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July 09, 2015, 02:21:39 PM
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Bots would destroy the betting game.
Everyone would use bots and force all the average to weak players out of the game.
In the end, there will be only bots left.

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July 09, 2015, 02:26:22 PM
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oh finally , it's really interesting to have something new in the market
I will join the site for sure when it has more traffic
but as everyone said , you should watch the action and keep trying to avoid bots

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July 09, 2015, 02:31:43 PM
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This will never go anywhere.

The reason why people are being 'honest' and abstaining from using bots online is because they are actually love the game and play for the intellectual challenge and to improve.

But when you add betting to that, it all goes out of the window, it will never ever work.

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July 09, 2015, 02:34:32 PM
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I haven't played chess for many years. Saw this post and I am going to challenge someone

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July 09, 2015, 03:08:22 PM
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Bots would destroy the betting game.
Everyone would use bots and force all the average to weak players out of the game.
In the end, there will be only bots left.

Well then, I guess that creates another market opportunity: figure out what bot/program a player is using, and design one to counter it (or download one, if you can't be bothered). In the end, you might end up with a programming competition, rather than a chess match. Wink





Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. [...]

Tell that to Kasparov - where have you been these last 20 years? Tongue

Chess is a perfect information game (that is, a game where both players have full knowledge of the complete state of the game), with relatively few movement options - perfect for computers to play, and win, against humans. Furthermore, their capabilities only improve with each passing year, alongside processing power and changes in programming techniques.

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July 09, 2015, 03:24:58 PM
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Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. [...]

Tell that to Kasparov - where have you been these last 20 years? Tongue

Chess is a perfect information game (that is, a game where both players have full knowledge of the complete state of the game), with relatively few movement options - perfect for computers to play, and win, against humans. Furthermore, their capabilities only improve with each passing year, alongside processing power and changes in programming techniques.


Assuming they make their own engine, and most of the gambling is rather small, I doubt anyone will spend the effort to develop a bot for this.
Anyways, I see this as completely fair. I can imagine that every single person competing would just end up downloading a chess AI and manually copying in the moves.
It's going to be about who can google "free chess software" better.

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July 09, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
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is it even possible to win against the pc on it? im pretty sure its unbeatable is it? or are there levels of it?

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July 09, 2015, 04:04:03 PM
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is it even possible to win against the pc on it? im pretty sure its unbeatable is it? or are there levels of it?

Hmm, I imagine it will depend on the specific chess program, but some will have a difficulty "level" you can set; however, what this usually translates to (and what you will likely have in all, or almost all chess engines) is how much time you're giving a computer to choose its move, how many moves ahead it will be allowed to look, whether it has a list of all typical opening moves and ending moves, and a few other options. So, you can definitely play against a beatable computer opponent if you want to.

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July 09, 2015, 05:06:03 PM
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yes i think it will be intresting,
currently i put deposit method as manual , but soon it will be instant deposit and withdraws,,
if any one is having any concern about payments can reply this post
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July 09, 2015, 08:30:42 PM
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Take a look at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number

Have you ever played chess? How come you think botting is a good idea?














 

 

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July 09, 2015, 09:07:19 PM
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i am pretty sure it wont have any success because people will start abusing it with bots, though its really sad that they do that

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July 10, 2015, 04:13:02 AM
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I like the concept to be able to bet on games of skill.

However unlike poker, bots in chess are essentially unbeatable. Chess bots are also a lot easier to use than poker bots so I am afraid this concept will not work.

Try to come up with new skill games for which bots do not exist yet
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July 10, 2015, 04:29:58 AM
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Take a look at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number

Have you ever played chess? How come you think botting is a good idea?

Chess software doesn't figure out the best possible move, as the figure you have shown assumes.
It simply needs to figure out a really good move. It usually looks 10-20 moves ahead, analysing different moves and looking at what effects it would have in the long run.
This is done by comparing the value lost or gained by each move in the equivalent of pawns, eventually figuring out which move will gain the most in positional or material advantage.
Sure, it can't look forward for the entire game, but it still can play better than any person can.

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July 10, 2015, 04:34:33 AM
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Take a look at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number

Have you ever played chess? How come you think botting is a good idea?

I think you're missing the point alani123. The idea isn't that chess is a simple and trivial game, for which a computer can easily come up with a perfect strategy; the idea is that a computer is much better at searching for the ideal course of action, many moves in advance, when compared to a human - even when compared to someone at a grandmaster level, let alone a casual player on the internet. In fact, we're now at a point that even a handheld device, a simple mobile phone, equipped with the latest chess engine, can outperform human players in chess tournaments.

But don't take my word for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-computer_chess_matches.

Edit: seems jambola2 beat me to it. Tongue

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July 10, 2015, 04:41:26 AM
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I just registered at your and its designed pretty well, I like sober graphics and although my fears are same as others I'll see if I can play some low staked games, so even if I end up losing to bots I won't lose anything substantial.

The idea of online chess with gambling don't go well together, if it did you would have seen it implemented already and it goes for all skilled based online games.

Any sign up promotions to test the site? If so, my nick is same there.

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July 10, 2015, 05:54:46 AM
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Also,why I asked for checkers,or waitvwait I have an idea! What about Othello or Reversi as people usually call it? Please please please!
You'll probably even find more partners that will be able to request you to become their allies.
Returning at why I chose checkers?I'm bad at chess.

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July 10, 2015, 06:29:07 AM
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Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation.

Maybe in the 1950s, but in 2015 people are sneaking phones with bots on them into chess competitions and DESTROYING.  In fact, in giving an interview about the most recent incident (in which a grandmaster was caught using an iphone with chess software on it), the chief arbiter of the USCC said:

SIEGEL: I read one claim that the difference between cheating at chess and, say, taking a performance-enhancing drug for baseball or whatever other game is that somebody of virtually no talent given access to a computer could defeat a grandmaster nowadays. Is that true?

RICH: That's right. It would be like an amateur baseball player putting on a bionic suit to hit the ball 500 feet out and hit a homerun every time; it is that equivalent of aid.

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/15/399937742/chess-grandmaster-caught-in-high-tech-cheating-scheme

So, I'm pretty sure that you don't know what you're talking about.
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July 10, 2015, 06:42:54 AM
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The thing with chess and online gambling is it boils down to bots playing.  That has always been the main concern with online chess for money.  I agree this is a problem.  The only solution I know of is to have a community that validates users for not using bots.  Even this is not a end all solution as one could just play legit for some games and then cheat.

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July 10, 2015, 06:54:16 AM
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Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. [...]

Tell that to Kasparov - where have you been these last 20 years? Tongue

Chess is a perfect information game (that is, a game where both players have full knowledge of the complete state of the game), with relatively few movement options - perfect for computers to play, and win, against humans. Furthermore, their capabilities only improve with each passing year, alongside processing power and changes in programming techniques.


Assuming they make their own engine, and most of the gambling is rather small, I doubt anyone will spend the effort to develop a bot for this.
Anyways, I see this as completely fair. I can imagine that every single person competing would just end up downloading a chess AI and manually copying in the moves.
It's going to be about who can google "free chess software" better.


There are ''counter chess engines'' out there in many famous chess websites that can detect you using a powerful engine by looking at your moves and you will get caught, believe me, of course its not infallible but it's better than nothing.

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July 10, 2015, 07:03:45 AM
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Its working? I really want to play with bitcoins hehe  Grin
Challenge me anyone..
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