Akhand Bharat - United India : Should it happen ?

[legendster]

It's people like Legendster who you need to convince of that, nevermind the fact that I'm half-irish so I find it even funnier that he's lecturing me.

Remind me what ? Why are you asking someone else to do your job ? Would you White-breds ever learn to do your own work yourself ??
I am not digging up old graves, this isnt old, in my point of view it should happen in the future. Whether the people in these region are open minded enough to look far forward into this direction is another issue.

[tvbcof]

Give it up.  India will always be a disputed zone.



BTW, don't forget to take your 'polio' shots.

[Lethn]

It's people like Legendster who you need to convince of that, nevermind the fact that I'm half-irish so I find it even funnier that he's lecturing me.

Remind me what ? Why are you asking someone else to do your job ? Would you White-breds ever learn to do your own work yourself ??
I am not digging up old graves, this isnt old, in my point of view it should happen in the future. Whether the people in these region are open minded enough to look far forward into this direction is another issue.

Maybe if you stopped ranting about me being white I'd be able to take you more seriously, frankly I think in this day and age the only people who have any right to rant about the 'white man' are the American Indians, not that you'd ever give a shit about them or even have any knowledge of them given that your thought process doesn't extend beyond what landmass you were born on.

The reason I'm asking him, is because you're becoming too stupid for me to talk to, you're using ancestral history as an excuse for targeting people of a certain skin colour.

[legendster]

It's people like Legendster who you need to convince of that, nevermind the fact that I'm half-irish so I find it even funnier that he's lecturing me.

Remind me what ? Why are you asking someone else to do your job ? Would you White-breds ever learn to do your own work yourself ??
I am not digging up old graves, this isnt old, in my point of view it should happen in the future. Whether the people in these region are open minded enough to look far forward into this direction is another issue.

Maybe if you stopped ranting about me being white I'd be able to take you more seriously, frankly I think in this day and age the only people who have any right to rant about the 'white man' are the American Indians, not that you'd ever give a shit about them or even have any knowledge of them given that your thought process doesn't extend beyond what landmass you were born on.

The reason I'm asking him, is because you're becoming too stupid for me to talk to, you're using ancestral history as an excuse for targeting people of a certain skin colour.

Hold your horses white boy,
Yes, It doesnt matter what your opinion is about the Native Indians, fact remains that in the current age it is us who face discrimination cuz of our color, and it just goes to show everyone that how touchy the world is about color, it is ok if the avg European ginger makes some racist comment on any other skin color but oh all mighty the hell will unleash it's fiery demons that will swallow all mankind should a non white make a racist white joke.

Yes in all sense my racist remarks are nothing more than jokes which should be read with a pinch of salt. I am by default against racism of any sorts.

However it is remarkable that you Mr Irish potato, have made up your mind and convinced yourself that you know me and know what I dont know or what I do know.

The genocide the Jews faced, the native Indians faced isnt in anyway relevant to the context of this topic. If you were talking about the Burmese genocide, or the Kashmiri genocide or the Tibetan suppression then I'd be interested to hear / discuss more about it.

[legendster]

.. you're using ancestral history as an excuse for targeting people of a certain skin colour.

Are you high ?? The hell are you talking about ?

[bryant.coleman]

It's people like Legendster who you need to convince of that, nevermind the fact that I'm half-irish so I find it even funnier that he's lecturing me.

I have already added him to the ignore list, and I think you should also do the same. Don't tolerate or encourage name calling and trolling. I am of the opinion that if someone can't keep the conversation civil, then he should take his verbal diarrhoea to somewhere else. The Politics & Society subsection was created for conducting civil and friendly debates.

I like India's Democracy I wish we had that many parties in our country and I'm not bringing down the country just stupid nationalists, insulting countries is something I reserve specifically for the UK lol

Having a multi-party system does have its own disadvantages. Check the performance of the UPA government from 2004 to 2014.

[legendster]

Don't tolerate or encourage name calling and trolling. I am of the opinion that if someone can't keep the conversation civil, then he should take his verbal diarrhoea to somewhere else.  

Classic case of bigotry. Keep it up. You kinda remind me of the kid that ends up naked on the street and closes his eyes while telling himself if only he doesnt look at everyone then no one would look at him.

So go ahead and close your eyes and pretend I dont exist

But just so we're clear, I am not lecturing anyone, I am just expressing my opinion, defending point of views that I strongly believe in. If any Tom, Dick or Harry can come here and be offensive to me or my country then I wont go as quietly into that good night.

