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Another useless thread, this forum is more better and awesome (every day) and the soc. engir. attack was really impressive.
How is it useless?all you need to know is in OP, theymos works for state legislatures. What is the problem if he is working for the gov. or he is not working for them ? Everyone is free do use or not use this forum, and no one is forcing you to post here ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . Have a great day. ... It got a little off-topic.
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May 25, 2015, 07:39:59 PM |
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[...] There are plenty of big companies that have been hacked in the past, doesnt matter their budget or how big they are, that doesnt prove anything.
Name these "big companies" with websites constantly going offline (for days on end) because their service providers were "social engineered" to hand over root password to their servers. As why do they "promote" ponzies wich they not, it was already mentioned plenty of times that is better to have them all in 1 place, i dont agree with it but its what it is.
Having a section dedicated to promotion of ponzis is promoting ponzis, no lie. And how is it that a forum started to discuss and promote Bitcoin suddenly has not just gambling & warez selling sections, but a section dedicated to ponzis? Which friend of Bitcoin thought this is a good idea? Wake up, bro! The other points you are using are just theories and conspiracies with no real evidence behind them
Feel free to offer more plausible explanations ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) I can give you an example, the psn network that was hacked a few years ago, for a LONG time actually affecting tens of millions of people. See, even the biggest companies get hacked, its what it is. Having a section to gather all ponzies on it is not promoting ponzies, search the definition of promoting first.
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He's also a professor: Picture of Theymos aka Michael Marquardt ?Dr. Michael Marquardt is Professor of Human Resource Development and International Affairs as well as Program Director of Overseas Programs at George Washington University. Mike also serves as President of the World Institute for Action Learning. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) and a football player: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_MarquardtNot sure where he gets the time to run this forum... This is not him. I have seen his mugshot. For one, he is much younger.
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May 25, 2015, 07:42:48 PM |
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This is not him. I have seen his mugshot. For one, he is much younger.
theymos was arrested? What for?
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This is not him. I have seen his mugshot. For one, he is much younger.
theymos was arrested? What for? I don't remember. If you really wanted to know, criminal records are public domain. Shouldn't be too hard to find out if you really care. IMO the OP is mistaken, and he is referencing another M. Marquardt. As my posting history indicates I am not the biggest Theymos fan either, so I have no reason to cover for him. His documents are out there if you bother to look. I will not be providing them though, so don't ask.
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May 25, 2015, 07:49:09 PM |
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[...] There are plenty of big companies that have been hacked in the past, doesnt matter their budget or how big they are, that doesnt prove anything.
Name these "big companies" with websites constantly going offline (for days on end) because their service providers were "social engineered" to hand over root password to their servers. As why do they "promote" ponzies wich they not, it was already mentioned plenty of times that is better to have them all in 1 place, i dont agree with it but its what it is.
Having a section dedicated to promotion of ponzis is promoting ponzis, no lie. And how is it that a forum started to discuss and promote Bitcoin suddenly has not just gambling & warez selling sections, but a section dedicated to ponzis? Which friend of Bitcoin thought this is a good idea? Wake up, bro! The other points you are using are just theories and conspiracies with no real evidence behind them
Feel free to offer more plausible explanations ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) Target, HomeDepot, ChickFileta, Anthem, Blue Cross, Sony, USPS, Staples, KMart, Dairy Queen, SuperValu, Jimmy John's, JP Morgan, PFChangs, Epsilon, Zappos, Adobe Systems, Yahoo, Marriot, Hilton, etc. Those are what come up for large businesses hacked in 2014. Facebook was hacked in 2013, with 1.016 Billion dollars in security spendings, and an additional 39.9 million per year in maintenance costs. Bitcointalk doesn't promote ponzis, they just aren't against the rules. People complained about them being mixed in with other gambling games, so they were given their own section. Keep in mind, dice sites are just as illegal in the US as ponzi schemes. Its up to the operators to block the IPs of users from countries where their services are illegal.
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redsn0w
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May 25, 2015, 07:49:47 PM |
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Not sure I understand. You're saying that discussion of bitcoin is impossible without subfora dedicated to promoting gambling, ponzis & warez? Are these things somehow intrinsic to bitcoin?
