CA passes law condemning anti-semitism as Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC report

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Oh wait, not a single one of them have an article about the condemnation of free speech by the most populous state in the union.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-zunes/california-state-assembly_b_1842841.html

The California State Assembly has just passed a bipartisan resolution (HR 35) by voice vote which constitutes a serious attack on academic freedom and the rights of students and faculty to raise awareness about human rights abuses by U.S.-backed governments. While purporting to put the legislature on record in opposition of anti-Semitism on state university campuses, it defines anti-Semitism so widely as to include legitimate political activities in opposition to Israeli government policies.

Isn't that just a touch odd?

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[dotcom]

Israel is the new nazi germany in so many ways, it's sad that people can't see it

It's George Orwells vision, he just got the date wrong

[vampire]

Israel is the new nazi germany in so many ways, it's sad that people can't see it

Enlighten me. And really go into the detail of the comparison. Let's start with a simple one.... How many Palestinians did Israeli murder in the last 60 years? Now how many Israelis were murdered.

[k3t3r]

since the year 2000
6568 palestinians killed by conflict 1452 of these were children

1096 israelis killed in the conflict 124 of these were children

source http://www.btselem.org/

[k3t3r]

Israel is the new nazi germany in so many ways, it's sad that people can't see it

It's George Orwells vision, he just got the date wrong

some people dont see it because the zionist owned media give a distorted view of the world.

[vampire]

since the year 2000
6568 palestinians killed by conflict 1452 of these were children

1096 israelis killed in the conflict 124 of these were children

source http://www.btselem.org/

Since 1949: ~15k Palestinians vs 6k Israelis
At the same time Arabs killed more Palestinians than Israelis in the same time period.

Now where's genocide? I would expect hundreds of thousands, but Palestinian population more than quadrupled.

[dotcom]

Israel is the new nazi germany in so many ways, it's sad that people can't see it

Enlighten me. And really go into the detail of the comparison. Let's start with a simple one.... How many Palestinians did Israeli murder in the last 60 years? Now how many Israelis were murdered.

ok

since the year 2000
6568 palestinians killed by conflict 1452 of these were children

1096 israelis killed in the conflict 124 of these were children

i've come across the same numbers, different site, same source:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html


and before all these brainwashed pro-Israeli people scream lies, please look at who operates B'Tselem

[dotcom]

At the same time Arabs killed more Palestinians than Israelis in the same time period.

Why do people, when defending either themselves or someone else of a crime, always point
to another party who's done worse?

That's like me murdering someone in cold blood, and then pointing to a convicted serial killer
at my trial and saying "I shouldn't be held responsible because he's done worse".

And another thing, atleast we HEAR about all the horrible things arab-extremist groups like the
Taliban do, but unless you visit low-hit count backwater sites you'll NEVER hear about the
crimes Israel has committed.

[ElectricMucus]

How does being an out-right nazi constitute academic freedom?  

Plus such attitudes are probably outlawed in the campus etiquette anyway.

[dotcom]

How does being an out-right nazi constitute academic freedom?  

Plus such attitudes are probably outlawed in the campus etiquette anyway.

this:

"While purporting to put the legislature on record in opposition of anti-Semitism on state university campuses, it defines anti-Semitism so widely as to include legitimate political activities in opposition to Israeli government policies."

this is honestly the problem, no one can speak agaisnt Israel because it's almost immediately labeled as being anti-semitic. The two aren't the same thing

[k3t3r]

the comparison to Nazi germany should not be made on the  number of deaths but on the intention of the regime. it is the intention of the zionist to become the dominant race and to have all other races (goyim) as slaves.

for those who are not aware of the protocols of zion it is worth readng to shed some light on many of the world milatary and econominc events since the creation of the state of israel http://www.aztlan.net/protocols.htm

[dotcom]

the comparison to Nazi germany should not be made on the  number of deaths but on the intention of the regime. it is the intention of the zionist to become the dominant race and to have all other races (goyim) as slaves.

for those who are not aware of the protocols of zion it is worth readng to shed some light on many of the world milatary and econominc events since the creation of the state of israel http://www.aztlan.net/protocols.htm

I'll agree with this, I guess it was a generalized comparison. Many of the practices of the two regimes are the same (and that was my point) but the scale of their crimes is vastly different and I recognize that.

[ElectricMucus]

How does being an out-right nazi constitute academic freedom?  

