanted distance from any ICO. I've been a part of maybe... 5 or 6 projects last year, and only TRON this year. TRON is the only one I would consider my own. I had also planned to make FRAGcoin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFhSHkrqpuM last year but realized the market doesn't like videogame coins. I've also made about 20 websites in the last few years. Real life startup company failure rate is about 95% and I think crypto is worse.

Anyway... it seems people are getting the wrong message. I'm not quitting. Work on Positron continues, but alt volume is shit right now and I can't live off TRON or any crypto right now really. I also put most of my IRL funds into TRON which was a mistake. Crypto is fucked and it's not paying the bills so its back to conventional tech freelancing part time and TRON work part time. Hopefully alts will liven up again and by then TRON will be ready to shine.

I like that you are honest.

I think that you should keep on with the keep on though at 100%.

That's what your supporters deserve mate.

Why spend all that money to get going, to put the whole project in a idle like state, because of lessened market activity.

I don't think there are any devs in today's crypto world, that would say making a coin - is for the sake of paying bills.

I personally developed MTR and currently in Beta on ToshiDesk - To better the community in every way I can.

The Developers on my team, want to see new faces, and interest into the crypto space.

You might not make a change today or tomorrow...but being here today paves a way for a better tomorrow.

Keep on with it...don't lose that drive, passion, and energy...I like that about you.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777

www.ToshiDesk.com/beta

[StarFire]

Well said mr west. Hopefully the alt markets liven up.

[mitchr4]

So did we even get a website? Or did dev just lose interest in building it? I don't think prom was behind this coin, but I do think he may have bought shares early with the intention of screwing it over.

[cennet]

i hope, TRON will get up again.

[cryptowest]

forget this copywest shitcoin. it will dump on the next news ( a website lmao) again. 5k incoming. leave when prometheus is in a coin. never forget UTIL and Halcyon. the shitcoin saga continues  

Util and Hal are Cryptowest's childs?

@cryptowest

Can you give us list of coin which you created/you were in team ?

I work freelance. I work what I'm hired for, as long as its not an ICO, illegal, or has any bad/hidden code. I don't care who I work for as long as they aren't looking to pull outright scams. If they intend to deliver and develop a list of features for at least 3 months or more and give people a fair chance to trade, I'll work on the project if the pay is good. Those are my rules. I may be part of some teams short term but most coins have 5-10 people working on different pieces, even if they claim only one dev. TRON has the work of about 12-15 different people. Coin projects and even the teams working on them are sold behind the scenes sometimes, or given to the new holders - for example, after UTIL became part of Blocknet, the Blocknet team took 100% control of all UTIL accounts because that team wanted distance from any ICO. I've been a part of maybe... 5 or 6 projects last year, and only TRON this year. TRON is the only one I would consider my own. I had also planned to make FRAGcoin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFhSHkrqpuM last year but realized the market doesn't like videogame coins. I've also made about 20 websites in the last few years. Real life startup company failure rate is about 95% and I think crypto is worse.

Anyway... it seems people are getting the wrong message. I'm not quitting. Work on Positron continues, but alt volume is shit right now and I can't live off TRON or any crypto right now really. I also put most of my IRL funds into TRON which was a mistake. Crypto is fucked and it's not paying the bills so its back to conventional tech freelancing part time and TRON work part time. Hopefully alts will liven up again and by then TRON will be ready to shine.

I like that you are honest.

I think that you should keep on with the keep on though at 100%.

That's what your supporters deserve mate.

Why spend all that money to get going, to put the whole project in a idle like state, because of lessened market activity.

I don't think there are any devs in today's crypto world, that would say making a coin - is for the sake of paying bills.

I personally developed MTR and currently in Beta on ToshiDesk - To better the community in every way I can.

The Developers on my team, want to see new faces, and interest into the crypto space.

You might not make a change today or tomorrow...but being here today paves a way for a better tomorrow.

