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July 27, 2015, 06:23:19 PM
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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game
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July 27, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!

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July 27, 2015, 07:50:35 PM
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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!

Skeptic for good reason,I believe this idea was floated around a few times(Chess for cash) and recall joining one of those site around 2009 and it was bot infested within a month. Its just like trade bots and poker bots,people will take the advantage every time.

That said I forgot about this thread and interested to see how it is doing.
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July 27, 2015, 07:52:49 PM
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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!

Skeptic for good reason,I believe this idea was floated around a few times(Chess for cash) and recall joining one of those site around 2009 and it was bot infested within a month. Its just like trade bots and poker bots,people will take the advantage every time.

That said I forgot about this thread and interested to see how it is doing.

Skeptic for an okay reason I suppose, but no point in ruining his thread. 90% of this chat has been speculating about a bot, well lets wait and find out for real.


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August 13, 2015, 04:56:46 PM
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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Feel free to join my thread if you want to play for free.

No prizes, just the opportunity for the bitcointalk community to play a top rated player for free!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148538.msg12096904#msg12096904

Cheating is a major issue in chess so I do not recommend playing for bitcoin online (unless your goal is solely entertainment).  Many tournaments now have strict rules to prevent players from accessing computer aided assistance during games.

I can confirm that every chess player in the world would currently lose in a long match versus a top computer. There is a very small chance for a human to win (and larger chance to draw especially with white) in any given game but ZERO chance any human would win a long match.

This is not an issue open for debate in 2015. This was a legitimate debate in the 1990's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_versus_Garry_Kasparov


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August 13, 2015, 05:30:38 PM
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How can I find someone to play this site?


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August 13, 2015, 06:19:42 PM
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How can I find someone to play this site?

Did you read my post? I am one of the top players in the world and I would not play for bitcoin against a stranger online. My caveat was that if you are just betting a small amount for purely entertainment reasons then I see no problem. Most people are unlikely to cheat if playing for a very small amount as it is essentially just a waste of time.

It does not matter if the site operator is completely honest or has "software to detect bots". There are free chess programs available that any user could run from another machine completely undetected good enough to beat me or anyone else. You will not find one Grandmaster who disagrees with me regarding the strength of current chess engines.

If you want to bet against someone who you know and trust completely, then do so.  I see no purpose of involving a 3rd party gambling site to hold your funds or take a cut. There are many free websites and mobile apps you can use for free to play against someone you know.

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August 14, 2015, 10:21:48 AM
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Chess and gambling? It makes no sense.
To gamble, chance should be a part of the game. It will make more sense if others can bet on players.

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September 09, 2015, 08:24:14 PM
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Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.

Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. In the past there have been attempts to create multiplayer online board game lobbies with betting. Gambit.com would be an example. But it doesn't accept bitcoin any more.

I wish this website can become a great platform for chess because I love both chess and bitcoin.

An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800

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September 09, 2015, 09:20:35 PM
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An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800

I think that has been mentioned about a million times already, in this thread alone. Tongue

At any rate, even if the general idea is right, comparing the rating of a computer chess program with a human player directly doesn't tend to work very well, due to the way ratings are calculated1 - basically, there aren't enough high profile computer versus human matches for that to provide very accurate information by itself (though, again, it's undisputed that computer engines can be much stronger than human players).

1 - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_engine#Comparisons, below the engine's table.

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September 10, 2015, 09:13:30 PM
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This is the reason it's hard to make any PVP based casino game. When people smell money they will spend long hours making hacks to take advantage of the system and PvP games need to receive a lot of input from the player's computer, which is a weakness.

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September 11, 2015, 01:04:15 AM
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Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.

Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. In the past there have been attempts to create multiplayer online board game lobbies with betting. Gambit.com would be an example. But it doesn't accept bitcoin any more.

I wish this website can become a great platform for chess because I love both chess and bitcoin.

An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800
that's pretty insane but for someone to have programmed that wouldn't they have been able to produce a score that is 3000+ also? , or am i just completely wrong
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September 11, 2015, 01:07:52 AM
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I can't access the site.  Huh

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September 11, 2015, 01:55:30 AM
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An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800
that's pretty insane but for someone to have programmed that wouldn't they have been able to produce a score that is 3000+ also? , or am i just completely wrong

Well, no, that's not really how it works. In this case, computer programs rely first and foremost in their capacity to quickly look ahead through the large number of available moves, analyzing every possible course of action and its consequence, within a set time frame (optimized with some clever algorithms, so they don't actually waste time checking any and every move) - something that a human player just can't really do as well, or as fast (even if they know how that process works in theory).





This is the reason it's hard to make any PVP based casino game. When people smell money they will spend long hours making hacks to take advantage of the system and PvP games need to receive a lot of input from the player's computer, which is a weakness.

There are at least a few ways to overcome the advantage computers have: one way could be to increase the number of possible moves in a game; another could be to avoid perfect information games (where both/all players have access to all available information on the status of the game).

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September 11, 2015, 02:09:22 AM
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An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800
that's pretty insane but for someone to have programmed that wouldn't they have been able to produce a score that is 3000+ also? , or am i just completely wrong

Well, no, that's not really how it works. In this case, computer programs rely first and foremost in their capacity to quickly look ahead through the large number of available moves, analyzing every possible course of action and its consequence, within a set time frame (optimized with some clever algorithms, so they don't actually waste time checking any and every move) - something that a human player just can't really do as well, or as fast (even if they know how that process works in theory).





This is the reason it's hard to make any PVP based casino game. When people smell money they will spend long hours making hacks to take advantage of the system and PvP games need to receive a lot of input from the player's computer, which is a weakness.

There are at least a few ways to overcome the advantage computers have: one way could be to increase the number of possible moves in a game; another could be to avoid perfect information games (where both/all players have access to all available information on the status of the game).
ah, thanks for clearing that up for me, after that post i googled a little bit about the subject and found out pretty much what you explained, thanks though
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September 11, 2015, 02:56:17 AM
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Very cool!
Finally! a chess game site where we can play for Bitcoin and one perfectly suitable for Bitcoiners
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September 11, 2015, 02:59:40 AM
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I don't really think there's a good way to prove that you're not using a computer to play against the players, this site wasn't thought through.

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September 11, 2015, 03:05:23 AM
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Chess bots are unavoidable.  The best chess bots are far better than any human chess player, including world champions.  In almost all cases, forcing a draw would be the best anyone can do; the brute force calculation is too strong.  See the history of chess bots such as "Stockfish" to get an idea of what you'd be up against.  These bots are accessible to the average person, and people would certainly use them if allowed. 

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September 11, 2015, 03:07:07 AM
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Chess bots are unavoidable.  The best chess bots are far better than any human chess player, including world champions.  In almost all cases, forcing a draw would be the best anyone can do; the brute force calculation is too strong.  See the history of chess bots such as "Stockfish" to get an idea of what you'd be up against.  These bots are accessible to the average person, and people would certainly use them if allowed. 
Yeah, I would really avoid wagering any money on this site if you're up against a computer. You have no way of telling what kind of "difficulty" it's set at, if it's even restricted at all.

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September 11, 2015, 03:09:25 AM
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How can I find someone to play this site?
not many people like playing chess because need spend many time to playing this game

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