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October 20, 2012, 03:01:25 AM
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I heard that court papers were served at the London Conference to Amir, Patrick, ect.. and Donald ran away and didn't show up for 3 days.

Can anyone confirm?

There's a post here somewhere by one of the people at the conference.  What they were presented with was the special resolution necessary to dissolve Bitcoinica and put it into liquidation voluntarily (ie, the document in the OP).  Apparently two of them just outright refused to sign (Patrick posted that he wouldn't sign it without legal advice - my response to his post stating that was that he should get his own lawyer to draft a special resolution if he didn't trust Tihan).  I think it was Donald who wasn't around when Patrick and Amir were approached to sign the paper, but I don't recall anyone ever mentioning whether he was finally presented with it.

Have they filed a response to Cartmell yet? 

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October 20, 2012, 09:02:46 PM
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I heard that court papers were served at the London Conference to Amir, Patrick, ect.. and Donald ran away and didn't show up for 3 days.

Can anyone confirm?

There's a post here somewhere by one of the people at the conference.  What they were presented with was the special resolution necessary to dissolve Bitcoinica and put it into liquidation voluntarily (ie, the document in the OP).  Apparently two of them just outright refused to sign (Patrick posted that he wouldn't sign it without legal advice - my response to his post stating that was that he should get his own lawyer to draft a special resolution if he didn't trust Tihan).  I think it was Donald who wasn't around when Patrick and Amir were approached to sign the paper, but I don't recall anyone ever mentioning whether he was finally presented with it.

Have they filed a response to Cartmell yet?  

Not sure about your latter question.

It's really bullshit. Back in July, I met with the largest creditors (Roger, Jed, ect..) and I also met with Tihan and Patrick Strateman. to try and see if I can mediate a resolution (I have no personal or business stake in the matter- we have no money on Bitcoinica )

Patrick S. gave Roger and I his word that he would cooperate on this 100%, and that he would sign and get the others to do the same.
He sat in the cafe, looked into my eyes and gave me his word.
The letter was presented to them monts ago, and they have playing games every since. Threatening and beating around the bush.

Donald ignores everyone, Patrick acts like a child, plays games, ignores emails, and Amir is more ignorant then a pet rock.

It's a 1 page letter, that a lawyer can look over in 5 minutes, its not a difficult piece of legislation.

Tihan has been paying for all legal costs out of pocket.

Donald, Patrick, and Amir are the cause of you guys not getting your money back. They are delaying everything and constantly pushing it off.

I want to see this resolved, and have traveled to Seattle and San Francisco (I live in NY) two times thus far to meet with everyone and get this resolved.

This is probably the first time this information has come to light, and I can write pages on what has been going on the past few months.

This week, I am traveling once again to the west coast. I'm not sure what else I can do, the ball is in the court of Intersango team.

-Charlie


 I think it was Donald who wasn't around when Patrick and Amir were approached to sign the paper,

Oh, Donald was there. They had to chase him around the building, and then he disappeared and didn't show up the the conference for 3 days.

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October 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
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Not sure about your latter question.

I'd certainly hope that your lawyer is keeping you up to date on this.  Isn't there a case management conference set down for early next year?

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October 20, 2012, 10:47:44 PM
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Motion to dismiss filed 10/12/12

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October 20, 2012, 11:11:57 PM
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Not sure about your latter question.

I'd certainly hope that your lawyer is keeping you up to date on this.  Isn't there a case management conference set down for early next year?

Not sure, I have no money in Bitconica nor official capacity here.

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October 20, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
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Not sure, I have no money in Bitconica nor official capacity here.

My apologies.  I presumed that you must have some personal interest given the amount of effort you've put into trying to mediate this clusterfuck.  Although given that you have put in that effort and continue to do so, it would have been courteous of the parties involved to keep you informed of where things are at from a legal standpoint. 

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October 20, 2012, 11:48:32 PM
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Considering that Bitcoin needs new blood to grow and increase in value, one fuckup for one bitcoiner reflects as a failure of bitcoin as a whole.
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October 20, 2012, 11:50:06 PM
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Not sure, I have no money in Bitconica nor official capacity here.

My apologies.  I presumed that you must have some personal interest given the amount of effort you've put into trying to mediate this clusterfuck.  Although given that you have put in that effort and continue to do so, it would have been courteous of the parties involved to keep you informed of where things are at from a legal standpoint.  