Keep on with it...don't lose that drive, passion, and energy...I like that about you.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777

www.ToshiDesk.com/beta

Thanks man, nice to hear that. I want to get back to TRON 100% and I plan to, theres a lot of money and personal effort already invested. I'm not putting it into an idle state, but crypto/altcoins in general are doing terrible now and not many can make a living here right now. When TRON was hyping, I got caught in it too. I nearly emptied my bank account for BTC with Circle and Coinbase to get more TRON when we were 40-50k satoshis. The goal right now is to continue TRON work, get that website done, meet the new roadmap goals, and support myself by working small IRL freelance/development contracts temporarily.

I'm also selling some of my unused computer gear, posted my first item at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1070919.msg11457062#msg11457062

I'm not giving up, I'm not putting TRON into an idle state, but a lot of people have left crypto again since that first interest with #altsareback. Some of those were helping on TRON, some I even paid a bit upfront and they just disappear. I can't pay my rent and bills by putting out TRON updates - all that's done is caused me, and probably everyone else here, to lose money. A natural price has to be found, without manipulation and trying to forcibly hold up the price and fake volume. Work continues in the background, and the drive is still there.

[steve321]

How to set up a masternode?  Has the functionality been enabled yet? 


Thanks!

[NoobKidOnTheBlock]

I like that he is just straight to the point about this shit lol That's way better than the majority of Devs who just abandon their coins and leave everyone else bagholding like usual lmao He is right though that lately Alt scene has been the shits and he isn't the only person saying that lately.  But I still think that TRON is a keeper and I still hold a stash of them for when it creeps back up the charts Cheers

[solid12345]

Can I ask an honest question CW, not criticizing or throwing stones, just getting in the state of mind of an average alt developer.

Why is it I've noticed the prevailing excuse for why a coin is abandoned is it always seems to revolve around a lack of funds or not getting paid as reason to not go forward? I've been involved in several projects over my lifetime with friends or colleagues developing an iphone app, a few mobile games, an ipad holder accessory etc. where none of us got paid but we hoped we could profit off selling the product when it is completed or pitching it to venture capitalists.

It's not something we did from 8-5 but worked after hours on our own free time. I'm not a programmer so I honestly can't judge how many hours it takes to develop a crypto project but is it really not something where someone who is dedicated can't find time to code an hour or two in the evenings or on the weekends while working a day job?

I think this idea that alt coin creation should be a way to pay the bills is the exact reason alt volume is dying. It creates fragmentation, instead of one developer pouring his heart and soul into ONE coin for 6 months and working only on it and trying to make the best product possible that could one day reach a market cap of millions, they instead take the easy route and pump out a quick copy paste coin every few days to appease the miners and the day 1 buyers hoping for a quick flip. This is fine for the cynics who make their little profit and leave but it leaves a sour taste in peoples mouth for everyone who buys at the top and holds believing the bullshit this is a long term project with potential.

Remember what started the "Alts are back," meme in the first place, it was Crave coming out and a good developer actually releasing new features on a regular basis instead of just promising bullshit 6 months down the road with generic road maps. This actually got people excited again, but instead it gets ruined by a dozen train wrecks of broken Crave clones that sucked everyones profits. Now everyone is running around crying why the volume is gone....

[danonthehill]

Can I ask an honest question CW, not criticizing or throwing stones, just getting in the state of mind of an average alt developer.

Why is it I've noticed the prevailing excuse for why a coin is abandoned is it always seems to revolve around a lack of funds or not getting paid as reason to not go forward? I've been involved in several projects over my lifetime with friends or colleagues developing an iphone app, a few mobile games, an ipad holder accessory etc. where none of us got paid but we hoped we could profit off selling the product when it is completed or pitching it to venture capitalists.

It's not something we did from 8-5 but worked after hours on our own free time. I'm not a programmer so I honestly can't judge how many hours it takes to develop a crypto project but is it really not something where someone who is dedicated can't find time to code an hour or two in the evenings or on the weekends while working a day job?

I think this idea that alt coin creation should be a way to pay the bills is the exact reason alt volume is dying. It creates fragmentation, instead of one developer pouring his heart and soul into ONE coin for 6 months and working only on it and trying to make the best product possible that could one day reach a market cap of millions, they instead take the easy route and pump out a quick copy paste coin every few days to appease the miners and the day 1 buyers hoping for a quick flip. This is fine for the cynics who make their little profit and leave but it leaves a sour taste in peoples mouth for everyone who buys at the top and holds believing the bullshit this is a long term project with potential.

