"Killing Jews is Worship that Draws Us Close to Allah" Ads on NYC Buses

[Spendulus]

Pamela Geller doesn't want Jews killed. That's why she's point out Jew-killers and the people who excuse them. What do the people who want to silence her want? Dead Jews.

Don't worry. Jews will continue to be killed whether this ad runs or not. And people will blame the Jews for being killed.

Hahaha, yes, poor innocent Jews! Always being picked on and killed for no reason whatsoever!

Well, no Jew-hatred indicated there!

Thanks for answering. People have made this assumption a lot since I started defending Israel/Jews in the many, many threads popping up to hate on Israel/Jews. For months I just ignored it because I don't have a problem if people think I'm a Jew. (For the record: I'm not. I'm a Canadian Atheist. My ancestral ethnic background, like many "New Worlders" is who-the-fuck-knows and it's-not-important-to-me.)

Isn't it disturbing though that someone can be automatically assumed to be a Jew simply because they're against Jews being demonized, Jews being hated, Jews being killed? Or against Israel being attacked or destroyed?

What's disturbing is why you are buying into Jewish lies as if your life depended on it...

You're the one buying into lies about the Jews. Lies about Jews have often infected the weak-minded. Just consider seeking some help for your problem.

If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
Whenever you stand up for something, notice who you're standing next to. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=958135.0;all https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0;all

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Why would I even have such a statement in my signature? I want the Jew-haters to know they do, in fact, have skin-in-the-game when it comes to Israel. I will do my best to make sure of that. The survival of your species depends on the survival of Israel. Jew-haters should remember that when they post.

Why so much hatred, when you're not even a Jew?

It's not only Jews who hate Nazis.

For being an atheist, you sure have an interest in Judaism. 

Heh. I think you're suggesting I'm a sneaky, lying Jew. So sneaky and lying that I claim not to be a Jew in order to Jew you into not doubting my defense of Jews. That's some pretty deep Jew-hatred there. Do you imagine me doing all this while stroking the Jew gold around my neck? And then do you imagine that's not the real Jew gold, but the fake Jew gold I use to Jew non-Jews?

0-100 real quick 

Seems like you're feeling pretty guilty to rant off like that 

I'm an atheist and also have not "an interest", but a definite respect for Judaism.  Seems there'd be no Christianity without it, and no Islam, either, and no Judeo-Christian western culture.

Some people around here really need to get off the hate bus.

[EternalWingsofGod]

This is quite distasteful
If I saw this advertisment I would not support it, as the message could be presented in a better way.

[koshgel]

Pamela Geller doesn't want Jews killed. That's why she's point out Jew-killers and the people who excuse them. What do the people who want to silence her want? Dead Jews.

Don't worry. Jews will continue to be killed whether this ad runs or not. And people will blame the Jews for being killed.

Hahaha, yes, poor innocent Jews! Always being picked on and killed for no reason whatsoever!

Well, no Jew-hatred indicated there!

Thanks for answering. People have made this assumption a lot since I started defending Israel/Jews in the many, many threads popping up to hate on Israel/Jews. For months I just ignored it because I don't have a problem if people think I'm a Jew. (For the record: I'm not. I'm a Canadian Atheist. My ancestral ethnic background, like many "New Worlders" is who-the-fuck-knows and it's-not-important-to-me.)

Isn't it disturbing though that someone can be automatically assumed to be a Jew simply because they're against Jews being demonized, Jews being hated, Jews being killed? Or against Israel being attacked or destroyed?

What's disturbing is why you are buying into Jewish lies as if your life depended on it...

You're the one buying into lies about the Jews. Lies about Jews have often infected the weak-minded. Just consider seeking some help for your problem.

If Israel is destroyed, I will devote the rest of my life to the extermination of the human species. Any species that goes down this road again less than 100 years after the holocaust needs to be fucking wiped out.
Whenever you stand up for something, notice who you're standing next to. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=958135.0;all https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0;all

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Why would I even have such a statement in my signature? I want the Jew-haters to know they do, in fact, have skin-in-the-game when it comes to Israel. I will do my best to make sure of that. The survival of your species depends on the survival of Israel. Jew-haters should remember that when they post.