Plus such attitudes are probably outlawed in the campus etiquette anyway.

this:

"While purporting to put the legislature on record in opposition of anti-Semitism on state university campuses, it defines anti-Semitism so widely as to include legitimate political activities in opposition to Israeli government policies."

this is honestly the problem, no one can speak agaisnt Israel because it's almost immediately labeled as being anti-semitic. The two aren't the same thing

That's the whole Zionism vs. anti-Zionism debate. Frankly I don't hold much of it.
It's the typical attack vector of actual Jew-haters (don't have to be a nazi) to justify their racial agenda.

Show me a curt where such legislation led to punishment of valid criticism of Israels affairs and I might reconsider...

[dotcom]

Show me a curt where such legislation led to punishment of valid criticism of Israels affairs and I might reconsider...

I really like when people bring up counter-arguments, it's a nice change from the 'bash and run' politics of today. It forces
both sides to either reconsider their argument or strengthen it.

I'll admit, I've heard a-lot about anti-Israeli activists being completely misrepresented, criminalized, and sometimes silenced, but I don't
think I've ever heard of or read about someone actually being legally prosecuted for it.

I did dig up these though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BPW7ilglRE&feature=player_embedded
http://www.imemc.org/article/63732
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/61841/call-prosecute-anti-israel-proms-protesters

most of them seem to be half-measures or idle threats though

[vampire]

At the same time Arabs killed more Palestinians than Israelis in the same time period.

Why do people, when defending either themselves or someone else of a crime, always point
to another party who's done worse?

That's like me murdering someone in cold blood, and then pointing to a convicted serial killer
at my trial and saying "I shouldn't be held responsible because he's done worse".

And another thing, atleast we HEAR about all the horrible things arab-extremist groups like the
Taliban do, but unless you visit low-hit count backwater sites you'll NEVER hear about the
crimes Israel has committed.

Because you're trying to prove genocide. Everything done in comparison, you murder probably a million germs a day. Here you go, you're a damn nazi according to your own silly logic.

[Atlas]

I don't think the current jurisdiction Israel was worth killing a single Palestinian over. I don't find it worth a single Palestinian eviction. I don't think it's worth all the Palestinian children now living in razor-wired slums.

If being against any murder or action of force committed by Israel is racism, then call me a racist. I find the atrocities committed by Israel as abhorrent as Nazi Germany.

[Atlas]

At the same time Arabs killed more Palestinians than Israelis in the same time period.

Why do people, when defending either themselves or someone else of a crime, always point
to another party who's done worse?

That's like me murdering someone in cold blood, and then pointing to a convicted serial killer
at my trial and saying "I shouldn't be held responsible because he's done worse".

And another thing, atleast we HEAR about all the horrible things arab-extremist groups like the
Taliban do, but unless you visit low-hit count backwater sites you'll NEVER hear about the
crimes Israel has committed.

Because you're trying to prove genocide. Everything done in comparison, you murder probably a million germs a day. Here you go, you're a damn nazi according to your own silly logic.

Comparing the deathes of thousands of Palestinians to the eradication of germs is pretty revolting.

Do we really prefer a Jewish state over preserving life?

...or are non-Jews just dirty "goyims" that need to know their place?

[vampire]

Comparing the deathes of thousands of Palestinians to the eradication of germs is pretty revolting. 

But the comparison of million jews in gas chambers isn't. Um um. Double standards here.

What's again price of a Palestinian child over there? 14k? to sell him to become a suicide bomber?

That's revolting.

[Atlas]

Comparing the deathes of thousands of Palestinians to the eradication of germs is pretty revolting. 

But the comparison of million jews in gas chambers isn't. Um um. Double standards here.

What's again price of a Palestinian child over there? 14k? to sell him to become a suicide bomber?

That's revolting.

Yes, the Jews have priority over Palestinians just because of a past but independent atrocity The Palestinians are revolting, uncivilized animals and they deserve to die for the Jewish-cause. /s

Anyways, prove to me that's it acceptable in general Palestinian culture to use children as suicide bombers.

Let's just admit it: You favor the Jews. If we have to kill thousands of others to make sure Israel is satisfied so be it.

Fuck everyone else. Fuck the goyims. Go Israel.

[dotcom]

Comparing the deathes of thousands of Palestinians to the eradication of germs is pretty revolting. 

But the comparison of million jews in gas chambers isn't. Um um. Double standards here.

I've already said the comparison wasn't based on scale, read my posts before responding to them

What's again price of a Palestinian child over there? 14k? to sell him to become a suicide bomber?

That's revolting.