No, I'm not saying that. But, with the subforums dedicated to gambling, ponzis, and warez, the newbies and people who don't know what they are doing are less likely to be drawn into scams since it is made abundantly clear that things in these forums could be scams and that you could lose your money. If these weren't there, then threads promoting scams would be everywhere and it would be difficult to know what a scam is, what could be a scam, or what is legit. [...] Aha. So to prevent n00bs from losing their bitcoin in a section dedicated to illegal unregistered internet gambling, theymos created a special subforum for ponzis.Not having ponzis and gambling subs on a forum created for discussion and promotion of Bitcoin simply isn't an option because? Wait.. no one is forcing you to put your bitcoin in the ponzi schemes.... this is the thing that a lot of users don't understand. He created that second trash section (yes it is only a trash...) to collect all the useless thread and I suggest always the users "don't take part to those ponzi schemes".
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May 25, 2015, 07:52:08 PM |
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This is not him. I have seen his mugshot. For one, he is much younger.
theymos was arrested? What for? I don't remember. If you really wanted to know, criminal records are public domain. Shouldn't be too hard to find out if you really care. IMO the OP is mistaken, and he is referencing another M. Marquardt. As my posting history indicates I am not the biggest Theymos fan either, so I have no reason to cover for him. His documents are out there if you bother to look. I will not be providing them though, so don't ask. The Michael MArquardt on that page is theymos, without any doubt. Same name, same age same city. I fucking hate this shit, re you fuckers really this blind that you cannot research for yourself and see the 100% unadulterated truth.
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May 25, 2015, 07:55:38 PM |
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How come you don't have a name anyway Anyway , Theymos name is public on different forums and websites . So If he was really an agent for the governement that would be revealed long time ago when he took over the forum and not till now . even if he is , so what ? It dosen't matter . All we care about is that Bitcoin is annonymus and they can't control that so we are cool .
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May 25, 2015, 07:57:29 PM |
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This is not him. I have seen his mugshot. For one, he is much younger.
theymos was arrested? What for? I don't remember. If you really wanted to know, criminal records are public domain. Shouldn't be too hard to find out if you really care. IMO the OP is mistaken, and he is referencing another M. Marquardt. As my posting history indicates I am not the biggest Theymos fan either, so I have no reason to cover for him. His documents are out there if you bother to look. I will not be providing them though, so don't ask. The Michael MArquardt on that page is theymos, without any doubt. Same name, same age same city. I fucking hate this shit, re you fuckers really this blind that you cannot research for yourself and see the 100% unadulterated truth. I'm 100% certain Theymos is in his 20s. He isn't in the senate or congress. Could he be some other sort of government official, yeah I don't know for sure that he isn't. But I do know for certain that he isn't old enough to be a Wisconsin representative. A family member perhaps? I've seen his picture, its floating around in the original Theymos dox thread somewhere in Meta. He isn't the person others have posted pictures of.
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May 25, 2015, 08:00:23 PM |
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This is not him. I have seen his mugshot. For one, he is much younger.
theymos was arrested? What for? I don't remember. If you really wanted to know, criminal records are public domain. Shouldn't be too hard to find out if you really care. IMO the OP is mistaken, and he is referencing another M. Marquardt. As my posting history indicates I am not the biggest Theymos fan either, so I have no reason to cover for him. His documents are out there if you bother to look. I will not be providing them though, so don't ask. The Michael MArquardt on that page is theymos, without any doubt. Same name, same age same city. I fucking hate this shit, re you fuckers really this blind that you cannot research for yourself and see the 100% unadulterated truth. I'm 100% certain Theymos is in his 20s. He isn't in the senate or congress. Could he be some other sort of government official, yeah I don't know for sure that he isn't. But I do know for certain that he isn't old enough to be a Wisconsin representative. A family member perhaps? I've seen his picture, its floating around in the original Theymos dox thread somewhere in Meta. He isn't the person you posted a picture of. I think theymos is ~26 years old (most probable) under the 30s... but it is only a supposition. PS: However, why the OP doesn't 'have' a nickname but a space ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftechforum.it%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fasd.gif&t=665&c=S6TLyhcvth6UQQ) ?