Why so much hatred, when you're not even a Jew?

It's not only Jews who hate Nazis.

For being an atheist, you sure have an interest in Judaism. 

Heh. I think you're suggesting I'm a sneaky, lying Jew. So sneaky and lying that I claim not to be a Jew in order to Jew you into not doubting my defense of Jews. That's some pretty deep Jew-hatred there. Do you imagine me doing all this while stroking the Jew gold around my neck? And then do you imagine that's not the real Jew gold, but the fake Jew gold I use to Jew non-Jews?

0-100 real quick 

Seems like you're feeling pretty guilty to rant off like that 

I'm an atheist and also have not "an interest", but a definite respect for Judaism.  Seems there'd be no Christianity without it, and no Islam, either, and no Judeo-Christian western culture.

Some people around here really need to get off the hate bus.

I made an observation and was attacked for it. I didn't say any mean words but somehow I'm exhibiting hate.

Either people have a guilty conscience around here or are ultra-sensitive.

I'm entirely sure I'm not the only one that finds it weird someone would be willing to fight for a country that is built for Jews (their own words) but claims to be atheist. I would call that person confused.

[koshgel]

"Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c


"Jewish Internet Defense Force"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force

The Jews are in full force online and would guarantee that they are in our midst.

Can be seen prominently on sites like Reddit.

Don't criticize it though or you are going to be labeled anti-semitic

[no-ice-please]

I wish the Jihadis who openly believe in and praise killing Jews were as controversial as the people who point it out.

If you're looking for people to compare to the Nazis, how about looking at the people who tortured and murdered Ilan Halimi in 2006? Or if 9 years is too long ago, look at the man who killed the Jews in that supermarket in Paris in January? Or the Jewish kids shot and killed at a school a couple of years ago? All these examples are in France and they were all killed by Jihadis.

Jews actually are being targetted and killed. Today. By the people who say their goal is to kill Jews. Because of their religion.

And you're comparing the people pointing this out to the Nazis. Instead of the people who are actually demonizing Jews, actually targetting Jews, actually killing Jews.

Do you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe you're missing something?

What some people take into consideration, and others don't evidently, are the relative positions of various minorities.

A lot of the most powerful people in America and France are Jewish. But there are very few powerful Muslims in those countries. So for example an Israeli wounded by a cheap rocket from Gaza will get a lot of mainstream press but a bunch of Gazans killed by expensive precision weapons that were a few feet off is not so much news.

A good place for a person like you to learn a little is the website http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

 

[no-ice-please]

"Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c


"Jewish Internet Defense Force"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force

The Jews are in full force online and would guarantee that they are in our midst.

Can be seen prominently on sites like Reddit.

Don't criticize it though or you are going to be labeled anti-semitic

Pumping trivial old news makes you irrelevant, not anti Semitic. Almost every interest group has its collection of trolls and spammers, why would zionoids be different?

[J. J. Phillips]

For being an atheist, you sure have an interest in Judaism. 

Heh. I think you're suggesting I'm a sneaky, lying Jew. So sneaky and lying that I claim not to be a Jew in order to Jew you into not doubting my defense of Jews. That's some pretty deep Jew-hatred there. Do you imagine me doing all this while stroking the Jew gold around my neck? And then do you imagine that's not the real Jew gold, but the fake Jew gold I use to Jew non-Jews?

0-100 real quick 

Seems like you're feeling pretty guilty to rant off like that 

100? I didn't even get to 10 in that post. You're obviously not familiar with my work. What would I have to feel guilty about? I'm not one of the Nazis on this thread.

Look. I understand a lot of you are seriously deeply into your Jew-hatred. You're so deeply into it that you can only imagine that someone would defend Jews/Israel if they are Jewish. If you really need to believe I'm Jewish, it's fine with me. You already believe a fuckload of lies, so why not believe one more? There's nothing wrong with being Jewish, and I'd have nothing to feel "guilty" about if I were.