That's such a load of shit

[vampire]

Yes, the Jews have priority over Palestinians just because of a past but independent atrocity The Palestinians are revolting, uncivilized animals and they deserve to die for the Jewish-cause. /s

Anyways, prove to me that's it acceptable in general Palestinian culture to use children as suicide bombers.

Let's just admit it: You favor the Jews. If we have to kill thousands of others to make sure Israel is satisfied so be it.

Fuck everyone else. Fuck the goyims. Go Israel.

I am still waiting for prove of genocide, so far you can't even come up with anything tangible. Until then it's just a regional conflict.

Why don't you read the protocol of zions in the original form, i.e. pre-revolution Russian?

[vampire]

I've already said the comparison wasn't based on scale, read my posts before responding to them

Are you Atlas?

What's again price of a Palestinian child over there? 14k? to sell him to become a suicide bomber?

That's revolting.

That's such a load of shit

That's reality. Suicide bombers are bought over there

[Atlas]

Yes, the Jews have priority over Palestinians just because of a past but independent atrocity The Palestinians are revolting, uncivilized animals and they deserve to die for the Jewish-cause. /s

Anyways, prove to me that's it acceptable in general Palestinian culture to use children as suicide bombers.

Let's just admit it: You favor the Jews. If we have to kill thousands of others to make sure Israel is satisfied so be it.

Fuck everyone else. Fuck the goyims. Go Israel.

I am still waiting for prove of genocide, so far you can't even come up with anything tangible. Until then it's just a regional conflict.

Why don't you read the protocol of zions in the original form, i.e. pre-revolution Russian?

Look, you believe the Jews have a right to Israel no matter who is on it. No matter the cost. I can't argue with this. It's fruitless.

Best of luck.

[vampire]

Look, you believe the Jews have a right to Israel no matter who is on it. No matter the cost. I can't argue with this. It's fruitless.

Best of luck.

So according to you jews have to be expelled?

Good luck nazi lover.

[Atlas]

Look, you believe the Jews have a right to Israel no matter who is on it. No matter the cost. I can't argue with this. It's fruitless.

Best of luck.

So according to you jews have to be expelled?

Good luck.

They expelled the Palestinians first. I mean, I don't think this is reversible in any case. The deed has been done.

If I had a grantable wish, it would be to leave the current Palestinians alone and give them more additional land on the Gaza strip with a peaceful DMZ.

[Severian]

Enlighten me.

I find it amusing that someone named "vampire" is defending Zionism by blaming others.

[vampire]

They expelled the Palestinians first. I mean, I don't think this reversible in any case. The deed has been done.

If I had a grantable wish, it would be to leave the current Palestinians alone and give them more on the Gaza strip with a peaceful DMZ.

They did? Wow.. 1948 war was started by Arabs, and also they started 1947 riots.

Palestinians leaders don't want peace.

[dotcom]

That's reality. Suicide bombers are bought over there

No it isn't, I'll bet you can't provide a single scrap of evidence to support this

There are suicide bombers, and there have been 'child' suicide bombers by our standards. But
understand that most suicide bombers labeled as 'childs' are actually 16-17 years old and thats an
adult in Palestinian culture.

I'm not defending the practice at all, i'm just saying you really need to stop spreading misinformation.

So according to you jews have to be expelled?

Good luck nazi lover.

This just so embodies everything I hate about arguing with pro-israelis. That's not even remotely close to
what he said and he hasn't said a single thing promoting naziism in any of his arguments.

[vampire]

Enlighten me.

I find it amusing that someone named "vampire" is defending Zionism by blaming others.

Am I blaming? No. I am requesting the prove of genocide? Empty words are empty.


Vampire has many meanings, but I don't expect you to grasp such concepts.

[Atlas]

They expelled the Palestinians first. I mean, I don't think this reversible in any case. The deed has been done.

If I had a grantable wish, it would be to leave the current Palestinians alone and give them more on the Gaza strip with a peaceful DMZ.

They did? Wow.. 1948 war was started by Arabs, and also they started 1947 riots.

Palestinians leaders don't want peace.

The UN infringed on their sovereignty. It was a war of independence. The UN initiated force when they refused to cease their actions. If you invade my home, you're going to get shot.

However, the Jews have a right to Israel because of God and Nazis. So the Palestinians need to know their place.

[Severian]

Am I blaming? No.

Zionists deflect. I've never met a Zionist able to honestly discuss the bloody history of their ideology.