No worries. I have no direct personal nor business interest in the matter. I have friends and investors that lost alot of money, this whole fiasco has made my job promoting Bitcoin to the world harder, I really want everyone paid back, this put behind us and Donald, Amir and Patrick exiled from our community as fast as possible.

I'm kept up to speed as much as legally allowed (since I have no legal interest, there are things I can't know) but since I'm friends with, have done business with, and are on good terms with most parties involved, I was looked at the neutral mediator in this situation and asked to do it.

However, I'm sorry to say that my patience is running out. Donald, Amir and Patrick are pulling my strings taking us all for a ride for their personal gain. They are the only ones to blame. Lawyers involved are on the verge of quitting, why should they have to deal with incompetent children like Donald, Amir and Patrick?

I've spent to much personal dollars on this already, I'm mentally stressed and no one is to blame except for myself as I took on this role.

The worst part is the lack of respect Donald, Amir and Patrick have for you, the community, and myself. They are sitting back, and laughing at this whole thing. They don't care about you, or your money. They don't care about Bitcoin and it's future, they only care about themselves.

Please, they don't even read this thread! You think they still give a shit?

We need to rise up against them in unity!

-Charlie


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October 21, 2012, 01:43:48 AM
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Not sure, I have no money in Bitconica nor official capacity here.

My apologies.  I presumed that you must have some personal interest given the amount of effort you've put into trying to mediate this clusterfuck.  Although given that you have put in that effort and continue to do so, it would have been courteous of the parties involved to keep you informed of where things are at from a legal standpoint.  

No worries. I have no direct personal nor business interest in the matter.

Yeah, there's so much cross-investment in Bitcoin enterprises that I sometimes lose track of who holds interests in what businesses.  I forgot that it's Roger who holds an interest in BitInstant rather than you holding one in MemoryDealers.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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October 22, 2012, 02:35:14 AM
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Not sure, I have no money in Bitconica nor official capacity here.

My apologies.  I presumed that you must have some personal interest given the amount of effort you've put into trying to mediate this clusterfuck.  Although given that you have put in that effort and continue to do so, it would have been courteous of the parties involved to keep you informed of where things are at from a legal standpoint.  

No worries. I have no direct personal nor business interest in the matter. I have friends and investors that lost alot of money, this whole fiasco has made my job promoting Bitcoin to the world harder, I really want everyone paid back, this put behind us and Donald, Amir and Patrick exiled from our community as fast as possible.

I'm kept up to speed as much as legally allowed (since I have no legal interest, there are things I can't know) but since I'm friends with, have done business with, and are on good terms with most parties involved, I was looked at the neutral mediator in this situation and asked to do it.

However, I'm sorry to say that my patience is running out. Donald, Amir and Patrick are pulling my strings taking us all for a ride for their personal gain. They are the only ones to blame. Lawyers involved are on the verge of quitting, why should they have to deal with incompetent children like Donald, Amir and Patrick?

I've spent to much personal dollars on this already, I'm mentally stressed and no one is to blame except for myself as I took on this role.

The worst part is the lack of respect Donald, Amir and Patrick have for you, the community, and myself. They are sitting back, and laughing at this whole thing. They don't care about you, or your money. They don't care about Bitcoin and it's future, they only care about themselves.

Please, they don't even read this thread! You think they still give a shit?

We need to rise up against them in unity!

-Charlie

Roger Ver is a major investor in BitInstant citation.

Charlie has a direct financial interest in Roger Ver being paid, even at the expense of other bitcoinica customers.

Which is exactly what Roger Ver asked for

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Hi Patrick,

Is it also possible to have some special consideration in regards to the return of my Bitcoins as well?
I often use them for Bitinstant to act as collateral with the different exchanges that Bitinstant works with.

If possible,  please return my 24,841.0935294 BTC to BTC address:   1EiWZECz5A5P2ZbauguHt8B9f4MxnP1dEF

Thank you all,

Roger Ver
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Santa Clara, CA 95054
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Phone:+1 408 486 5650
Fax: +1 408 486 5653
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October 22, 2012, 02:43:04 AM
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Not sure, I have no money in Bitconica nor official capacity here.

My apologies.  I presumed that you must have some personal interest given the amount of effort you've put into trying to mediate this clusterfuck.  Although given that you have put in that effort and continue to do so, it would have been courteous of the parties involved to keep you informed of where things are at from a legal standpoint.  

