Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

[jonald_fyookball]

what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?

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[jmurjeff]

what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?

Here is how they work that out. You usually have to work in jail I believe. Let us say they pay you $5 a day or whatever crappy amount they pay. They may take $2.50 to go towards the fine and the rest to you. If you get money sent to you they will take some to pay the fine. I have a friend in jail and that is what they do to him.

[jonald_fyookball]

what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?

Here is how they work that out. You usually have to work in jail I believe. Let us say they pay you $5 a day or whatever crappy amount they pay. They may take $2.50 to go towards the fine and the rest to you. If you get money sent to you they will take some to pay the fine. I have a friend in jail and that is what they do to him.

What if you refuse to work?  Personally, I wouldn't work for $5 a day if I was in jail.
I'd rather spend my time reading, writing, etc.

[jmurjeff]

what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?

Here is how they work that out. You usually have to work in jail I believe. Let us say they pay you $5 a day or whatever crappy amount they pay. They may take $2.50 to go towards the fine and the rest to you. If you get money sent to you they will take some to pay the fine. I have a friend in jail and that is what they do to him.

What if you refuse to work?  Personally, I wouldn't work for $5 a day if I was in jail.
I'd rather spend my time reading, writing, etc.

It depends on the prison. If you don't work in some prisons you get written up. A few write ups you may be reclassified and wished you worked. They may be forced into lock down if they refuse work. There are prisons where they do not have to work. In some prisons you can be sent to solitary confinement for not working. This is not fun camp, this is prison.

[kolloh]

Wow, this is a very harsh punishment. Looks like they did indeed want to make an example out of him.

[RawDog]

what if Ross doesn't pay the 186 million to the government?
Are they gonna throw him in jail?

Here is how they work that out. You usually have to work in jail I believe. Let us say they pay you $5 a day or whatever crappy amount they pay. They may take $2.50 to go towards the fine and the rest to you. If you get money sent to you they will take some to pay the fine. I have a friend in jail and that is what they do to him.

What if you refuse to work?  Personally, I wouldn't work for $5 a day if I was in jail.
I'd rather spend my time reading, writing, etc.

It depends on the prison. If you don't work in some prisons you get written up. A few write ups you may be reclassified and wished you worked. They may be forced into lock down if they refuse work. There are prisons where they do not have to work. In some prisons you can be sent to solitary confinement for not working. This is not fun camp, this is prison.

Nevermind the fact that you prolly get fucked in the ass by angry niggers most days.  Not fun at all.

Wow, this is a very harsh punishment. Looks like they did indeed want to make an example out of him.

True.  So don't do illegal shit with bitcoin!!!!  It's that simple.

[gambit1]

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"Hypocrisy is never a separate issue. This cuts to the core of what justice is supposed to mean."

No it is a separate issue.

To have justice people need to be responsible for their own actions in absolute terms.

If someone shot you and your family and you survived I don't think you'd accept any amount of "yeah but the governments way worse" argumentation.

One context in which you see a lot of this "whatabout" argumentation is supporters of Israel. You point out Israel's many, many crimes and they are all "yeah whatabout Hamas" "whatabout Hezbollah" "whatabout this" "whereabouts that". Whatabout them. It doesn't make Israels massacres and land grabbing any more just.

"Whatabout" defenses are poor argumentation and a glib abrogation of responsibility. If you don't like government injustice then go and do something about it, don't use it as an excuse for other wrong doers.

[gambit1]

"Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy."

It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire. 

"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "

Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too. 

[moriartybitcoin]

an unbelievable verdict .. even the prosecution did not ask for life.  Just absurd..

[jonald_fyookball]

"Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy."

It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire. 

"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "

Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too. 

it's possible Hillary Clinton is an even more repulsive parasitical elite than Obama. 

[PenguinFire]

How long is life in the States? Literally life?

Everyone keeps saying Ross got 'life'.  But he actually got far more than that.  He got life, without possibility of parole.  Which is FAR more severe.  Life - means you could one day get out.  Life without parole - means it is 100% over.  He will never see the light of day again.  For sure.

It isn''t 100 percent over is it?  There is always appeals court.

[Beliathon]

It depends on the prison. If you don't work in some prisons you get written up. A few write ups you may be reclassified and wished you worked. They may be forced into lock down if they refuse work. There are prisons where they do not have to work. In some prisons you can be sent to solitary confinement for not working. This is not fun camp, this is prison.

