Akhand Bharat - United India : Should it happen ?

[Muhammed Zakir]

I want vote, why not can vote me ?

You mean you cant vote on the poll ? Maybe cuz you're still a newbie on this forum ??

Yes. Newbies can't vote. You can vote when you become Jr. Member. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0.

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guess what our HINDU religion promoted Sati system for hundreds of years and still now in remote villages 8 year old KIDS are married off to old men.

Those things happened hundreds of years ago. They are not going on now. Even in Europe people used to get married when they were 12 or 13 years old. The Hindu religion (and most of the other religions) has transformed itself, dumping barbaric rituals such as Sati and child marriage. But there are a few sects in world where these things are going on even now. And none of these sects are Hindu.

That's not true. Hindu sects also are included in child marraige.

[legendster]

LOL! I dint know that only India was facing these problems. When I ask outsiders about their country, why do they keep cribbing about their country too facing poverty, crime, corruption and so on. If we check, every country does have certain minus points as compared to plus points. No country is perfect in that respect.


Regarding Akhand Bharat: I don't support this unison as each country is happy being an independent country. There would be many problems if we think about their unity and calling them just Bharat.

The thing is, all the neighbors around India have an anti India sentiment these days. Specially Pakistan which even have a silent movement called Ghazwatul Hind where the muslims take over India and establish some kind of Muslim rule here.

The chinese have increased their border reinforcements and have built roads and train networks throughout the Himalayan border with us as if it was getting ready for a war.

Burma have always been kind of hostile towards us and are the leading reason for which a large part of our North East still remains under developed.

So if United India were to ever happen, the first thing we would need to do would be to educate an entire generation about each other, about our shared cultural and geographical histories. Off course our differences have been magnified over the last century but if only we could open up to each other then everyone would find out that we have a lot more in common than what we previously thought.

[legendster]

guess what our HINDU religion promoted Sati system for hundreds of years and still now in remote villages 8 year old KIDS are married off to old men.

Those things happened hundreds of years ago. They are not going on now. Even in Europe people used to get married when they were 12 or 13 years old. The Hindu religion (and most of the other religions) has transformed itself, dumping barbaric rituals such as Sati and child marriage. But there are a few sects in world where these things are going on even now. And none of these sects are Hindu.

Dude this why I say people should first educate themselves about a topic before they speak of it.

Sati system is still a burning issue, a few years ago a Sati issue was raised in the paper when a woman in Rajasthan was put on the pyre ALIVE with her husband. The last official sati was Roop Kanwar which was JUST 28 years ago.

And underage marriage ? Dude my own mother's young sister was married off at the age of 7. It is still a very much active issue. People are either marrying off their young underage daughters or killing them (before & after birth) or simply abandoning them in DUMPSTERS. Irrespective of their religion.

[legendster]

That's not true. Hindu sects also are included in child marraige.

Every religion at one point of time or the other promoted child marriage.

See how much misinformation is spread through our veins ? We must first eradicate this.

[anirgu]

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In fact the U.S. has not invaded a country now in quite some time, a few years at least. We could sweep through India and all those other countries easily. Then greater India would have a lot more territory, but it would be called the United States.
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I love this line. So true

[legendster]

In fact the U.S. has not invaded a country now in quite some time, a few years at least. We could sweep through India and all those other countries easily. Then greater India would have a lot more territory, but it would be called the United States.

I love this line. So true
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You know what's even true-er ?? If one Call center here went on strike 5% of the US population would starve to death.

You whats more true-er than that ? The fighter jets that we ordered from the US which essentially pulled US out of their 08 crisis, we could use those same jets to obliterate your state of California.

You wanna love something even true-er than that ? our gravies taste better than your mustard sauces.

[anirgu]

But we shouldnt forget one fact. Religion is stupid. It is fake, it is a form of mind control, a form of herding the sheep. That sheep is the common man, every religion had one agenda and no it was not 'peace', it was the illusion of peace through fear and subjugation.

Hindu, muslim, sikh, Buddhists, Jains, Tengris (lol) all are and were ALWAYS Indians.
They just started believing in different imaginary concepts at different points in time thats all.


This was good also

[anirgu]

You know what's even true-er ?? If one Call center here went on strike 5% of the US population would starve to death. - funny, but it's bull shit

You whats more true-er than that ? The fighter jets that we ordered from the US which essentially pulled US out of their 08 crisis, we could use those same jets to obliterate your state of California.

1) What fighter jets?, that order was cancelled. India couldn't rely on USA politically so it doesn't make sense to buy military equipment from them. 2) There may have been laws associated with them from carrying Nuclear weapons. I don't really care, I don't think America deserved that deal anyway. India can trust Russia and they came to its aid when Reagan snubbed Indira Gandhi. Last I heard India was trying to do a deal with France for the Rafale and we all know India loves their MIGs. But this is all moot, because Indian politicians all have their hand in the kitty and the corruption is so rampant only a bloody revolution can solve the problem. Let's not froget India doesn't even have enough bullets to fight a war, especially if it needs to fight China for another loss.