You can say "oh, I'm not a Jew hater" all you want, but there are several obvious truths. Israel is one small Jewish democracy, in which non-Jews live as citizens. It was formed largely because Jews around the world have been persecuted by people just like you. It wasn't formed by "stealing Arab land." It's a long and complicated history that you obviously don't care about or you'd know it. You spend all your time demonizing Israel/Jews. Meanwhile the world is littered with Islamic theocracies. In some of these places non-Muslims are not even allowed to visit. There are women being stoned to death for being raped. Homosexuals are being thrown from buildings. In the past year we've seen people beheaded, crucified and burned alive. Militant Islamists kill far, far more Muslims than Israelis do. And they kill them in far more gruesome ways. Yet, you spend all your time complaining about Israel/Jews.

Deep down you have to know why you're singling out the Jews. The same reason the Nazis did. Because you're fucking Nazis. Now, I'll acknowledge that most of you are too stupid to know you're Nazis, but that doesn't change the fact that you are.

I do not feel guilty about attacking Nazis online. It's just a little time-consuming hobby I have. I wouldn't have felt guilty if I'd been part of fire bombing Dresden in WW2. As I've said before, the problem with Dresden is not enough Nazis died in a fire. When I make offhand comments about hoping you guys die in a fire, I mean that quite literally. An even better fate would be if someday you were forced to decide between burning to death or jumping from the 100th floor of a skyscraper.

For the record, the previous paragraph is how I hit 10. Would you like to see 11?

[J. J. Phillips]

This is quite distasteful
If I saw this advertisment I would not support it, as the message could be presented in a better way.

The message consists of certain obvious propositions:

1. Jihad is a word primarily used to indicate a militant struggle by Muslims, and part of that struggle involves killing Jews.
2. There are people and groups (with lots of ad money) trying to give the false impression that this is not the primary use of the word Jihad.

Can you suggest a better way to present this? Most of the comments I've seen here just want two things: (1) shut up about Jihadis and (2) dead Jews.

[alani123]

This is quite distasteful
If I saw this advertisment I would not support it, as the message could be presented in a better way.

Well according to the articles on the topic the ads were placed by a pro-israeli group. I can't see how an ad trying to achieve shock advertising could be distasteful. I think that this group tries it's best to draw attention that Jews are not doing well with Jihadists. We already knew that they didn't do well with Muslims but the radicals want them dead. Maybe the ad fails to pass this message clearly at first glance but it surely draws the attention of people easily. 

[J. J. Phillips]

"Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofScCiJT4c


"Jewish Internet Defense Force"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force

The Jews are in full force online and would guarantee that they are in our midst.

Can be seen prominently on sites like Reddit.

Don't criticize it though or you are going to be labeled anti-semitic

Yesterday I saw a comment on the bitcoin reddit in the "Shamir vs. Diffie" thread. It referenced that Shamir is a Jew by saying something like "Strange how Jews end up at the top of their field by building a little piece on top of other people's work." It's now been deleted. Do you think the fact that it was deleted is a sign of what you're describing? I would think it was deleted by a mod who saw the comment as racist and irrelevant.

Incidently, I didn't know Shamir was Jewish. In fact, I still don't because I haven't checked. It's not important to me. The thing that's so disheartening is that it's clear a lot of you watch a video and see someone like Shamir and the first thing you think is goddamn Jew. It's probably the only thing you think. That's just sad. Rabid dogs have more restraint and reasoning power.

[J. J. Phillips]

This is quite distasteful
If I saw this advertisment I would not support it, as the message could be presented in a better way.

Well according to the articles on the topic the ads were placed by a pro-israeli group. I can't see how an ad trying to achieve shock advertising could be distasteful. I think that this group tries it's best to draw attention that Jews are not doing well with Jihadists. We already knew that they didn't do well with Muslims but the radicals want them dead. Maybe the ad fails to pass this message clearly at first glance but it surely draws the attention of people easily.  