[vampire]

No it isn't, I'll bet you can't provide a single scrap of evidence to support this

There are suicide bombers, and there have been 'child' suicide bombers by our standards. But
understand that most suicide bombers labeled as 'childs' are actually 16-17 years old and thats an
adult in Palestinian culture.

I'm not defending the practice at all, i'm just saying you really need to stop spreading misinformation.

Hmmm so many words so little facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

Let's lower the age to 13.

So according to you jews have to be expelled?

Good luck nazi lover.

This just so embodies everything I hate about arguing with pro-israelis. That's not even remotely close to
what he said and he hasn't said a single thing promoting naziism in any of his arguments.

He said that jews don't have rights to Israel. Didn't he say so? Yes or no?

[vampire]

Am I blaming? No.

Zionists deflect. I've never met a Zionist able to honestly discuss the bloody history of their ideology.

Huh?

[Severian]

Huh?

My point exactly.

[Atlas]

Vampire, do you get paid by the JDIF?

If not, you should consider. They pay people to defend Zionism on the internet.

[vampire]

The UN infringed on their sovereignty. It was a war of independence. The UN initiated force when they refused to cease their actions. If you invade my home, you're going to get shot.

However, the Jews have a right to Israel because of God and Nazis. So the Palestinians need to know their place.

They had no sovereignty. Can you name a last country that had control over that territory? We can even skip brits! Let me hint you, they weren't arabs.

Deal, if Europe and Arabs return all property to jews that was lost due to pogroms, I'd bet all the jews that immigrated to Israel would come back.

[vampire]

Vampire, do you get paid by the JDIF?

If not, you should consider. They pay people to defend Zionism on the internet.

JDIF? Poor soul, come to NYC I'll buy you a drink. I brought some nice single malt last time to NYC's bitcoin meetup.

[dotcom]

No it isn't, I'll bet you can't provide a single scrap of evidence to support this

There are suicide bombers, and there have been 'child' suicide bombers by our standards. But
understand that most suicide bombers labeled as 'childs' are actually 16-17 years old and thats an
adult in Palestinian culture.

I'm not defending the practice at all, i'm just saying you really need to stop spreading misinformation.

Hmmm so many words so little facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

Let's lower the age to 13.

i just searched that entire wikipedia article, not in one place does it say there was a 13-year old suicide bomber and not in one place
does it say families were paid to give away their children as suicide bombers.

so I guess i'll repeat what I said earlier: I'm not defending the practice, but stop spreading misinformation

[vampire]

No it isn't, I'll bet you can't provide a single scrap of evidence to support this

There are suicide bombers, and there have been 'child' suicide bombers by our standards. But
understand that most suicide bombers labeled as 'childs' are actually 16-17 years old and thats an
adult in Palestinian culture.

I'm not defending the practice at all, i'm just saying you really need to stop spreading misinformation.

Hmmm so many words so little facts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

Let's lower the age to 13.

i just searched that entire wikipedia article, not in one place does it say there was a 13-year old suicide bomber and not in one place
does it say families were paid to give away their children as suicide bombers.

so I guess i'll repeat what I said earlier: I'm not defending the practice, but stop spreading misinformation

On March 24, 2004, one week after capturing a bomb in the bag of 12-year-old Abdullah Quran, Hussam Abdo, a 16-year-old Palestinian (who initially claimed he was 14), was captured in a checkpoint near Nablus wearing an explosive belt.

On April 27, two Palestinian teenagers, both aged 15 (though other sources cite their ages as 12 and 13), were arrested at a checkpoint near Jenin after 11 explosive charges were found on them. One teenager was recruited by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the other by the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. The two told interrogators that they had been acting as couriers for terrorists, but security forces suspect they planned to get close to the soldiers and then detonate the charges.[34]

Sorry, let's lower to 12.

[Severian]

Sorry, let's lower to 12.

So the Jewish kids in Nazi Europe, some of them my possible relatives, that made life hard for the Occupying Nazis that were killing their families were also just little terrorists? Or does the morality of self-sacrifice in the face of overwhelming odds only work one way?

[Atlas]

The UN infringed on their sovereignty. It was a war of independence. The UN initiated force when they refused to cease their actions. If you invade my home, you're going to get shot.

However, the Jews have a right to Israel because of God and Nazis. So the Palestinians need to know their place.

They had no sovereignty. Can you name a last country that had control over that territory? We can even skip brits! Let me hint you, they weren't arabs.

