Nominate (insert name here) to the default trust list

[UFCkid]

If dooglus is DT level 1, then stunna should also be DT1.
They both run exceptionally trusted sites in an area known for scams.

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[deadley]

Feel free to tell me a valid reason to put you on my trust list, I have removed ashish also since I didn't made any deal with him from past 6-7 months.

coolest thing I heard
if you don't trade with a guy for 6 - 7 months remove them form trust list
nice 

btw why we didn't traded is the fact that you delayed payments and didn't picked my phone calls and you still wanted me to send btc upfront

as for trust list I m fine with it its u r choice (ego issues I guess )

Are you kidding dude? I didn't picked your calls and delayed your payment? What was the longest time you had to wait for a payment?? Please tell me, and It was you who asked me to send funds first. I do not have any ego issues you had. And it's also not like I never send you btc or funds first.

Let it be dont wanna pull up old stuff

I was just wondering on your reply
" I have removed ashish also since I didn't made any deal with him from past 6-7 months. "
does it really make sense 

Yes it makes sense because accounts are getting bought and sold daily, you were not even in contact with me, no messages no calls. I've trusted axorb and few other guys and they ended up scamming after doing several successful deals.

Axorb scammed but you still did not gave him red mark. lol.

Becsuse he already had a negative feedback that time. It's a old issue and I don't need to know how much trades you do or not.  If you think you are a big trader ok, it's good for you. I do not want to get involved in your cheap comptetior shit also you are the one who is crying here and digging old stuff not me, so please use your brain and find out who is being stupid here.

Hahahah, I did not cried, you cry by saying why you edit your list. Because you don't have reason so you giving stupid reason.

So be happy and enjoy your life with your stupidity.

[escrow.ms]

Well, nothing against anyone, but was wondering the same thing, that is it 'nice' to remove someone from the trust list just cuz you didn't trade with them for a past few months?  IMO ashish deserved to be in the trust list since he had done a lot of successful deals with escrow.ms, and I don't think Ashish was ever involved into any kind of wrong business or had any scam accusation against him, so yes, he deserved to be in your trust list.


P.S : escrow.ms , I guess you also went missing in action(almost for a few months), but theymos didn't remove you from the trust depth 1(no offence), so IMO you should have done the same thing with Ashish and should not have removed him just cuz its been some time since you both did a deal.
Thanks

Well it's theymos's decision so I can't say anything. I guess main reason is, If he will remove me, It will affect several other users who are on my trust list and feedbacks given by them and it's not like deadley and ashish12 are not in trust network, they are but under someone whom I trust, not directly under mine.

[escrow.ms]

Hahahah, I did not cried, you cry by saying why you edit your list. Because you don't have reason so you giving stupid reason.

So be happy and enjoy your life with your stupidity.

Sure no problem you can do the same.

[UFCkid]

How about you guys take a breath and relax.

escrow.ms = trusted
deadley = trusted
devthedev = trusted
Cooldgamer = trusted
LouReed = trusted
.
.
and so on.

Theymos set his DT level 1 a long time ago. People have come along after that are much more trustworthy and deserving of level 1 but arent on DT at all.

And so what. If Theymos won't reset the list, create your own list.  That is what we are supposed to do.

I do agree however that a DT1 cleaning out their closet every 6 months makes no sense and is detrimental to the forum. The older trusted members have left feedback which is now 'somewhat diminished' while a newer member is 'promoted' simply because a deal has been done in previous 6 months.

Of the list above, if you think it's sensible that only one of those has DT power, while the others are plain fodder, then you will have your trust setting set to default trust. If you don't,  set your own list.

Theymos is keeping his list upto date and LouReed is not in default trust list anymore.

MZ what you smoking dude?

I definitely do not agree that he is keeping it up to date.

Re Lou, my point exactly, he and the others (except e.ms) are no longer on it, doesn't reflect the true state in my books. All those guys could just as easily be on DT1.

[Muhammed Zakir]

If dooglus is DT level 1, then stunna should also be DT1.
They both run exceptionally trusted sites in an area known for scams.

Unlike Stunna, Dooglus has people on his trust list. It is not worth adding a user who uses default trust list.