Pamela Geller is Jewish, pro-Israel (why do you write "israeli" instead of "Israeli"?) and anti-Jihad. I remember reading about her in 2006, so she's been around a long time. I'm sure you could find her side of the story if you're interested.

From what I've read, this ad was created in response to a series of ads designed to mislead people into believing: "Jihad just means struggle, nothing bad about Jihad." This assertion about Jihad is ridiculously false, and Geller's ad demonstrates how ridiculously false it is by actually quoting a Jihadi.

Jews haven't "done well" with Jihadis since the time of Muhammed. I don't think that's news. On the other hand, I'm sure most people aren't aware of the history.

I'm sure if the ads do go up, it won't stay up for long. The modern axis of Jew haters will have a Kristallnacht in which the ads are defaced or destroyed. This will be followed by media stories praising how open and tolerant this proves New Yorkers are.

[btcusury]

JJ Phillips, what exactly is the reason you go to extreme lengths to defend Jews and not any other group of people? If you truly do not identify as a Jew, then you're just about the most brainwashed shabbos goy I've ever seen. You're like a robot with an extremely narrow belief system, similar to Anders Breivik. Your calling everybody a nazi is something that only the most radically racist of Jewish groups do, such as the JDF and JIDF. The hatred you're holding onto is not doing you any good, my brother.

[J. J. Phillips]

JJ Phillips, what exactly is the reason you go to extreme lengths to defend Jews and not any other group of people? If you truly do not identify as a Jew, then you're just about the most brainwashed shabbos goy I've ever seen. You're like a robot with an extremely narrow belief system, similar to Anders Breivik. Your calling everybody a nazi is something that only the most radically racist of Jewish groups do, such as the JDF and JIDF. The hatred you're holding onto is not doing you any good, my brother.

Is there another group of people who are being demonized and lied about to a similar degree?

I literally believe people like most of the people on this thread who spread lies and propaganda about Jews are -- on purpose -- working towards a second Holocaust. I accept that I can't stop them, but I'm not going to watch it happen silently.

Try to imagine if you didn't hate Jews. Try to imagine you were against the systematic extermination of the Jews. And try to imagine you were watching people openly marching the world towards a second Holocaust. What would you do?

You guys may have a day of celebration the day six million Jews are killed -- again. But after the celebrations calm down, I want you to remember me. If you have young kids, you will look at them and know that because of me you will never have grandkids. If you have young grandkids, know that because of me they will never have kids. Your family will die out, the same way you killed the Jews. And it is all because you couldn't take an objective look at the clear evidence in the world today. All because you had to focus on one small group of people while overlooking the much worse actions of much larger groups of people.

You have signed the death warrant of the Jews. And you have signed your own as well.

[btcusury]

JJ Phillips, what exactly is the reason you go to extreme lengths to defend Jews and not any other group of people? If you truly do not identify as a Jew, then you're just about the most brainwashed shabbos goy I've ever seen. You're like a robot with an extremely narrow belief system, similar to Anders Breivik. Your calling everybody a nazi is something that only the most radically racist of Jewish groups do, such as the JDF and JIDF. The hatred you're holding onto is not doing you any good, my brother.

Is there another group of people who are being demonized and lied about to a similar degree?

I literally believe people like most of the people on this thread who spread lies and propaganda about Jews are -- on purpose -- working towards a second Holocaust. I accept that I can't stop them, but I'm not going to watch it happen silently.

Try to imagine if you didn't hate Jews. Try to imagine you were against the systematic extermination of the Jews. And try to imagine you were watching people openly marching the world towards a second Holocaust. What would you do?

You guys may have a day of celebration the day six million Jews are killed -- again. But after the celebrations calm down, I want you to remember me. If you have young kids, you will look at them and know that because of me you will never have grandkids. If you have young grandkids, know that because of me they will never have kids. Your family will die out, the same way you killed the Jews. And it is all because you couldn't take an objective look at the clear evidence in the world today. All because you had to focus on one small group of people while overlooking the much worse actions of much larger groups of people.

You have signed the death warrant of the Jews. And you have signed your own as well.