Deal, if Europe and Arabs return all property to jews that was lost due to pogroms, I'd bet all the jews that immigrated to Israel would come back.

The Palestinians lost. I'll accept that. War is war it seems.

[Severian]

The Palestinians lost.

Impossible. According to Zionist gospel, there are no Palestinians to begin with.

[vampire]

Sorry, let's lower to 12.

So the Jewish kids in Nazi Europe, some of them my possible relatives, that made life hard for the Occupying Nazis that were killing their families were also just little terrorists? Or does the morality of self-sacrifice in the face of overwhelming odds only work one way?

Nice story bro.

[Severian]

Nice story bro.

Not as good as the story of Israel being Jewish cuz Magical Sky Being said so.

[vampire]

The UN infringed on their sovereignty. It was a war of independence. The UN initiated force when they refused to cease their actions. If you invade my home, you're going to get shot.

However, the Jews have a right to Israel because of God and Nazis. So the Palestinians need to know their place.

They had no sovereignty. Can you name a last country that had control over that territory? We can even skip brits! Let me hint you, they weren't arabs.

Deal, if Europe and Arabs return all property to jews that was lost due to pogroms, I'd bet all the jews that immigrated to Israel would come back.

The Palestinians lost. I'll accept that. War is war it seems.

Your grand plans of the final solution failed so far? I feel so bad for you. You just want to murder 6 million jews, so there would be some space for palestinians.

[Atlas]

The UN infringed on their sovereignty. It was a war of independence. The UN initiated force when they refused to cease their actions. If you invade my home, you're going to get shot.

However, the Jews have a right to Israel because of God and Nazis. So the Palestinians need to know their place.

They had no sovereignty. Can you name a last country that had control over that territory? We can even skip brits! Let me hint you, they weren't arabs.

Deal, if Europe and Arabs return all property to jews that was lost due to pogroms, I'd bet all the jews that immigrated to Israel would come back.

The Palestinians lost. I'll accept that. War is war it seems.

Your grand plans of the final solution failed so far? I feel so bad for you. You just want to murder 6 million jews, so there would be some space for palestinians.

I have a thing for Jewish women. Try again.

I just want less suffering in the world.

[vampire]

Nice story bro.

Not as good as the story of Israel being Jewish cuz Magical Sky Being said so.

Cool story bro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

the Zionist movement was founded in the late 19th century by secular Jews, largely as a response by Ashkenazi Jews to rising antisemitism in Europe

Do you need a dictionary?

[vampire]

I have a thing for Jewish women. Try again.

I just want less suffering in the world.

So what's your solution is? As far as I can see there is no solution at this moment.

Removing jews isn't a solution.
Removing arabs isn't a solution.

They don't want peace, so may be in 100 years when they intermix enough they will have peace.

[dotcom]

Sorry, let's lower to 12.

Congratulations, you found one case of true child suicide bombers. Oh and by the way, I did some ACTUAL research
into that. The kids family had nothing to do with it, a rogue faction that broke away from the main Palestinian military
and has been constantly criticized by the Palestinian government for being too violent drove up in a van, gave the
kid the bag and a days earning of pay, and told him to walk up to the Israeli military post.

Even if your version of this was right, Are we to assume that one case can be generalized to describe the actions of an entire people?

One family sends their 12 year old as a suicide bomber, therefore tons of families in Palestine must sell off their children
as early as 12 years old to bomb innocent Israeli's.

James Holmes is an American who killed 12 people and wounded 58, therefore tons of Americans must be mass murdering psychopaths.



Either way i'm done arguing, honestly i'm just too tired to keep this up. I don't like people who always slightly skew the facts in their favor
so every argument becomes an argument of semantics rather than an argument about the core points.

[Atlas]

I have a thing for Jewish women. Try again.

I just want less suffering in the world.

So what's your solution is? As far as I can see there is no solution at this moment.

Removing jews isn't a solution.
Removing arabs isn't a solution.

They don't want peace, so may be in 100 years when they intermix enough they will have peace.

Bro, the UN instigated the whole thing. Just because the Palestinians didn't bend over when they came doesn't mean they don't want peace. They just want to keep their property. 

[vampire]

Either way i'm done arguing, honestly i'm just too tired to keep this up. I don't like people who always slightly skew the facts in their favor
so every argument becomes an argument of semantics rather than an argument about the core points.

Good, because you're a liar. One time you say that there weren't 12 y/o bombers, now you say it's a rogue faction.