MZ what you smoking dude?

I definitely do not agree that he is keeping it up to date.

Re Lou, my point exactly, he and the others (except e.ms) are no longer on it, doesn't reflect the true state in my books. All those guys could just as easily be on DT1.

LouReed abused his power. Default trust list is for people who leave feedback correctly, and that is the main thing. Even highly trusted users can be excluded from default trust list.

[UFCkid]

If dooglus is DT level 1, then stunna should also be DT1.
They both run exceptionally trusted sites in an area known for scams.

Unlike Stunna, Dooglus has people on his trust list. It is not worth adding a user who uses default trust list.

Yes, well done on quoting theymos, we all read his post above.

Doesn't mean he can't create a list if added to DT1 (assuming he doesn't have one).

I dont think that is a sensible selection criteria, having a list or not.

[Muhammed Zakir]

If dooglus is DT level 1, then stunna should also be DT1.
They both run exceptionally trusted sites in an area known for scams.

Unlike Stunna, Dooglus has people on his trust list. It is not worth adding a user who uses default trust list.

Yes, well done on quoting theymos, we all read his post above.

Doesn't mean he can't create a list if added to DT1 (assuming he doesn't have one).

I dont think that is a sensible selection criteria, having a list or not.

It is a sensible selection criteria. If you have missed: depth 1 and depth 2 members have same power except depth 1 can add users to default trust list. Depth 1 members' ratings have equal value to depth 2 members. If Stunna doesn't have a custom trust list, it tells he is not willing to have a custom trust list and he may not have time to moderate his own trust list.

[hilariousandco]

If dooglus is DT level 1, then stunna should also be DT1.
They both run exceptionally trusted sites in an area known for scams.

Unlike Stunna, Dooglus has people on his trust list. It is not worth adding a user who uses default trust list.

Yes, well done on quoting theymos, we all read his post above.

Doesn't mean he can't create a list if added to DT1 (assuming he doesn't have one).

I dont think that is a sensible selection criteria, having a list or not.

I kinda agree but also obviously if they don't add people it's largely pointless but at the same time many likely would start to add people to their trust list if they were given the position. The only reason I haven't added people to mine is all the ones I trust are already on Default and I like to see trust scores as the majority of other users using Defaulttust see them as (and lets face it most do just stick to default trust).

[UFCkid]

If dooglus is DT level 1, then stunna should also be DT1.
They both run exceptionally trusted sites in an area known for scams.

Unlike Stunna, Dooglus has people on his trust list. It is not worth adding a user who uses default trust list.

Yes, well done on quoting theymos, we all read his post above.

Doesn't mean he can't create a list if added to DT1 (assuming he doesn't have one).

I dont think that is a sensible selection criteria, having a list or not.

I kinda agree but also obviously if they don't add people it's largely pointless but at the same time many likely would start to add people to their trust list if they were given the position. The only reason I haven't added people to mine is all the ones I trust are already on Default and I like to see trust scores as the majority of other users using Defaulttust see them as (and lets face it most do just stick to default trust).

And this post right here shows why you are on staff: you have your own thoughts and you are sensible.

[erikalui]

Are you kidding dude? I didn't picked your calls and delayed your payment? What was the longest time you had to wait for a payment?? Please tell me, and It was you who asked me to send funds first. I do not have any ego issues you had. And it's also not like I never send you btc or funds first.

Sorry to interrupt but I noticed that you dint want to leave the OP a trust rating and then decided to leave one after he asked for it. Isn't this trust abuse? I feel that you still don't trust him enough without using an escrow and you left the rating after being asked.

You are on DT 1 level and leaving a feedback after using an escrow for a deal doesn't sound reasonable. I too have used escrow but I din't expect to be trusted or have a rating for just that purpose as escrow is to make a trade safe and it doesn't prove either parties are trustworthy.

[escrow.ms]

Are you kidding dude? I didn't picked your calls and delayed your payment? What was the longest time you had to wait for a payment?? Please tell me, and It was you who asked me to send funds first. I do not have any ego issues you had. And it's also not like I never send you btc or funds first.