[ahmedjadoon]

I don't think it's possible for two to unite. India is so called secular state but it is rules by religious fundamentalist. Asian nations will never come out of this religious hostility. So I don't think "united india" is a good idea. It will cause problems beyond your imagination.

[legendster]

I don't think it's possible for two to unite. India is so called secular state but it is rules by religious fundamentalist. Asian nations will never come out of this religious hostility. So I don't think "united india" is a good idea. It will cause problems beyond your imagination.

Can you enlighten me about at least one internal bill or law which is designed by 'religious fundamentalists' ? Or at least 1 bill or law which undermines any religion ?
I am guessing you are from India rent you ?

I also hope you noticed that the idea is about the political merger of more than just two nations.


You say that India is ruled by religious fundamentalists but you keep forgetting that no one actually rules India, it is a democracy not a monarchy.

[anirgu]

legendster? shiv sena and the beef ban?

[legendster]

legendster? shiv sena and the beef ban?

Shiv sena to me is what the republic of Texas is to the Americans.
Democracy in its design is meant for the masses, IF the majority of people here are not so open minded about beef business then such a business will not happen, but the fact that they had to 'create a ban' simply implies that such businesses were thriving here and were hurting the religious sentiments of a few old school powerful people.
The beef ban is a 'thing' for some politicians to stay relevant to their far right mentality and nothing more.

Think about it, in a country filled with farmers and inconsistent soil composition through out it's geography things like 'beef ban' can only be a passing phase. It literally makes the poor more poorer by reducing their income opportunities. Cattle is by far the most common livestock followed by sheep and pigs and when the cultivation fails the farmers HAVE to turn to the beef market - which they have been doing for a long time. As far as I can remember the beef ban was in Maharashtra only, not the entire country.
Despite this little popularity stunt of a political party, India is still one of the largest beef exporters to China, Japan and pretty much to the rest of the world.

[anirgu]

can't disagree with anything you just said. i will only add that historically beef was what has sustained the poorest class in this country. they need protein just like everyone else. i think this is just a phase. even modi has not jumped on any of these right wing bandwagons.

one more thing..., texas is a bad comparison to make IMHO

i am from karnataka, but i look at maharashtra as the new york of india, that is why i was surprised by this ban. texas is more like bihar if anything

[goxed]

It would make sense to unite all the english speaking parts of SE Asia into a free-trade, free-movement Union.

[ahmedjadoon]

I don't think it's possible for two to unite. India is so called secular state but it is rules by religious fundamentalist. Asian nations will never come out of this religious hostility. So I don't think "united india" is a good idea. It will cause problems beyond your imagination.

Can you enlighten me about at least one internal bill or law which is designed by 'religious fundamentalists' ? Or at least 1 bill or law which undermines any religion ?
I am guessing you are from India rent you ?

I also hope you noticed that the idea is about the political merger of more than just two nations.


You say that India is ruled by religious fundamentalists but you keep forgetting that no one actually rules India, it is a democracy not a monarchy.

I'm from Pakistan.
No matter how secular Indian/Pakistani governments are masses will always be "religious fundamentalist". Main reason for division was this religious prejudice.

[legendster]

can't disagree with anything you just said. i will only add that historically beef was what has sustained the poorest class in this country. they need protein just like everyone else. i think this is just a phase. even modi has not jumped on any of these right wing bandwagons.

one more thing..., texas is a bad comparison to make IMHO

i am from karnataka, but i look at maharashtra as the new york of india, that is why i was surprised by this ban. texas is more like bihar if anything

If you look at Maharashtra as the New York STATE of India then you'd be grossly mistaken. Maharashtra only has a few cities which are of 'world standards' as compared to New York state there are some striking similarities to both these states however.

Regardless,

To me Shiv sena / CITU / Forward Blocks are all 'phase parties' they come up out of nowhere all of a sudden with their extreme right / left mentality create a bit of stir & then they disappear just as fast as they appeared.

If you wanna compare the texan separatist mentality then it can be compared to the random isolated separatists movements of Andhra Pradesh / Telangana / Kashmir / Hyderabad / Gorkhaland / Nagaland every country has these kinds of internal political stunts without which the people behind these movements feel 'ignored' .. these politicians are more like those hormone fueled teenagers who stomp out of their parent's room threatening to leave the house if a certain 'I-Pod' isnt bought.

[legendster]

It would make sense to unite all the english speaking parts of SE Asia into a free-trade, free-movement Union.

Agreed, but maybe not to just the 'English Speakers' South Asia was ruled by the French, Dutch, Portuguese, Japanese, German (in China), prior to making any kind of pro merger political party they must make strengthen the trade relations, attempts have been made by forming an organization called SAARC, but Civics books in Junior High schools teach children that SAARC is a failed concept & nothing more.