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May 25, 2015, 08:01:43 PM |
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This is not him. I have seen his mugshot. For one, he is much younger.
theymos was arrested? What for? I don't remember. If you really wanted to know, criminal records are public domain. Shouldn't be too hard to find out if you really care. IMO the OP is mistaken, and he is referencing another M. Marquardt. As my posting history indicates I am not the biggest Theymos fan either, so I have no reason to cover for him. His documents are out there if you bother to look. I will not be providing them though, so don't ask. The Michael MArquardt on that page is theymos, without any doubt. Same name, same age same city. I fucking hate this shit, re you fuckers really this blind that you cannot research for yourself and see the 100% unadulterated truth. I have done my research, long ago. That is how I know you are mistaken.
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May 25, 2015, 08:11:13 PM |
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[...] There are plenty of big companies that have been hacked in the past, doesnt matter their budget or how big they are, that doesnt prove anything.
Name these "big companies" with websites constantly going offline (for days on end) because their service providers were "social engineered" to hand over root password to their servers. As why do they "promote" ponzies wich they not, it was already mentioned plenty of times that is better to have them all in 1 place, i dont agree with it but its what it is.
Having a section dedicated to promotion of ponzis is promoting ponzis, no lie. And how is it that a forum started to discuss and promote Bitcoin suddenly has not just gambling & warez selling sections, but a section dedicated to ponzis? Which friend of Bitcoin thought this is a good idea? Wake up, bro! The other points you are using are just theories and conspiracies with no real evidence behind them
Feel free to offer more plausible explanations ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) Target, HomeDepot, ChickFileta, Anthem, Blue Cross, Sony, USPS, Staples, KMart, Dairy Queen, SuperValu, Jimmy John's, JP Morgan, PFChangs, Epsilon, Zappos, Adobe Systems, Yahoo, Marriot, Hilton, etc. Those are what come up for large businesses hacked in 2014. Facebook was hacked in 2013, with 1.016 Billion dollars in security spendings, and an additional 39.9 million in maintenance costs. see red bold text, tell me which of your list fits. Bitcointalk doesn't promote ponzis, they just aren't against the rules.
Before something could be "against the rules," rules must exist. AFAIK, there are no official rules on Bitcointalk, so nothing could be against the rules. Creating a special section for promotion of an activity constitutes promotion. For example, child porn is not explicitly prohibited here, consider starting a section called "Child Porn." People complained about them being mixed in with other gambling games, so they were given their own section. Keep in mind, dice sites are just as illegal in the US as ponzi schemes. Its up to the operators to block the IPs of users from countries where their services are illegal.
Theymos is a US citizen, operating this website from US soil. US law applies. Any of this stuff being legal in Somalia or on Pluto is neither here nor there. Now you are just talking trash, what is the proof and evidence for all your claims? Just because those websites that got hacked didnt get hacked many times that still doesnt mean anything, this forum hasnt been hacked so many times either.
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May 25, 2015, 08:13:08 PM |
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Theymos is a US citizen, operating this website from US soil. US law applies. Any of this stuff being legal in Somalia or on Pluto is neither here nor there.
The forum is not necessarily hosted in the US for one (not sure where it is). Second US law has provisions protecting service providers for the illegal activities of their users as long as they are not directly involved in the activities of course, beyond being a service provider like hosting a forum. Otherwise, how could any international corporation operate ever? There will always be conflicts of national law between an individuals country of residence and the country they operate within. Jurisdiction is a very important legal foundation of criminal law. Second, if 2 people on Pluto want to plan a ponzi on the forum, and ponzis are legal on Pluto, then it really doesn't matter what the law is anywhere else, because as residents of Pluto, no US laws were violated, meaning there is no legal liability. There may be some newer exceptions to this as the UN and Interpol wrestle jurisdiction away from national governments and begin imposing the laws of every other nation upon individuals in their own home countries.
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hey mybitcointrade.com aka mr.anonymous,
by the way, you/they have my bitcoin and i want them back !