[Severian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

The return to Palestine is as old as the Diaspora. Moses Hess, the actual father of Zionism, said in his 1860's book "Rome and Jerusalem: The Last National Question":

"March forward, Jews of all lands! The ancient fatherland of yours is calling you, and we will be proud to open its gates for you."

This was 30 years before the First Zionist Congress in Basel.

The base for the Zionist claim to Israel is the promise from the Magical Sky Being. Religion has always been a useful tool for manipulating the bottom 49%.

[k3t3r]

Palestine was an Arab country until the British who had no claim to the land either decided to give the country to the Rothschild family in 1917 to form the Zionist state of Israel in Palestine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

[vampire]

I have a thing for Jewish women. Try again.

I just want less suffering in the world.

So what's your solution is? As far as I can see there is no solution at this moment.

Removing jews isn't a solution.
Removing arabs isn't a solution.

They don't want peace, so may be in 100 years when they intermix enough they will have peace.

Bro, the UN instigated the whole thing. Just because the Palestinians didn't bend over when they came doesn't mean they don't want peace. They just want to keep their property. 

Hamas says otherwise, their motto is death to Israel. Can't really take these people seriously.

[vampire]

Palestine was an Arab country until the British who had no claim to the land either decided to give the country to the Rothschild family in 1917 to form the Zionist state of Israel in Palestine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Turks aren't arabs.

[vampire]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

The return to Palestine is as old as the Diaspora. Moses Hess, the actual father of Zionism, said in his 1860's book "Rome and Jerusalem: The Last National Question":

"March forward, Jews of all lands! The ancient fatherland of yours is calling you, and we will be proud to open its gates for you."

This was 30 years before the First Zionist Congress in Basel.

The base for the Zionist claim to Israel is the promise from the Magical Sky Being. Religion has always been a useful tool for manipulating the bottom 49%.

The return is old, but Zionism was founded by not very religious jews. A lot of very religious jews, here in Brooklyn, would disagree what "Promised Land" means. In their minds, the promised land is USA.

[Severian]

The return is old, but Zionism was founded by not very religious jews. A lot of very religious jews, here in Brooklyn, would disagree what "Promised Land" means. In their minds, the promised land is USA.

The Hasids are complete nutjobs anyway. They're the Jewish Taliban. I used to know a dude that was the son of one of the Rebbe's righthand men. Her was cool, for a Hasid, but he was crazy as shit. Even thought they're not Zionists, they still see Israel as Jewish because Magical Dude in the Sky said so.

Zionism stripped out the religious element but kept the nationalist/colonialist element of religion in their fairy tale. It's the same type of fairy tale that allowed a bunch of Christians to use their religion of peace to slaughter all the locals here in North America.

I gave up on all religious nutbaggery long ago. I'm too old to buy into peoples' nationalist and religious fairy tales. At this point, it all sounds like bullshit to me. Zionism is a deadly ideology that no longer has a place in the civilized world. The sooner your generation stops defending it, the better off everyone will be.

[ElectricMucus]

Oh wow that thread went to shit pretty quickly. To be expected ... but still.  

edit: Well done Atlas 

[vampire]

Palestine was an Arab country until the British who had no claim to the land either decided to give the country to the Rothschild family in 1917 to form the Zionist state of Israel in Palestine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Turks aren't arabs.

yes Turks are not arabs, but it was the Ottoman Empire (islamic empire / Caliphate) that ruled over palestine

I already pointed that out, jews have as much claim as arabs to live there.

[Severian]

I have a theory that Hitler actually modelled the Nazis on the Jews(edit)Zionism.

Julius Streicher said as much at his trial.

Yes, I believe I had a part in it insofar as for years I have written that any further mixture of German blood with Jewish blood must be avoided. I have written such articles again and again; and in my articles I have repeatedly emphasized the fact that the Jews should serve as an example to every race, for they created a racial law for themselves—the law of Moses, which says, 'If you come into a foreign land you shall not take unto yourself foreign women.' And that, Gentlemen, is of tremendous importance in judging the Nuremberg Laws. These laws of the Jews were taken as a model for these laws. When, after centuries, the Jewish lawgiver Ezra discovered that notwithstanding many Jews had married non-Jewish women, these marriages were dissolved. That was the beginning of Jewry which, because it introduced these racial laws, has survived throughout the centuries, while all other races and civilizations have perished."

—Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945 — 1 October 1946, Volume 12, Secretariat of the Tribunal, Nuremberg, Germany, p. 315.