Sorry to interrupt but I noticed that you dint want to leave the OP a trust rating and then decided to leave one after he asked for it. Isn't this trust abuse? I feel that you still don't trust him enough without using an escrow and you left the rating after being asked.

You are on DT 1 level and leaving a feedback after using an escrow for a deal doesn't sound reasonable. I too have used escrow but I din't expect to be trusted or have a rating for just that purpose as escrow is to make a trade safe and it doesn't prove either parties are trustworthy.

It was my personal decision and after knowing more about him, I left a feedback and included benson's name and It didn't affected his Negative feedback left by johnniewalker. I'm not sure why do you have any problem with my decision.
Frankly some of you guys need to calm down and get over this DT trust drama. First decide what you wanna argue about.  Default trust list?, My trust list? or my ratings?

As for trust abuse, 50-60% of total given ratings are trust abuse.

[erikalui]

It was my personal decision and after knowing more about him, I left a feedback and included benson's name and It didn't affected his Negative feedback left by johnniewalker. I'm not sure why do you have any problem with my decision.
Frankly some of you guys need to calm down and get over this DT trust drama. First decide what you wanna argue about.  Default trust list?, My trust list? or my ratings?

As for trust abuse, 50-60% of total given ratings are trust abuse.

I don't have a problem with you or anyone else on this forum and I just said what I felt. I don't know what made you so angry when I just asked one question? I haven't ever replied to your posts before.

I have an issue with the DT ratings of other users as well and not with yours only. Anyways, I feel that I have no right to ask any question on this forum as I'm an ordinary member.

[ReckLess.6]

Are you kidding dude? I didn't picked your calls and delayed your payment? What was the longest time you had to wait for a payment?? Please tell me, and It was you who asked me to send funds first. I do not have any ego issues you had. And it's also not like I never send you btc or funds first.

Sorry to interrupt but I noticed that you dint want to leave the OP a trust rating and then decided to leave one after he asked for it. Isn't this trust abuse? I feel that you still don't trust him enough without using an escrow and you left the rating after being asked.

You are on DT 1 level and leaving a feedback after using an escrow for a deal doesn't sound reasonable. I too have used escrow but I din't expect to be trusted or have a rating for just that purpose as escrow is to make a trade safe and it doesn't prove either parties are trustworthy.

It was my personal decision and after knowing more about him, I left a feedback and included benson's name and It didn't affected his Negative feedback left by johnniewalker. I'm not sure why do you have any problem with my decision.
Frankly some of you guys need to calm down and get over this DT trust drama. First decide what you wanna argue about.  Default trust list?, My trust list? or my ratings?

As for trust abuse, 50-60% of total given ratings are trust abuse.

Awesome. Now you just made to look a scammer trusted, who is promoting a blatant scam in his sig. Just because he bought BTC from you in higher than market rate. Interestingly, only you and your employer are the only two trusted people who trust this scammer and you expect us not to talk about your employer while you are now constantly abusing DT (even you said this) to get business for your employer. Forget about being on DT1, if a new user did something like this, he would have earned red mark by now.

I wish theymos/badbear is reading this and the four cases I listed about you two pages back and take informed decission.

[escrow.ms]

Are you kidding dude? I didn't picked your calls and delayed your payment? What was the longest time you had to wait for a payment?? Please tell me, and It was you who asked me to send funds first. I do not have any ego issues you had. And it's also not like I never send you btc or funds first.

Sorry to interrupt but I noticed that you dint want to leave the OP a trust rating and then decided to leave one after he asked for it. Isn't this trust abuse? I feel that you still don't trust him enough without using an escrow and you left the rating after being asked.

You are on DT 1 level and leaving a feedback after using an escrow for a deal doesn't sound reasonable. I too have used escrow but I din't expect to be trusted or have a rating for just that purpose as escrow is to make a trade safe and it doesn't prove either parties are trustworthy.

It was my personal decision and after knowing more about him, I left a feedback and included benson's name and It didn't affected his Negative feedback left by johnniewalker. I'm not sure why do you have any problem with my decision.
Frankly some of you guys need to calm down and get over this DT trust drama. First decide what you wanna argue about.  Default trust list?, My trust list? or my ratings?

