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[Littleshop]

If the world is still around in 100 years, people will still be fighting over this patch of desert. 

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[vampire]

Palestine was an Arab country until the British who had no claim to the land either decided to give the country to the Rothschild family in 1917 to form the Zionist state of Israel in Palestine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Turks aren't arabs.

yes Turks are not arabs, but it was the Ottoman Empire (islamic empire / Caliphate) that ruled over palestine

I already pointed that out, jews have as much claim as arabs to live there.

yes , jews living there is not an issue, the issue is western zionist jews came in as colonizers , no different than other parts of the world that were colonized by western powers

before zionists came in , there were arab jews , they lived there peacefully under islamic goverments (ottoman and previous caliphates)

And before Arabs came they were Jews. So who's the colonizer?

[memvola]

yes , jews living there is not an issue, the issue is western zionist jews came in as colonizers , no different than other parts of the world that were colonized by western powers

before zionists came in , there were arab jews , they lived there peacefully under islamic goverments (ottoman and previous caliphates)

And before Arabs came they were Jews. So who's the colonizer?

Came... From where? Check your timeline. Arabs were always there.

Israel is the new nazi germany in so many ways, it's sad that people can't see it

It's George Orwells vision, he just got the date wrong

Majority of the world sees it but basically they we don't care.

[memvola]

Sorry, let's lower to 12.

So the Jewish kids in Nazi Europe, some of them my possible relatives, that made life hard for the Occupying Nazis that were killing their families were also just little terrorists? Or does the morality of self-sacrifice in the face of overwhelming odds only work one way?

Yes, it only works when they win.

[vampire]

Came... From where? Check your timeline. Arabs were always there.

Into Jerusalem? They definitely did.

But let me point out where is Arabia, where the arabs came from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula

[vampire]

If the world is still around in 100 years, people will still be fighting over this patch of desert. 

Correct. At this point I don't see any solution to the conflict, except may be force jews to marry arabs. And may be in hundred years they wont distinguish themselves separately.

[memvola]

Came... From where? Check your timeline. Arabs were always there.

Into Jerusalem? They definitely did.

But let me point out where is Arabia, where the arabs came from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula

Ah, now I see where you're coming from. Makes sense. But if you accept that categorization, then you'd agree that King David colonized it before Arabs colonized it before western Zionist Jews colonized it, no? God knows which race lived there before that. Ancient Egyptians didn't have racial labels, so we'll never know. To me, they're the same fucking people living in the same fucking region, which makes it easier to grasp the situation.

So according to you personally, what gives me the right to go back to where my grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand-grandfather supposedly lived according to a book he himself wrote and create a nation-state out of thin air?

[vampire]

So according to you personally, what gives me the right to go back to where my grand-grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand-grandfather supposedly lived according to a book he himself wrote and create a nation-state out of thin air?

No, it's according to you. According to me, jews are there. Deal with it.

[vampire]

so we all agree and fine with jews living in Palestine, the issue is the Western non-semetic Zionist founded a country while the Arab semetic Jew was fine living in Palestine under Islam

So now you're being picky. What happened 100 years ago is ancient history for me, or even 60 years ago.


Jews are there, deal with it.

[vampire]

yes the arabs/muslims have to deal with the colonizers , but currently the zionist entity is powerful with USA support , as long as arab/islamic countries are not united and fighting amongst themselves , they will never be able to liberate palestine.

Liberating Palestine doesnt mean throwing the Jews into the sea, but it definitely means justice for the Palestinians , returning their land/property...

Warmongers are morons.

Israel already kicked your butt without any help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

[vampire]

yes i am aware, thats why i think arab countries should unite , ''united we stand...etc..""  to liberate Palestine , Palestine and the surrounding arab countries with their wealth(oil) need to become like  western countries, science+technology+freedoms etc.. first world country to be able to liberate Palestine

Won't happen. The first step is to eradicate (not in a violent way, send them to schools) islamic extremists.

[Severian]

Yes, it only works when they win.

The effectiveness of the tactic wasn't the question. Try again.

[JoelKatz]

Liberating Palestine doesnt mean throwing the Jews into the sea, but it definitely means justice for the Palestinians , returning their land/property...

When I get back what Castro took from my family in Cuba and when the Indians get back what the Europeans took from them in the United States, then I'll entertain your historic justice argument. Otherwise, I'd prefer to deal with the present reality.

[Severian]

Jews are there, deal with it.

Zionists treat everyone like shit. Deal with it.

[vampire]

Zionists treat everyone like shit. Deal with it.

Yea, totally. Once in a while I get abused by these zionists (or whatever they're are) on the streets of NYC.

http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-being-asked-if-youre-jewish-on-the-street

[Severian]

Yea, totally.

If Zionism = Judaism, does that mean all of those tens of millions of Christian Zionists can get Israeli citizenship?

[vampire]

Yea, totally.

If Zionism = Judaism, does that mean all of those tens of millions of Christian Zionists can get Israeli citizenship?

Does it mean that I also get abused by tens of millions of christian zionists? Uh. I guess in my sleep?

[Severian]

Does it mean that I also get abused by tens of millions of christian zionists?

It amuses me when people engage in discussions re: political and religious history when they have little to no familiarity with the subject matter.

Please keep amusing me.

[vampire]

Does it mean that I also get abused by tens of millions of christian zionists?

It amuses me when people engage in discussions re: political and religious history when they have little to no familiarity with the subject matter.

Please keep amusing me.

It's amusing for me when people don't get when I am trolling them. But except some standard anti-zionists slogans, you haven't come up with anything worthwhile to discuss.

[Severian]

It's amusing for me when people don't get when I am trolling them.

I ignore the trolling in the hopes that you'll post something resembling a desire to actually have a discussion instead of kicking around the same old fables you've unquestioningly believed since you were a child.

Looking at politics and history via one, and only one, perspective without ever investigating the alternatives makes one no different from a religious fundamentalist who is equally uninterested in challenging his own narrow beliefs.

But if you're happy being a troll, knock yourself out.