You wanna love something even true-er than that ? our gravies taste better than your mustard sauces. - I can't argue with that

The British are owed a lot of credit for building the train infrastructure in India, giving India English and building pretty much all the dope buildings in the country that service Government. Too bad the Indian Railway system is in shambles.

I can say this, I love India and I can see you do too,  but don't be blinded bro it only sets us back.

[Lethn]

Looks suspiciously like Empire building to me, so no thanks, I am against that kind of plan on principle because I am an Anarchist. If you want to form a defensive alliance maybe to prevent yourself being picked on by superpowers then sure that makes sense, but turning that whole landmass into one state? No thanks.

[anirgu]

agree. if anything we need zero boundaries

[legendster]

Looks suspiciously like Empire building to me, so no thanks, I am against that kind of plan on principle because I am an Anarchist. If you want to form a defensive alliance maybe to prevent yourself being picked on by superpowers then sure that makes sense, but turning that whole landmass into one state? No thanks.

Well you just parroted the sentiment of 1940-50 America / UK.
Watch this interview of VK Krishna Menon from that era :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylzRZA5-zs

It has always been the same mentality used against India "If you're not with us, then surely you are against us"

Its high time you white-breds (racist much ?) pull your heads out of your asses & stop thwarting what we stand for.

[thebitcoinquiz.com]

Cause they are the kind of Muslims I don't want in our nation and at least I consider them to follow Islam and I don't how know how many of such people are there I Pakistan, and I would never want them to come to India.

The thing is, it is not religion or a particular religion which promotes a misdeed, its the human society that uses religion as a cloak to commit such crimes and point fingers. Like it or not those kind of people are already here in our country and they are not particularly muslim, they have been here for a long time, you cant 'Filter' your population based on religion then that would be STUPID.

You want a better India? then abolish all religion here, exile everyone that follows a diety / god or goes to a temple or mosque.

We Hindus are so stupid that we went to the streets with swords and lathis to tear down posters of a movie which criticized our religion, we are THAT IGNORANT here. Religion made us that way.

Open your mind for once and ask yourself what if your parents were muslim ? What if you were teased in school as a terrorist ? What if people looked at you awkwardly whenever a 9/11 or 26/11 debate arose. You are a human first THEN a Hindu.

Never said that what Hindus do is all correct. We are equally wrong in many of our stupid acts and I still see Indian Muslims as nice and good human beings. But why do you want to merge us with the animals?

Looks suspiciously like Empire building to me, so no thanks, I am against that kind of plan on principle because I am an Anarchist. If you want to form a defensive alliance maybe to prevent yourself being picked on by superpowers then sure that makes sense, but turning that whole landmass into one state? No thanks.

Assuming that you are an American, do you still have the rights to criticize the act of "Empire Building"?

[Lethn]

Looks suspiciously like Empire building to me, so no thanks, I am against that kind of plan on principle because I am an Anarchist. If you want to form a defensive alliance maybe to prevent yourself being picked on by superpowers then sure that makes sense, but turning that whole landmass into one state? No thanks.

Well you just parroted the sentiment of 1940-50 America / UK.
Watch this interview of VK Krishna Menon from that era :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylzRZA5-zs

It has always been the same mentality used against India "If you're not with us, then surely you are against us"

Its high time you white-breds (racist much ?) pull your heads out of your asses & stop thwarting what we stand for.

Boooo! Racist! Booooo! That's fucking fantastic.

More like you're using that logic by claiming that anybody who disagrees with you is a racist, I gave you my reasoning, I'm against Empire building, you're basically trying to claim the colonisation of entire peoples is a good thing and I find that heavily ironic given us British went and took over a good chunk of that continent along with a lot of other western european powers.

Didn't you learn anything from Ghandi about Imperialism and what it can do to the people being subjugated by it? You're a fucking moron, I love how there are posters here trying to claim because I'm white and British/American ( I'm actually British but go figure ) that I'm somehow not entitled to an opinion on Imperialism, you guys just lost the argument completely.

[legendster]

Looks suspiciously like Empire building to me, so no thanks, I am against that kind of plan on principle because I am an Anarchist. If you want to form a defensive alliance maybe to prevent yourself being picked on by superpowers then sure that makes sense, but turning that whole landmass into one state? No thanks.

Well you just parroted the sentiment of 1940-50 America / UK.
Watch this interview of VK Krishna Menon from that era :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylzRZA5-zs

It has always been the same mentality used against India "If you're not with us, then surely you are against us"

Its high time you white-breds (racist much ?) pull your heads out of your asses & stop thwarting what we stand for.

Boooo! Racist! Booooo! That's fucking fantastic.

More like you're using that logic by claiming that anybody who disagrees with you is a racist, I gave you my reasoning, I'm against Empire building, you're basically trying to claim the colonisation of entire peoples is a good thing and I find that heavily ironic given us British went and took over a good chunk of that continent along with a lot of other western european powers.

