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July 08, 2015, 07:53:20 PM
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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
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July 08, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
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i'm trying to register but it returning me nothing
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July 08, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
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How does it work?
It's about tournaments or you play against someone for an amount that you bet?

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July 08, 2015, 08:17:37 PM
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Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

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July 08, 2015, 08:22:51 PM
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i'm trying to register but it returning me nothing
if it returns u re try it
i am working on it
some time it stucks lot of people visiting same time
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July 08, 2015, 08:30:33 PM
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Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.
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July 08, 2015, 08:35:30 PM
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How does it work?
It's about tournaments or you play against someone for an amount that you bet?
yes u can play tournaments but site is new, cannot tournment have to wait and see some traffic,
but you can play another plays
each bit is 5points it means 5$ we will later let bigger bids but this time per match is 5$
if u win u will get 5$ and if u loss u will see loss of 5$
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July 08, 2015, 08:45:55 PM
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Please make checkers instead of chess... please! Roll Eyes

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July 08, 2015, 08:49:21 PM
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Please make checkers instead of chess... please! Roll Eyes
i will look for it also,
now i created this chess site i will have to wait and see sites response
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July 08, 2015, 08:52:43 PM
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Ill sign up and have my buddy come over to put a hurting on fellow bitcoin chess players  Wink lol



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July 08, 2015, 08:54:29 PM
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Please make checkers instead of chess... please! Roll Eyes
It would be nice for me too

I like both check and checkers
But Chess is longer and with higher strategy
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July 08, 2015, 08:57:44 PM
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Please make checkers instead of chess... please! Roll Eyes
It would be nice for me too

I like both check and checkers
But Chess is longer and with higher strategy
i am experimenting no one ever try chess for bitcoins,
maybe this becomes good platform for people who betting on unknown events rather then trying there skills,
i think skill games are more fun rather then betting on a sport event or any other form of gambling
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July 08, 2015, 09:22:12 PM
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Interesting concept but you need to add more detail to your OP if you wanna bring visitors to your site to be honest. Wet don't know enough about it right now.

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July 08, 2015, 09:42:58 PM
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Interesting concept but you need to add more detail to your OP if you wanna bring visitors to your site to be honest. Wet don't know enough about it right now.
yes i will be promoting it soon
and i am sure it will last without any scams etc,  for now i can just say trust over site it will not disspoint
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July 08, 2015, 10:02:48 PM
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how can you assure that we are not playing against bots?
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July 08, 2015, 10:07:27 PM
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Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.

Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. In the past there have been attempts to create multiplayer online board game lobbies with betting. Gambit.com would be an example. But it doesn't accept bitcoin any more.

I wish this website can become a great platform for chess because I love both chess and bitcoin.














 

 

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July 08, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
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how can you assure that we are not playing against bots?
well i my self do not like to play with bots and bots cannot exist they always move with a exact timing
and there chat always is off
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July 08, 2015, 10:10:49 PM
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how can you assure that we are not playing against bots?
well i my self do not like to play with bots and bots cannot exist they always move with a exact timing
and there chat always is off

I didnt got what you said? How can you assure all that they are really playing against a real person and not a bot. there can be a good bot copy running at backend. can u assure we are playing against real players?

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July 08, 2015, 10:16:55 PM
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how can you assure that we are not playing against bots?
well i my self do not like to play with bots and bots cannot exist they always move with a exact timing
and there chat always is off

I didnt got what you said? How can you assure all that they are really playing against a real person and not a bot. there can be a good bot copy running at backend. can u assure we are playing against real players?
well if any one playing with exact time pattern, not respoinding admin chat if admin wants to confirm there is no bot runing, and i am looking for very complicated sign up system,
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July 08, 2015, 10:38:02 PM
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Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.

Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. In the past there have been attempts to create multiplayer online board game lobbies with betting. Gambit.com would be an example. But it doesn't accept bitcoin any more.

I wish this website can become a great platform for chess because I love both chess and bitcoin.

Not everyone is an avid chess player, and if someone wants to play with a bot then they would rather do so without betting on it. I didn't say other board games couldn't be created, but chess happens to be something that can have a bot involved in the game and could become extremely hard to play with.
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July 09, 2015, 02:21:39 PM
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Bots would destroy the betting game.
Everyone would use bots and force all the average to weak players out of the game.
In the end, there will be only bots left.