As for trust abuse, 50-60% of total given ratings are trust abuse.

Awesome. Now you just made to look a scammer trusted, who is promoting a blatant scam in his sig. Just because he bought BTC from you in higher than market rate. Interestingly, only you and your employer are the only two trusted people who trust this scammer and you expect us not to talk about your employer while you are now constantly abusing DT (even you said this) to get business for your employer. Forget about being on DT1, if a new user did something like this, he would have earned red mark by now.

I wish theymos/badbear is reading this and the four cases I listed about you two pages back and take informed decission.

1. He is not a scammer. I did not find any single thread in which he tried to scam or did scam. Johnnywalker accused him for running a scam which is a different thing.
2. If you have some issues with signature campaign, talk to theymos, It's not related to my rating at all.
3. What is your problem if he offered more than market rate? If I didn't have done deal with him, He would have done that with someone else.
4. Who are you by the way? Why are you not posting from your real account? Anyways You are on my Ignore list now.
 

It was my personal decision and after knowing more about him, I left a feedback and included benson's name and It didn't affected his Negative feedback left by johnniewalker. I'm not sure why do you have any problem with my decision.
Frankly some of you guys need to calm down and get over this DT trust drama. First decide what you wanna argue about.  Default trust list?, My trust list? or my ratings?

As for trust abuse, 50-60% of total given ratings are trust abuse.

I don't have a problem with you or anyone else on this forum and I just said what I felt. I don't know what made you so angry when I just asked one question? I haven't ever replied to your posts before.

I have an issue with the DT ratings of other users as well and not with yours only. Anyways, I feel that I have no right to ask any question on this forum as I'm an ordinary member.

I'm not angry at all and If you have issues with ratings, or If you feel you can provide better ratings to others or add better people in trust network , Feel free to make a suggestions thread in Meta. Right now you are just targeting users who are on default trust list, instead of building your own trust network and getting listed on DT.

[thebitcoinquiz.com]

Well, nothing against anyone, but was wondering the same thing, that is it 'nice' to remove someone from the trust list just cuz you didn't trade with them for a past few months?  IMO ashish deserved to be in the trust list since he had done a lot of successful deals with escrow.ms, and I don't think Ashish was ever involved into any kind of wrong business or had any scam accusation against him, so yes, he deserved to be in your trust list.


P.S : escrow.ms , I guess you also went missing in action(almost for a few months), but theymos didn't remove you from the trust depth 1(no offence), so IMO you should have done the same thing with Ashish and should not have removed him just cuz its been some time since you both did a deal.
Thanks

Well it's theymos's decision so I can't say anything. I guess main reason is, If he will remove me, It will affect several other users who are on my trust list and feedbacks given by them and it's not like deadley and ashish12 are not in trust network, they are but under someone whom I trust, not directly under mine.

Well, if Ashish is in someone's trust list who is in your trust list then he will be shown in trust depth 3, and his feedbacks will be shown as untrusted for a normal user who usually sets his trust depth to 2 and trusts given by Ashish wont affect the trust score of someone. And you'll have to agree that being in trust depth 2, improves your status/stature on the forum.

And as theymos rightly decided not to remove you from DT1 just cuz the users in your trust list will be affected and the feedbacks given by them will become ineffective, in the same way when you removed Ashish from your trust list, the trust given by him also started to show up as untrusted hence affecting the trust score of users.
And now as you know that ashish12's account wasn't sold/compromised, I guess there shouldn't be any problem in adding him back to your trust list. Or if you are still unsure whether his account was  sold/compromised then you can simply talk to him on gmail and clarify things.

Thanks.

[erikalui]

I'm not angry at all and If you have issues with ratings, or If you feel you can provide better ratings to others or add better people in trust network , Feel free to make a suggestions thread in Meta. Right now you are just targeting users who are on default trust list, instead of building your own trust network and getting listed on DT.

@bold: How can you say this and you have even read my earlier posts? Do I only target DT members? I haven't targetted users here and you are making a false accusation on me. I have only being critical of users who I find are abusing their power and it may be a DT member or not, it doesn't matter. I have also been critical of the forum rules and scams taking place here.