No worries. I have no direct personal nor business interest in the matter. I have friends and investors that lost alot of money, this whole fiasco has made my job promoting Bitcoin to the world harder, I really want everyone paid back, this put behind us and Donald, Amir and Patrick exiled from our community as fast as possible.

I'm kept up to speed as much as legally allowed (since I have no legal interest, there are things I can't know) but since I'm friends with, have done business with, and are on good terms with most parties involved, I was looked at the neutral mediator in this situation and asked to do it.

However, I'm sorry to say that my patience is running out. Donald, Amir and Patrick are pulling my strings taking us all for a ride for their personal gain. They are the only ones to blame. Lawyers involved are on the verge of quitting, why should they have to deal with incompetent children like Donald, Amir and Patrick?

I've spent to much personal dollars on this already, I'm mentally stressed and no one is to blame except for myself as I took on this role.

The worst part is the lack of respect Donald, Amir and Patrick have for you, the community, and myself. They are sitting back, and laughing at this whole thing. They don't care about you, or your money. They don't care about Bitcoin and it's future, they only care about themselves.

Please, they don't even read this thread! You think they still give a shit?

We need to rise up against them in unity!

-Charlie

Roger Ver is a major investor in BitInstant citation.

Charlie has a direct financial interest in Roger Ver being paid, even at the expense of other bitcoinica customers.

Which is exactly what Roger Ver asked for

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Hi Patrick,

Is it also possible to have some special consideration in regards to the return of my Bitcoins as well?
I often use them for Bitinstant to act as collateral with the different exchanges that Bitinstant works with.

If possible,  please return my 24,841.0935294 BTC to BTC address:   1EiWZECz5A5P2ZbauguHt8B9f4MxnP1dEF

Thank you all,

Roger Ver
MemoryDealers.com, Inc.
3350 Scott Blvd.
Building #32
Santa Clara, CA 95054
USA

Phone:+1 408 486 5650
Fax: +1 408 486 5653
Email: roger@memorydealers.com
Aim: rogerkver
MSN: roger@memorydealers.com
Skype: rogerver

We now accept Bitcoin!  www.bitcoin.org
 
For all yor networking needs visit:
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October 22, 2012, 05:44:48 AM
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Nice dirt.

It's not the first time similar stuff has come up.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_ECG6JRZs-7SXFtdG1QXy1uSnM/edit

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99222.msg1085617#msg1085617

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October 22, 2012, 04:14:17 PM
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Roger Ver is a major investor in BitInstant citation.


So what? These were Rogers assets, nothing to do with BitInstant


Charlie has a direct financial interest in Roger Ver being paid, even at the expense of other bitcoinica customers.


Prove it.

I have no financial interest in Roger being paid. This is his money.


Which is exactly what Roger Ver asked for


This is exactly what you promised Roger and myself when I met you.

All this was prior to the stupid fuck up by Amir who posted the source code and password. All this was pre that hack.

You guys screwed up 3 times. Dont blame us.

The fact remains the same. Look at the circumstances.

Come up with a solution, but hurry up. People are waiting on their money and it's not fair.

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October 22, 2012, 04:22:41 PM
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To be clear,

I offered to give up %100 of what I was owed, along with 3 other creditors so that everyone else would receive back %100 of their funds immediately.
Instead, Amir posted the source code causing additional money to be stolen,  and no one has received any of their money back yet.

Patrick (PhantomCircuit) has lied and stalled at every step of the way.
He is directly responsable for the delays,  if he would cooperate, everyone would have already had the vast majority of their money back.

He has also made personal threats against myself, and resorted to verbal insults towards his other customers.

Any legitimate businessman would not resort to such tactics.


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October 22, 2012, 05:22:49 PM
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How is it that phantomcircuit STILL doesn't have a scammer tag??
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How is it that phantomcircuit STILL doesn't have a scammer tag??

That's an excellent question.
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How is it that phantomcircuit STILL doesn't have a scammer tag??

That's an excellent question.

Yes, what the fuck is wrong with this forum?
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How is it that phantomcircuit STILL doesn't have a scammer tag??

That's an excellent question.

I think someone around here fucking respects him.

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How is it that phantomcircuit STILL doesn't have a scammer tag??

That's an excellent question.

I think someone around here fucking respects him.

Who?

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How is it that phantomcircuit STILL doesn't have a scammer tag??

That's an excellent question.

I think someone around here fucking respects him.

Who?

Genjix and phantomcircuit are not scammers.  If this was an inside job, these two people were not in on it.
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