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July 09, 2015, 02:26:22 PM
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oh finally , it's really interesting to have something new in the market
I will join the site for sure when it has more traffic
but as everyone said , you should watch the action and keep trying to avoid bots

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July 09, 2015, 02:31:43 PM
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This will never go anywhere.

The reason why people are being 'honest' and abstaining from using bots online is because they are actually love the game and play for the intellectual challenge and to improve.

But when you add betting to that, it all goes out of the window, it will never ever work.

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I haven't played chess for many years. Saw this post and I am going to challenge someone

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July 09, 2015, 03:08:22 PM
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Bots would destroy the betting game.
Everyone would use bots and force all the average to weak players out of the game.
In the end, there will be only bots left.

Well then, I guess that creates another market opportunity: figure out what bot/program a player is using, and design one to counter it (or download one, if you can't be bothered). In the end, you might end up with a programming competition, rather than a chess match. Wink





Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. [...]

Tell that to Kasparov - where have you been these last 20 years? Tongue

Chess is a perfect information game (that is, a game where both players have full knowledge of the complete state of the game), with relatively few movement options - perfect for computers to play, and win, against humans. Furthermore, their capabilities only improve with each passing year, alongside processing power and changes in programming techniques.
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July 09, 2015, 03:24:58 PM
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Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. [...]

Tell that to Kasparov - where have you been these last 20 years? Tongue

Chess is a perfect information game (that is, a game where both players have full knowledge of the complete state of the game), with relatively few movement options - perfect for computers to play, and win, against humans. Furthermore, their capabilities only improve with each passing year, alongside processing power and changes in programming techniques.


Assuming they make their own engine, and most of the gambling is rather small, I doubt anyone will spend the effort to develop a bot for this.
Anyways, I see this as completely fair. I can imagine that every single person competing would just end up downloading a chess AI and manually copying in the moves.
It's going to be about who can google "free chess software" better.

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July 09, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
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is it even possible to win against the pc on it? im pretty sure its unbeatable is it? or are there levels of it?

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is it even possible to win against the pc on it? im pretty sure its unbeatable is it? or are there levels of it?

Hmm, I imagine it will depend on the specific chess program, but some will have a difficulty "level" you can set; however, what this usually translates to (and what you will likely have in all, or almost all chess engines) is how much time you're giving a computer to choose its move, how many moves ahead it will be allowed to look, whether it has a list of all typical opening moves and ending moves, and a few other options. So, you can definitely play against a beatable computer opponent if you want to.
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yes i think it will be intresting,
currently i put deposit method as manual , but soon it will be instant deposit and withdraws,,
if any one is having any concern about payments can reply this post
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July 09, 2015, 08:30:42 PM
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Take a look at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number

Have you ever played chess? How come you think botting is a good idea?














 

 

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i am pretty sure it wont have any success because people will start abusing it with bots, though its really sad that they do that

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July 10, 2015, 04:13:02 AM
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I like the concept to be able to bet on games of skill.

However unlike poker, bots in chess are essentially unbeatable. Chess bots are also a lot easier to use than poker bots so I am afraid this concept will not work.

Try to come up with new skill games for which bots do not exist yet
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Take a look at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number

Have you ever played chess? How come you think botting is a good idea?

Chess software doesn't figure out the best possible move, as the figure you have shown assumes.
It simply needs to figure out a really good move. It usually looks 10-20 moves ahead, analysing different moves and looking at what effects it would have in the long run.
This is done by comparing the value lost or gained by each move in the equivalent of pawns, eventually figuring out which move will gain the most in positional or material advantage.
Sure, it can't look forward for the entire game, but it still can play better than any person can.

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Take a look at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number

Have you ever played chess? How come you think botting is a good idea?

I think you're missing the point alani123. The idea isn't that chess is a simple and trivial game, for which a computer can easily come up with a perfect strategy; the idea is that a computer is much better at searching for the ideal course of action, many moves in advance, when compared to a human - even when compared to someone at a grandmaster level, let alone a casual player on the internet. In fact, we're now at a point that even a handheld device, a simple mobile phone, equipped with the latest chess engine, can outperform human players in chess tournaments.

But don't take my word for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-computer_chess_matches.

Edit: seems jambola2 beat me to it. Tongue
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I just registered at your and its designed pretty well, I like sober graphics and although my fears are same as others I'll see if I can play some low staked games, so even if I end up losing to bots I won't lose anything substantial.

The idea of online chess with gambling don't go well together, if it did you would have seen it implemented already and it goes for all skilled based online games.

Any sign up promotions to test the site? If so, my nick is same there.