[legendster]

I don't think it's possible for two to unite. India is so called secular state but it is rules by religious fundamentalist. Asian nations will never come out of this religious hostility. So I don't think "united india" is a good idea. It will cause problems beyond your imagination.

Can you enlighten me about at least one internal bill or law which is designed by 'religious fundamentalists' ? Or at least 1 bill or law which undermines any religion ?
I am guessing you are from India rent you ?

I also hope you noticed that the idea is about the political merger of more than just two nations.


You say that India is ruled by religious fundamentalists but you keep forgetting that no one actually rules India, it is a democracy not a monarchy.

I'm from Pakistan.
No matter how secular Indian/Pakistani governments are masses will always be "religious fundamentalist". Main reason for division was this religious prejudice.

Haha you just helped me prove my point yet again, MOST of you guys know nothing about us and MOST of us know next to nothing about you and since the 'empty head is home to the devil' we come up with these weird misconceptions about each other.
For your information, Pakistani government is not secular, it was never meant to be, when the division happened it was thought that Pakistan was a separate country founded on the basis of providing home to a religious minority community it wasnt decided then that it'd become an islamic state, however your governments chose to side with the middle east and against Indian government & then turned into an islamic state.
Even to this day the power struggle between Rawalpindi and Islamabad turns deadly at a moment's notice and who suffers ? its us the common people.

Its not that hard to google videos and see what the kids in the schools of Pakistan are taught about the Indian government and the Indians in general, its systematic brainwash fueled by a national identity crisis and the only way I see that getting fixed is by removing the factor which started this whole fiasco viz-a-viz the partition.

[panju1]

It would make sense to unite all the english speaking parts of SE Asia into a free-trade, free-movement Union.

This would be something which should aspired for. India does have trade agreements with various countries. This can be extended to make it a giant free trade zone. If we can't have free trade across the world, we should at least have a substantial block which is a free trade zone.

Free movement will be a big challenge. Most countries wouldn't want the poor of other countries to migrate. Checking terrorists/fundamentalists from crossing over is also a big problem.

[ahmedjadoon]

I don't think it's possible for two to unite. India is so called secular state but it is rules by religious fundamentalist. Asian nations will never come out of this religious hostility. So I don't think "united india" is a good idea. It will cause problems beyond your imagination.

Can you enlighten me about at least one internal bill or law which is designed by 'religious fundamentalists' ? Or at least 1 bill or law which undermines any religion ?
I am guessing you are from India rent you ?

I also hope you noticed that the idea is about the political merger of more than just two nations.


You say that India is ruled by religious fundamentalists but you keep forgetting that no one actually rules India, it is a democracy not a monarchy.

I'm from Pakistan.
No matter how secular Indian/Pakistani governments are masses will always be "religious fundamentalist". Main reason for division was this religious prejudice.

Haha you just helped me prove my point yet again, MOST of you guys know nothing about us and MOST of us know next to nothing about you and since the 'empty head is home to the devil' we come up with these weird misconceptions about each other.
For your information, Pakistani government is not secular, it was never meant to be, when the division happened it was thought that Pakistan was a separate country founded on the basis of providing home to a religious minority community it wasnt decided then that it'd become an islamic state, however your governments chose to side with the middle east and against Indian government & then turned into an islamic state.
Even to this day the power struggle between Rawalpindi and Islamabad turns deadly at a moment's notice and who suffers ? its us the common people.

Its not that hard to google videos and see what the kids in the schools of Pakistan are taught about the Indian government and the Indians in general, its systematic brainwash fueled by a national identity crisis and the only way I see that getting fixed is by removing the factor which started this whole fiasco viz-a-viz the partition.

Secularism will never take roots in Indian society. The mindset of most Indians is this way. There is news every other day about religious prejudices faced by muslims in India. Pakistan government on the other hand does not make any false claim of secularism as it's not literally possible in subcontinent.

[bryant.coleman]

Secularism will never take roots in Indian society. The mindset of most Indians is this way. There is news every other day about religious prejudices faced by muslims in India. Pakistan government on the other hand does not make any false claim of secularism as it's not literally possible in subcontinent.

Muslims face religious prejudice in India? What about the Hindus and Christians who are living in Pakistan or Afghanistan? Are they enjoying their life without any discrimination? In India, the only group which faces discrimination is the Hindus. They were driven out of Kashmir, they were nearly exterminated in Mizoram, and it is close to impossible for a Hindu to obtain a residence permit in the Lakshadweep.