You sound like Irv Rubin... how did so much hate build up in you? What happened to you?

[Wilikon]

MTA Votes to Ban All Political Advertising After Judge OKs "Hamas Killing Jews" on City Buses

The nation's largest mass transit system has voted to ban all political advertising on its subways and buses after a judge ruled that a pro-Israel group was allowed to display an advertisement containing the phrase "Hamas Killing Jews" on New York City buses.
The resolution passed Wednesday by a vote of 9-2 at the MTA's board meeting after the finance committee approved it earlier in the week. The cash-strapped agency says such advertising only accounts for less than $1 million of its annual advertising revenue of $138 million.


"Advertisements expressing viewpoint messages, regardless of the viewpoint being expressed, would no longer be accepted," the MTA's general counsel, Jerome Page, told the committee on Monday.
New York follows in the footsteps of cities including Los Angeles, Chicago and Philadelphia, which already have banned political ads on public transit, Page said.


The lawsuit was filed last year by the American Freedom Defense Initiative after the MTA notified the group in August that it would display three of four proposed advertisements but not an ad with the quote "Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah" because it could incite violence. In the ad, a covered face is shown next to the quote, which is attributed to "Hamas MTV." It is followed by the words: "That's his Jihad. What's yours?"
Page said the decision to change MTA policy on advertising was prompted by safety concerns.


"We drew the line when we thought our customers, our employees and the public were in danger," he said. "The judge gave short shrift to those concerns."
The judge stayed the effect of the decision for a month so that it can be appealed. But the change in advertising policy would render an appeal unnecessary.


"Under the First Amendment, the fear of such spontaneous attacks, without more, cannot override individuals' rights to freedom of expression," U.S. District Court Judge John Koeltl said of the ruling.
Outspoken MTA board member Charles Moerdler was supportive of the decision.


"Hateful speech, with its odious appeal to intolerance, is the incendiary that ignites violence and ultimately destroys free and democratic institutions," Moerdler said.
But board member Allen Cappelli argued that, simply because a couple of "hateful people" have tried to abuse the privilege of free speech doesn't justify taking that right away from millions of others.


"I am really sad to see management attempting to go down this road," Cappelli said. "I believe very strongly that the antidote to hateful speech is more free speech."


http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/MTA-Political-Advertising-Ban-Pro-Israel-Subway-Bus-301651991.html

[J. J. Phillips]

Well, congratulations, Nazis. You win another round. Hamas and their surrogate Jihadis in CAIR get to spend years advertising lies about what "Jihad" means. Then as soon as someone tries to advertise about what "Jihad" really means they get silenced. You didn't even have to organize a Kristallnacht to silence her after all. The Nazi NYC government took care of it for you.

You guys really want me to criticize a Jew? Well, I can now oblige.

This man with his bullshit politician smile is Charles Moerdler.



He is a Jewish Holocaust survivor born in Paris, France.

And now he is a fucking Nazi collaborator.

He is now on the board of the MTA and voted to stop this ad from being shown.

Jews today would be safer if Charles Moerdler had been part of the six million.

Maybe in the end this thread will bring many enemies together. At last, we have one Jew we can all hate.

[no-ice-please]

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This is quite distasteful
If I saw this advertisment I would not support it, as the message could be presented in a better way.

The message consists of certain obvious propositions:

1. Jihad is a word primarily used to indicate a militant struggle by Muslims, and part of that struggle involves killing Jews.
2. There are people and groups (with lots of ad money) trying to give the false impression that this is not the primary use of the word Jihad.

Can you suggest a better way to present this? Most of the comments I've seen here just want two things: (1) shut up about Jihadis and (2) dead Jews.

Present what? You are not presenting, you are selling. The answer is stop selling shit.

[J. J. Phillips]

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This is quite distasteful
If I saw this advertisment I would not support it, as the message could be presented in a better way.

The message consists of certain obvious propositions:

1. Jihad is a word primarily used to indicate a militant struggle by Muslims, and part of that struggle involves killing Jews.
2. There are people and groups (with lots of ad money) trying to give the false impression that this is not the primary use of the word Jihad.