Remember what started the "Alts are back," meme in the first place, it was Crave coming out and a good developer actually releasing new features on a regular basis instead of just promising bullshit 6 months down the road with generic road maps. This actually got people excited again, but instead it gets ruined by a dozen train wrecks of broken Crave clones that sucked everyones profits. Now everyone is running around crying why the volume is gone....

I agree, wasn't some of the hype narrative for Tron that it would have 12 employees.  What profit projection was that based on?  Real world tech start-ups rarely begin with 12 employees...no sense in that. 

And not sure that alt volume has decreased that significantly since the inception of this project.

[danonthehill]

I agree, wasn't some of the hype narrative for Tron that it would have 12 employees.  What profit projection was that based on?  Real world tech start-ups rarely begin with 12 employees...no sense in that.  

And not sure that alt volume has decreased that significantly since the inception of this project.

(just an observation)
interesting conversion from "TRON has the work of about 12-15 different people" to 12 employees
sensors indicate a strong corporate mentality

Maybe you're right:



38 Retweets must be important. LOL. 

[april29]

I agree, wasn't some of the hype narrative for Tron that it would have 12 employees.  What profit projection was that based on?  Real world tech start-ups rarely begin with 12 employees...no sense in that.  

And not sure that alt volume has decreased that significantly since the inception of this project.

(just an observation)
interesting conversion from "TRON has the work of about 12-15 different people" to 12 employees
sensors indicate a strong corporate mentality

Maybe you're right:



38 Retweets must be important. LOL.  

so, what you want? lol...

[suprnova]

I agree, wasn't some of the hype narrative for Tron that it would have 12 employees.  What profit projection was that based on?  Real world tech start-ups rarely begin with 12 employees...no sense in that.  

And not sure that alt volume has decreased that significantly since the inception of this project.

(just an observation)
interesting conversion from "TRON has the work of about 12-15 different people" to 12 employees
sensors indicate a strong corporate mentality

Maybe you're right:



38 Retweets must be important. LOL. 

Haters gonna haters

[miningfool]

This is an interesting idea that could have legs, but I think perhaps west underestimated the mountain he set before himself   The way accelerators work...well, basically they prey on the naivety of young people who give up large equity stakes in their ideas in exchange for a couple months of experienced help and mentoring.    Of course it is all entirely speculative so usually they are created by people with some extra bankroll to fund it and not as a way to pay the bills...  Currently in the crypto space, in Bitcoin even, real monetize-able business models are still in the discovery phase.  Even transaction-based business models are not generating tons of revenues because the users/interest/demand is just not there yet for BTC and certainly not for alts.  So some questions TRON will have to figure out are what sort of terms it will operate with, how will it get a stake in the accelerated client projects, and how do holders of the coin benefit from this.  There are "Directors" that are directors in name only, coin holders, but not corporate directors nor do I think people would _want_ to take on the responsibility.  So TRON the "company" will accelerate startups in the crypto space.  What kinds of startups?  What benefits can a startup gain by joining the TRON accelerator "program"?  What does that program look like?  Is there a methodology unique to the program?  How does TRON get its exit in these deals and realize profit?  "Get big fast and sell" is one approach but probably not realistic.  What if it takes a couple years for the accelerated projects to become viable and self-sustaining, and only 10% of them make it?  These are the sorts of things that will need to get figured out and maybe, I would suggest, the community could start thinking about. 

I would suggest that in the crypto world a good way to put it together would be to use digital tokens aka colored coins, perhaps on the TRON platform.  Fork Counterparty, hook it up with TRON, use it to float tradeable tokens in the accelerated projects?  Probably won't be enough liquidity or interest to actually be able to pull any revenue/profit out for the company though.  So maybe you have the "client" projects float tokens on Counterparty or Mastercoin or something and take 50% of it.