Is it? Because the US prison system looks more like a profit driven rape-gulag to me. This is prison.

“Better out than in” is an unofficial motto of the Norwegian Correctional Service, which makes a reintegration guarantee to all released inmates. It works with other government agencies to secure a home, a job and access to a supportive social network for each inmate before release; Norway’s social safety net also provides health care, education and a pension to all citizens. (...) Spending on the Halden prison runs to more than $93,000 per inmate per year, compared with just $31,000 for prisoners in the United States (...)"

Halden is what you get from a society that values life and minimizing suffering more than profit margins.

If someone shot you and your family and you survived I don't think you'd accept any amount of "yeah but the governments way worse" argumentation.

Strawman argument. Ross didn't kill anyone, he has not been convicted of killing anyone, he has not been convicted of hiring people to kill anyone. He is innocent of these crimes until proven guilty in a court of law.

[HI-TEC99]

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Wow, this is a very harsh punishment. Looks like they did indeed want to make an example out of him.

True.  So don't do illegal shit with bitcoin!!!!  It's that simple.

They did the same thing to Al Capone, they made sure he died in prison and everyone got to know about it as an example. They had to do it because for a while it seemed like they couldn't arrest him and his activities were generating worldwide publicity.

Ross was probably even more of an annoyance to them because he was anonymous and seemed untouchable. It was inevitable they would make an example out of him.

[Kyraishi]

"Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy."

It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire. 

"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "

Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too. 

And how do you propose that happens if the powerful control the entire system?
How do you take away their power over the system and the less powerful and judge them accordingly?

[jonald_fyookball]

"Ross got life in prison, without parole for running a website which challenged the bankers' supremacy."

It didn't challenge bankers supremacy. Not in the same universe. And it also had murder for hire. 

"On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has indirectly caused millions of deaths in Bosnia, Serbia, Libya.etc and she is running for POTUS now.
If there is justice, then it should be applicable to everyone. You can't say that some people are very special, and the laws are not applicable to them. "

Justice for everyone means making the powerful accountable to justice not letting the less powerful do whatever they want. Politicians and bankers should be held accountable to the law and we need to take actions to make that the case. However, RU should be accountable too. 

And how do you propose that happens if the powerful control the entire system?
How do you take away their power over the system and the less powerful and judge them accordingly?

only by taking away their power to issue money.

[muhrohmat]

even i that dont pay much attention to investment got this news on tv but ok life for i guess it was also drug dealing in silk road the judges decide.

[gambit1]

Its not really the point I was making. If you are asking that then its a case of "how long have you got".

The point is that when it comes to justice "whatabout" arguments are poor. An action is just or it isn't, regardless of what somebody else is doing. If somebody else is doing something wrong then they should be brought to justice.

RU created an open market for murder. He also seems to have tried to avail himself of those services, though that is not what he was convicted for.

I'd really like to know that he wasn't trying to have people killed before making him Nelson Mandela. The evidence says he did, unfortunately.

He seems to have just run wild, believing that he was untouchable. He wasn't. Sad, but at this stage I can't swear it is unjust.

[TKeenan]

Nevermind the fact that you prolly get fucked in the ass by angry niggers most days.  Not fun at all.

What a filth bag.  Does your mother know you talk like that? Pig.

[gentlemand]

Its not really the point I was making. If you are asking that then its a case of "how long have you got".

The point is that when it comes to justice "whatabout" arguments are poor. An action is just or it isn't, regardless of what somebody else is doing. If somebody else is doing something wrong then they should be brought to justice.

RU created an open market for murder. He also seems to have tried to avail himself of those services, though that is not what he was convicted for.

I'd really like to know that he wasn't trying to have people killed before making him Nelson Mandela. The evidence says he did, unfortunately.

He seems to have just run wild, believing that he was untouchable. He wasn't. Sad, but at this stage I can't swear it is unjust.

Every 'hero' has a complex and mucky past that their advocates choose to gloss over. This fella will be no different.

I think he is an unworldly overprivileged prick who was too stupid, greedy or arrogant to think through what he was actually getting himself into, but he will always be a lightning rod for what people perceive him to symbolise.

He deserves to go down. Not for a lifetime though. Whatever you think of him, it's hard to deny that his sentence is as much about making an example of him as it is criminal.

[gambit1]

Good post that.