Can you suggest a better way to present this? Most of the comments I've seen here just want two things: (1) shut up about Jihadis and (2) dead Jews.

Present what? You are not presenting, you are selling. The answer is stop selling shit.

Hmm. This is such a strange response that it leads me to think there was a misunderstanding. The user EternalWingsofGod said "the message could be presented in a better way." I asked what that better way was. In my question I made sure to be clear what the message of the ad was. If he or she thinks the message of the ad is something different, then I'm sure he or she will say so in the response. Did you think the message of the ad was something different than I said? I mean, are you aware of the CAIR run "my jihad" ad campaign that this ad was a response to?

Anyway, it's an academic discussion. It's now officially forbidden to say Jihad is bad. I suppose dealing with that will have to be my struggle. Or one could say "my jihad." I guess since we have some idiot on the thread now pretending to be Hitler he can let us know how to say "my struggle" in German.

[J. J. Phillips]

Actually, that gives me an idea for an alternative ad campaign.

[EternalWingsofGod]

This is quite distasteful
If I saw this advertisment I would not support it, as the message could be presented in a better way.

The message consists of certain obvious propositions:

1. Jihad is a word primarily used to indicate a militant struggle by Muslims, and part of that struggle involves killing Jews.
2. There are people and groups (with lots of ad money) trying to give the false impression that this is not the primary use of the word Jihad.

Can you suggest a better way to present this? Most of the comments I've seen here just want two things: (1) shut up about Jihadis and (2) dead Jews.

Since you asked it doesn't take a partisan ad to get a message sent.

The same message can be done in a less offensive way, perhaps remove the Jihadist picture, remove the reference to Jihad and reframe it as an informational advertisment.

The reason this is controversial in my opinion is because they quoted a radical message to get their own point across, a neutral approach could be just as effective.

Perhaps something along the lines of

"Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah" Hamas MTV

War is never the answer, fight for a world where we can all worship together in peace.

With a picture of two peoples hands holding an Israeli and Muslim flag holding a globe together

Get a message with a clear point across that doesn't ask for more blood on everyones hands, as the current one implies or leave a bad taste in some peoples mouths, while implying the need for stability and support towards the end goal that is peace.

(The What's yours reference in the ad means sending Israel more weapons and military aid to address the issue instead of trying to find another path towards peace and stability in my opinion)

Although considering what Bibi promised his constituents to get votes, I can see where the Israeli lobby is getting its policy ideas from.
(Pretends not to notice that it's harder to find the related articles on this topic in google related to his twitter tweet it seems to be getting buried)
"The right-wing government is in danger. Arab voters are heading to the polling stations in droves. Left-wing NGOs are bringing them in buses."
http://wallwritings.me/2015/03/22/bibi-wins-with-racism-and-revoked-promise/


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An update to this topic the New York transit system just passed a political ban because of this one ad and the judges statement.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/29/new-york-city-mta-bans-political-ads-hamas-killing-jews

The nation’s largest mass transit system has banned all political advertising on its subways and buses after a judge ruled that a pro-Israel group was allowed to display an advertisement containing the phrase “Killing Jews” on New York City buses.

The resolution passed Wednesday at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s board meeting.

“Advertisements expressing viewpoint messages, regardless of the viewpoint being expressed, would no longer be accepted,” the MTA’s general counsel, Jerome Page, told the committee on Monday.

...

“Hateful speech, with its odious appeal to intolerance, is the incendiary that ignites violence and ultimately destroys free and democratic institutions,” Moerdler said.

But board member Allen Cappelli argued that simply because a couple of “hateful people” have tried to abuse the privilege of free speech doesn’t justify taking that right away from millions of others.

“I am really sad to see management attempting to go down this road,” Cappelli said. “I believe very strongly that the antidote to hateful speech is more free speech.”


New York is following in the footsteps of cities including Los Angeles, Chicago and Philadelphia, which already have banned political ads on public transit, Page said.
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