The other path is that TRON the company does actual real equity deals with startup companies, but that begs 2 questions, the first being will there be enough potential "customers" that are that formalized that they even have a company to take a piece of and the second being how do the coin holders become the beneficiaries of those deals without running amok of accredited investor requirements etc.  Surely there are some TRON coin holders who meet the accredited investor requirements, but doubtful all.  Running it as a DAO with tokens perhaps skirts some of those issues until the more relaxed rules come into effect.  But until that point it means tackling some questions around how you separate TRON the "company" from potentially TRON the "DAO" from TRON the "coin" from the coin holders, and how you flow profits from TRON the "company"-ies activities through those tiers.

Anyway, the above are just some thoughts, right now there's probably less than 100-200 people even looking at alts anymore and we're all just trading amongst ourselves anyways, and probably less than 1000 people actively doing dev-y/startup-y things with BTC, it could either die out or maybe blow up again which is a long shot but better to figure this stuff out now while things are quiet so if things do get interest again you're positioned to take advantage of the opportunities.

[mastertrader777]

Can I ask an honest question CW, not criticizing or throwing stones, just getting in the state of mind of an average alt developer.

Why is it I've noticed the prevailing excuse for why a coin is abandoned is it always seems to revolve around a lack of funds or not getting paid as reason to not go forward? I've been involved in several projects over my lifetime with friends or colleagues developing an iphone app, a few mobile games, an ipad holder accessory etc. where none of us got paid but we hoped we could profit off selling the product when it is completed or pitching it to venture capitalists.

It's not something we did from 8-5 but worked after hours on our own free time. I'm not a programmer so I honestly can't judge how many hours it takes to develop a crypto project but is it really not something where someone who is dedicated can't find time to code an hour or two in the evenings or on the weekends while working a day job?

I think this idea that alt coin creation should be a way to pay the bills is the exact reason alt volume is dying. It creates fragmentation, instead of one developer pouring his heart and soul into ONE coin for 6 months and working only on it and trying to make the best product possible that could one day reach a market cap of millions, they instead take the easy route and pump out a quick copy paste coin every few days to appease the miners and the day 1 buyers hoping for a quick flip. This is fine for the cynics who make their little profit and leave but it leaves a sour taste in peoples mouth for everyone who buys at the top and holds believing the bullshit this is a long term project with potential.

Remember what started the "Alts are back," meme in the first place, it was Crave coming out and a good developer actually releasing new features on a regular basis instead of just promising bullshit 6 months down the road with generic road maps. This actually got people excited again, but instead it gets ruined by a dozen train wrecks of broken Crave clones that sucked everyones profits. Now everyone is running around crying why the volume is gone....

+1 I agree.

If I gave up on ToshiDesk when the ICO funds were depleted - I would have let down 80+ investors, and but a damper on crypto.

I kept going and we are still at it gaining partnerships left and right - spending $500+ a week on development, and we have private Vc's watching ToshiDesk and MTR very closely.

Don't give up CW - Alts are in a lull right now- because btc MACD looks better than it ever has, and people are gambling and going LONG in BTC and LTC right now.

Those Alts that are still around in 5-9 months...when BTC hits $500 a starts to plateau - which coins are those btc sellers going to run to? Alts - The ones that stuck it out and continued to better themselves and their brand when the going got tough.

I hate to see another Crypto project fail because of the " I ran out of funding " jargon.

Step up, and make it happen. Try to make ends meet, and be better than the rest.

I don't even hold any TRON, so its not like I'm baghold praying that you do come through...it would just be nice to see you come through.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777

www.ToshiDesk.com/beta  

@ToshiDesk


Also keep an eye out for MTR's next asset - BitStone  

[april29]

many FUD in here... 

[iqlimasyadiqa]

many FUD in here...  

You right , Professional FUD . look 5 last page , many and many . from FUD they Got cheap

Update :
N now just 10 btc to 20k


So small for whales Play in this game

[Gizfreak]

many FUD in here... 

When there's FUD around, a coin is worth watching. My experience.

[positrondev]

We are currently working on the website, a new ANN, and the new wallet code.

A question for the community - should we update the current ANN, or create a new moderated thread?