This isn't all that remarkable as all European royalty had been modeling their bloodlines on the same basis for centuries. Biblical law is merely Stone Age tribal law and the Nazis were little more than a technically advanced culture that was engaging in Neolithic tribal thinking, just as royalty and other practitioners of exclusive breeding do.

The Nazis were unique in their thuggery as they managed to weld that belief to a state apparatus as policy. Zionism does the same. Looking at Israel's citizenship and marriage laws proves the point.

[Littleshop]

If the world is still around in 100 years, people will still be fighting over this patch of desert. 

[vampire]

Palestine was an Arab country until the British who had no claim to the land either decided to give the country to the Rothschild family in 1917 to form the Zionist state of Israel in Palestine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Turks aren't arabs.

yes Turks are not arabs, but it was the Ottoman Empire (islamic empire / Caliphate) that ruled over palestine

I already pointed that out, jews have as much claim as arabs to live there.

yes , jews living there is not an issue, the issue is western zionist jews came in as colonizers , no different than other parts of the world that were colonized by western powers

before zionists came in , there were arab jews , they lived there peacefully under islamic goverments (ottoman and previous caliphates)

And before Arabs came they were Jews. So who's the colonizer?

[memvola]

yes , jews living there is not an issue, the issue is western zionist jews came in as colonizers , no different than other parts of the world that were colonized by western powers

before zionists came in , there were arab jews , they lived there peacefully under islamic goverments (ottoman and previous caliphates)

And before Arabs came they were Jews. So who's the colonizer?

Came... From where? Check your timeline. Arabs were always there.

Israel is the new nazi germany in so many ways, it's sad that people can't see it

It's George Orwells vision, he just got the date wrong

Majority of the world sees it but basically they we don't care.

[memvola]

Sorry, let's lower to 12.

So the Jewish kids in Nazi Europe, some of them my possible relatives, that made life hard for the Occupying Nazis that were killing their families were also just little terrorists? Or does the morality of self-sacrifice in the face of overwhelming odds only work one way?

Yes, it only works when they win.

[vampire]

Came... From where? Check your timeline. Arabs were always there.

Into Jerusalem? They definitely did.

But let me point out where is Arabia, where the arabs came from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula

[vampire]

If the world is still around in 100 years, people will still be fighting over this patch of desert. 

Correct. At this point I don't see any solution to the conflict, except may be force jews to marry arabs. And may be in hundred years they wont distinguish themselves separately.

[memvola]

Came... From where? Check your timeline. Arabs were always there.

Into Jerusalem? They definitely did.

But let me point out where is Arabia, where the arabs came from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula

Ah, now I see where you're coming from. Makes sense. But if you accept that categorization, then you'd agree that King David colonized it before Arabs colonized it before western Zionist Jews colonized it, no? God knows which race lived there before that. Ancient Egyptians didn't have racial labels, so we'll never know. To me, they're the same fucking people living in the same fucking region, which makes it easier to grasp the situation.

So according to you personally, what gives me the right to go back to where my grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand-grandfather supposedly lived according to a book he himself wrote and create a nation-state out of thin air?

[vampire]

So according to you personally, what gives me the right to go back to where my grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand-grandfather supposedly lived according to a book he himself wrote and create a nation-state out of thin air?

No, it's according to you. According to me, jews are there. Deal with it.

[vampire]

so we all agree and fine with jews living in Palestine, the issue is the Western non-semetic Zionist founded a country while the Arab semetic Jew was fine living in Palestine under Islam

So now you're being picky. What happened 100 years ago is ancient history for me, or even 60 years ago.


Jews are there, deal with it.

[vampire]

yes the arabs/muslims have to deal with the colonizers , but currently the zionist entity is powerful with USA support , as long as arab/islamic countries are not united and fighting amongst themselves , they will never be able to liberate palestine.

Liberating Palestine doesnt mean throwing the Jews into the sea, but it definitely means justice for the Palestinians , returning their land/property...

Warmongers are morons.

Israel already kicked your butt without any help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

[vampire]

yes i am aware, thats why i think arab countries should unite , ''united we stand...etc..""  to liberate Palestine , Palestine and the surrounding arab countries with their wealth(oil) need to become like  western countries, science+technology+freedoms etc.. first world country to be able to liberate Palestine

Won't happen. The first step is to eradicate (not in a violent way, send them to schools) islamic extremists.

[Severian]

Yes, it only works when they win.

The effectiveness of the tactic wasn't the question. Try again.