Didn't you learn anything from Ghandi about Imperialism and what it can do to the people being subjugated by it? You're a fucking moron, I love how there are posters here trying to claim because I'm white and British/American ( I'm actually British but go figure ) that I'm somehow not entitled to an opinion on Imperialism, you guys just lost the argument completely.

Its one thing to have an opinion, and completely another thing to be hypocrites. The US had it's own regional imperialism and look where they are today, are you saying any state that associated itself with the Americans are regretting their decisions these days?

Why is it wrong all of a sudden if Russia annexes Crimea ? Why is it wrong if India annexes Goa ? (already did) Why is it wrong for people in South asia to unite their countries that share a cultural history for the benefit of their own people ?

I am not saying that India and Papua New Guinea should unite, I am not saying that India and Australia should unite. I am only talking about the greater India region is that too hard to get through into your thick skull you bigot ?

[Lethn]

How am I a hypocrite? Basically what you're doing is you're trying to write off an entire generation for what their ancestors did a generation or two ago, stop having such a victim complex and trying to blame me, I haven't done shit to you aside from call you out on your own bullshit. It's all wrong because innocent people get caught up in your nationalist circle jerk and you don't give a shit as long as you can take that land for yourself, you people are no better than the Nazis, calling me racist because I disagree with you is just fucking ridiculous.

[erikalui]

Interesting to see how a discussion about United India turns into a battle between Indians vs Indians and Indians vs other countries. Sati, child marriage, religions, racism and all sorts of abusive comments being shared here. Forget uniting India with it's neighborhood countries, Indians aren't united themselves. And for heaven's sake, it's not Ghandi but Gandhi.

I don't even understand how are other countries getting affected if this Akhand Bharat unison happens? Why so much hatred for India? India doesn't have the bullets to fight any war? That's news to me. India isn't a country consisting of beggars and we may not be as rich as other countries but Indians do not believe in leaving their children at the age of 14-15 years like other foreign countries which have mostly nuclear families and their children start having live-in relationships at the age of 14-15 years. My cousins too live in Australia and there it's considered a joke if a girl doesn't have a boyfriend at the age of 13-14 years. There may be crimes taking place here and women feeling insecure here but that's the problem with each and every country and India is not alone in this matter.


Instead of bringing down a country, look at the positives as well.

[Lethn]

I like India's Democracy I wish we had that many parties in our country and I'm not bringing down the country just stupid nationalists, insulting countries is something I reserve specifically for the UK lol

[erikalui]

I like India's Democracy I wish we had that many parties in our country and I'm not bringing down the country just stupid nationalists, insulting countries is something I reserve specifically for the UK lol

LOL! UK and India will always have that negativity due to past events. But not all Indians hate UK citizens because of that as there are UK stars who are acting in Bollywood as well 

The fact that hurts few here are that many people suffered due to the British rule. Many women were raped and made slaves while people used to fear to leave their houses as they would be arrested if anything went wrong. My ancestors as well were their slaves and hence they shifted to Indonesia during these years.


It's time that we need to forget the past events and move on in life. Nobody profits by just digging up old matters and spreading hate. 'Live and let live' is what I believe in.

[Lethn]

It's people like Legendster who you need to convince of that, nevermind the fact that I'm half-irish so I find it even funnier that he's lecturing me.

[legendster]

I like India's Democracy I wish we had that many parties in our country and I'm not bringing down the country just stupid nationalists, insulting countries is something I reserve specifically for the UK lol

LOL! UK and India will always have that negativity due to past events. But not all Indians hate UK citizens because of that as there are UK stars who are acting in Bollywood as well 

The fact that hurts few here are that many people suffered due to the British rule. Many women were raped and made slaves while people used to fear to leave their houses as they would be arrested if anything went wrong. My ancestors as well were their slaves and hence they shifted to Indonesia during these years.


It's time that we need to forget the past events and move on in life. Nobody profits by just digging up old matters and spreading hate. 'Live and let live' is what I believe in.

I am an Indian and my ancestors from both my mother's side & father's side have remained here as far as I can tell.
So with that said let me tell you something, those accounts of britts raping and pillaging are true but only to some extent, you have to remember that most of the soldiers here initially were just hired mercs here to protect the trade routes. Even then the britts were not the original traders/pillagers who cam here actually they came here the last, it was the Dutch and Portuguese that did the most pillaging & raping in the early 16th century, most bookworms would recognize the term 'The Black hole of Kolkata' which was an incident that was by some accounts under reported but had enough potency to shake things up in London that they started sanctioning royal troops to come here.

Raping & pillaging did occur, but it is exaggerated to some extent. Most of the deaths here were due to famine as Britts forced Zamindars (land lords) to produce more cash crops like Opium in turn leading to slave labor & so on. Things were particularly bad for the farmers.