You seem to have a problem with me now for just asking you a question? I don't want to build my own trust network nor do I give anyone a trust rating no matter how much they are trustworthy (but that's just me). I am sorry as even now talking to DT members means I am committing a crime. I can't imagine that people have so many issues even if I ask them why they left a particular rating. You had already answered my question in the previous post and I don't want to keep arguing about that.

I again repeat that I have no problem with the DT members but do not want them to abuse the ratings. I won't bother now even aksing any DT member any question as they don't want to answer. Sorry for asking you a question.

I am seriously not interested in getting on the DT list.

[Blazed]

I have been slowly adding more people into my trust network and recommend someone from DT1 consider adding some of these guys into DT2.


guitarplinker - tons of trades + he does escrows
monkeynuts - Mr reliable when trading - trusted this guy with plenty multiple times as have others
master-P - multiple trades + escrows
devthedev - trades + escrows
djjacket - traded tons of times and is very reliable

I think any of the those guys would be good additions to DT2. Rather than trying to get new people into DT1 (pointless to ask imo) maybe we should focus on good users that should be in DT2? I think DT2 does need a few more people added - only ones that have proven multiple times that they are reliable of course.

As I add more people into my network I will update here for the DT1 guys to consider.

[escrow.ms]

And as theymos rightly decided not to remove you from DT1 just cuz the users in your trust list will be affected and the feedbacks given by them will become ineffective, in the same way when you removed Ashish from your trust list, the trust given by him also started to show up as untrusted hence affecting the trust score of users.

How do you know he even wanted to remove me? You are just playing with my own words. Maybe he thought I'm good or trusted enough to be on the DT list. Reason can be anything and only he can tell it.
Theymos removed CanaryInTheMine too and it affected several users. But you didn't said anything about him, maybe because it didn't affected your ratings.
If ashish was on my trust list, your profile would have improved right?

Well, if Ashish is in someone's trust list who is in your trust list then he will be shown in trust depth 3, and his feedbacks will be shown as untrusted for a normal user who usually sets his trust depth to 2 and trusts given by Ashish wont affect the trust score of someone. And you'll have to agree that being in trust depth 2, improves your status/stature on the forum.

Thanks.

Technically it's correct, A new user who haven't done any deal will be not able to see his feedback as "Trusted", but those users who have added me or Benson Samuel (Right now he's not on my trust list) directly on his trust list , will be able to see ashish's ratings as "trusted"

[thebitcoinquiz.com]

And as theymos rightly decided not to remove you from DT1 just cuz the users in your trust list will be affected and the feedbacks given by them will become ineffective, in the same way when you removed Ashish from your trust list, the trust given by him also started to show up as untrusted hence affecting the trust score of users.

How do you know he even wanted to remove me? You are just playing with my own words. Maybe he thought I'm good or trusted enough to be on the DT list.
Theymos removed CanaryInTheMine too and it affected several users. But you didn't said anything about him, maybe because it didn't affected your ratings.
If ashish was on my trust list, your profile would have improved right?

I never said that he wanted to remove you, and yes, you are trusted enough to be on DT1, absolutely no doubt in that.  And you know it, CITM was abusing the trust system, you aren't.

As you removed Ashish because  the trade relations between you two became inactive, so in the same way theymos could have also removed you from the DT1(for you inactivity), but he didn't cuz inactivity wasn't a reason for him to remove you, and cuz you were trusted and  you had good people in your list, he didn't remove you and  imo you are supposed to be in DT1,  but in the same way you also shouldn't have removed Ashish from you list cuz inactivity of trade wasn't really a reason to remove him from the list, you've already had good trades with him  and once you have trusted him enough to put him in your list, so there wasn't really a solid reason to throw him out cuz he was still doing legit trades and good deals and didn't scam anyone and as his account is still intact with him, so he again deserves to be in your trust list. And yes, his being in dt2 will improve my profile but this ain't the alone reason for why I am backing him up, its also that I genuinely feel that ashish's removal was not so justified and maybe you can consider adding him back to the list(cuz you know that his account wasn't compromised/sold and he didn't scam anyone). Just a suggestion, I have confidence in your wit.

Thanks.