[JoelKatz]

Liberating Palestine doesnt mean throwing the Jews into the sea, but it definitely means justice for the Palestinians , returning their land/property...

When I get back what Castro took from my family in Cuba and when the Indians get back what the Europeans took from them in the United States, then I'll entertain your historic justice argument. Otherwise, I'd prefer to deal with the present reality.

[Severian]

Jews are there, deal with it.

Zionists treat everyone like shit. Deal with it.

[vampire]

Zionists treat everyone like shit. Deal with it.

Yea, totally. Once in a while I get abused by these zionists (or whatever they're are) on the streets of NYC.

http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-being-asked-if-youre-jewish-on-the-street

[Severian]

Yea, totally.

If Zionism = Judaism, does that mean all of those tens of millions of Christian Zionists can get Israeli citizenship?

[vampire]

Yea, totally.

If Zionism = Judaism, does that mean all of those tens of millions of Christian Zionists can get Israeli citizenship?

Does it mean that I also get abused by tens of millions of christian zionists? Uh. I guess in my sleep?

[Severian]

Does it mean that I also get abused by tens of millions of christian zionists?

It amuses me when people engage in discussions re: political and religious history when they have little to no familiarity with the subject matter.

Please keep amusing me.

[vampire]

Does it mean that I also get abused by tens of millions of christian zionists?

It amuses me when people engage in discussions re: political and religious history when they have little to no familiarity with the subject matter.

Please keep amusing me.

It's amusing for me when people don't get when I am trolling them. But except some standard anti-zionists slogans, you haven't come up with anything worthwhile to discuss.

[Severian]

It's amusing for me when people don't get when I am trolling them.

I ignore the trolling in the hopes that you'll post something resembling a desire to actually have a discussion instead of kicking around the same old fables you've unquestioningly believed since you were a child.

Looking at politics and history via one, and only one, perspective without ever investigating the alternatives makes one no different from a religious fundamentalist who is equally uninterested in challenging his own narrow beliefs.

But if you're happy being a troll, knock yourself out.

[memvola]

So according to you personally, what gives me the right to go back to where my grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand-grandfather supposedly lived according to a book he himself wrote and create a nation-state out of thin air?

No, it's according to you. According to me, jews are there. Deal with it.

That doesn't answer my question. There is nothing I would disagree about the "jews are there, deal with it" sentiment, but it's kinda off-topic here, don't you think? Yes, there is no right or wrong, there is only the present situation, anything goes, so what are we even talking about?

Yes, it only works when they win.

The effectiveness of the tactic wasn't the question. Try again.

I was being sarcastic.

[Severian]

I was being sarcastic.

Apologies. It's difficult to discern in the chaff sometimes.

Now I get your drift.

[caffeinewriter]

I love how Fox News has proven itself to be unbiased time and time again. Oh wait!

[vampire]

What was taken by force can only be regained by force, I prefer to see arab/muslim countries united , become advanced like the west and liberate Palestine. They cannot do so while sunni vs shia fighting each other etc..

the arabs/muslims have the money, natural resources to become advanced, why cant Pakistan for instance give some of its nuclear missiles to Iran or better yet share them with all arab/islamic countries ?

through that unity they could liberate Palestine from the Zionist entity

Hmm

[Littleshop]

What is clear to me is that the CA law oversteps constitutional bounds.

What is also clear to me is that we will not resolve the Palestine/Israel debate here on bitcointalk.org. 

[vampire]

Iraqi Jews

"We are seeking to demand compensation for our lost property and assets from the Iraqi government - NOT from the Palestinian Authority - and we will not agree with the option that compensation for our property be offset by compensation for the lost property of others (meaning, Palestinian refugees) or that said compensation be transferred to bodies that do not represent us (meaning, the Israeli government).
The statement went on to demand an investigation of Israel’s complicity in the departure of Iraqi Jews from their homeland including in terrorist acts against Jews:"

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2012/09/iraqi-jews.html , http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/iraqi-jews-reject-cynical-manipulation-their-history-israel-zionists-writer-almog

You haven't read it at all. It takes about 10 minutes to read all the relevant stories and background.

I don't expect you to read anything, as many other arabs / muslims. You prefer to murder and destroy than to have any dialogue. Recent events of multiple killings in the arab world only proves my point.

You're just a barbarian that lusts for blood. I already quoted your previous statements calling for a nuclear war and destruction of Israel.

[mai77]

http://www.picturehost.eu/uploads/f95db2c1eda17ce22a37fd1f695c6121_swas%20hit.jpg