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BTC 12jiBjT2GSWYk2HwYdPqsQMuLqZ1br9D37 - i am Pazor
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May 25, 2015, 08:27:04 PM |
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![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) Good detective job mate . But probably Theymos knew already who did that . like the hack of 2013 he knew who was it but he decided to not do anything about it and simply forgive the hacker .
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May 25, 2015, 08:39:47 PM |
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see red bold text, tell me which of your list fits. Bitcointalk doesn't promote ponzis, they just aren't against the rules.
Before something could be "against the rules," rules must exist. AFAIK, there are no official rules on Bitcointalk, so nothing could be against the rules. Creating a special section for promotion of an activity constitutes promotion. Consider starting a "scam securities" section to clean up the "Securities" section, consider starting "scam Lending Section" to clean up the lending section. Consider starting "stolen MS Keys" & "Carding" sections to clean up digital goods section. Consider starting a "Bitcointalk Account Auctions" section to clean up the auctions section. Child porn is not explicitly prohibited here, consider starting a section called "Child Porn." People complained about them being mixed in with other gambling games, so they were given their own section. Keep in mind, dice sites are just as illegal in the US as ponzi schemes. Its up to the operators to block the IPs of users from countries where their services are illegal.
Theymos is a US citizen, operating this website from US soil. US law applies. Any of this stuff being legal in Somalia or on Pluto is neither here nor there.I don't see how Bitcointalk fits your red bolded text either. It has been hacked two times in five years to my knowledge. About the bolded above, there is a sliding scale of legal involvement. Fully involved, partially involved, and minimally involved. Fully involved would be a site designed to cater for such behavior that is in question. If I make an online drug market, my role is fully involved in an action illegal in my jurisdiction. Partially involved would be a site that doesn't condone actions done, but has a certain expected level of care owed to those involved. For example, if you were scammed in the marketplace section and the forums was paid to provide a safe marketplace, we wouldn't be legally responsible for the scammer, but we would be obligated to make the situation right. Bitcointalk is minimally involved in everything you have mentioned. Our primary motivation is Bitcoin discussion, and we make no statements explicit or implied that we are here to protect users from anything. Just the opposite, it is common knowledge that people are on their own, and the only thing moderators or administrators of the site are expected to do, is to reduce spam. We moderate discussion that is disruptive, not necessarily illegal. There are plenty of warnings stating that viewed content is the individual's responsibility.
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May 25, 2015, 08:44:49 PM |
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Theymos is a US citizen, operating this website from US soil. US law applies. Any of this stuff being legal in Somalia or on Pluto is neither here nor there.
The forum is not necessarily hosted in the US for one (not sure where it is). Makes no difference where the servers are located, the forum is being run by a US person operating from US soil. US law applies. Second US law has provisions protecting service providers for the illegal activities of their users as long as they are not directly involved in the activities of course, beyond being a service provider like hosting a forum.
Not sure what you're talking about. I'll assume you mean something like Craigslist not being held liable for bad shit slipping through the cracks, that sort of thing. That protection would not apply here, where a section is *specifically created* for blatantly illegal shit (ponzis). In other words, I wouldn't be held liable if I ran a Dollartalk website, and some douche came along and posted some CP, which I deleted as soon as it was brought to my attention. But. If I created a sub on my Dollartalk forum called "Child Pornography," you can be certain that the party van would soon arrive at my door. Second, if 2 people on Pluto want to plan a ponzi on the forum, and ponzis are legal on Pluto, then it really doesn't matter what the law is anywhere else, because as residents of Pluto, no US laws were violated, meaning there is no legal liability. There may be some newer exceptions to this as the UN and Interpol wrestle jurisdiction away from national governments and begin imposing the laws of every other nation upon individuals in their own home countries.
*third Try my "child porn sub" idea. Child porn is perfectly legal on Pluto, make sure to explain this fact to the nice men when you're bein' V& ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Sorry but your "understanding" of law leaves something to be desired. You are mistaken.
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Perhaps,
The forum is a subversive Political Action Committee for a party to fund its candidates and the hacks are the result of 'Opposition Research' trying to get some dirt...
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