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Also,why I asked for checkers,or waitvwait I have an idea! What about Othello or Reversi as people usually call it? Please please please!
You'll probably even find more partners that will be able to request you to become their allies.
Returning at why I chose checkers?I'm bad at chess.

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Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation.

Maybe in the 1950s, but in 2015 people are sneaking phones with bots on them into chess competitions and DESTROYING.  In fact, in giving an interview about the most recent incident (in which a grandmaster was caught using an iphone with chess software on it), the chief arbiter of the USCC said:

SIEGEL: I read one claim that the difference between cheating at chess and, say, taking a performance-enhancing drug for baseball or whatever other game is that somebody of virtually no talent given access to a computer could defeat a grandmaster nowadays. Is that true?

RICH: That's right. It would be like an amateur baseball player putting on a bionic suit to hit the ball 500 feet out and hit a homerun every time; it is that equivalent of aid.

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/15/399937742/chess-grandmaster-caught-in-high-tech-cheating-scheme

So, I'm pretty sure that you don't know what you're talking about.
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The thing with chess and online gambling is it boils down to bots playing.  That has always been the main concern with online chess for money.  I agree this is a problem.  The only solution I know of is to have a community that validates users for not using bots.  Even this is not a end all solution as one could just play legit for some games and then cheat.

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Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. [...]

Tell that to Kasparov - where have you been these last 20 years? Tongue

Chess is a perfect information game (that is, a game where both players have full knowledge of the complete state of the game), with relatively few movement options - perfect for computers to play, and win, against humans. Furthermore, their capabilities only improve with each passing year, alongside processing power and changes in programming techniques.


Assuming they make their own engine, and most of the gambling is rather small, I doubt anyone will spend the effort to develop a bot for this.
Anyways, I see this as completely fair. I can imagine that every single person competing would just end up downloading a chess AI and manually copying in the moves.
It's going to be about who can google "free chess software" better.


There are ''counter chess engines'' out there in many famous chess websites that can detect you using a powerful engine by looking at your moves and you will get caught, believe me, of course its not infallible but it's better than nothing.
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Its working? I really want to play with bitcoins hehe  Grin
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Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. [...]

Tell that to Kasparov - where have you been these last 20 years? Tongue

Chess is a perfect information game (that is, a game where both players have full knowledge of the complete state of the game), with relatively few movement options - perfect for computers to play, and win, against humans. Furthermore, their capabilities only improve with each passing year, alongside processing power and changes in programming techniques.

You're not wrong. The specific comment I was replying to was just me pointing out how silly the term "chess bot" was in my opinion. Sure, there is software that when combined with strong hardware (among other things mentioned later) is close to impossible to beat by humans. But an important aspect thing about them is that they have access to many opening books and tablebases. Stockfish for example (the highest ranking chess AI) even has a voluntary "botnet" of people donating processing power for it to learn.














 

 

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i am sure it will be not easy for some one to run a bot on this site. i wll keep capture each match and will analyisis players moves, and will make sign up system we hard so it will be not easy for a bot to log in in this site
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You're not wrong. The specific comment I was replying to was just me pointing out how silly the term "chess bot" was in my opinion. Sure, there is software that when combined with strong hardware (among other things mentioned later) is close to impossible to beat by humans. But an important aspect thing about them is that they have access to many opening books and tablebases. Stockfish for example (the highest ranking chess AI) even has a voluntary "botnet" of people donating processing power for it to learn.

Hmm, yes, the term "chess bot" might seem to be a bit misleading; although to be fair, it's still accurate: chess programs aren't endowing the computer with any greater understanding of how chess is played - it's still mostly an automation task, where the computer is using brute force to check all the possible outcomes in any given situation (access to typical opening and closing moves doesn't change this; they're just another tool).

But more importantly, as I previously alluded to, and as Revelation Machine (now that's an original nickname Tongue) pointed out as well, you don't really need strong hardware, or any other elaborate schemes, in order to have an already (close to) unbeatable computer opponent; a simple smart phone will do nowadays - in other words, anyone has access to them.





i am sure it will be not easy for some one to run a bot on this site. i wll keep capture each match and will analyisis players moves, and will make sign up system we hard so it will be not easy for a bot to log in in this site

I'm not sure if increasing the difficulty of signing up, and other such measures, is a good idea - they might end up making the site less useable, while not really stopping players from using their favorite chess program to cheat. But, perhaps analyzing player moves as you mentioned, maybe along the lines of what XinXan previously suggested, might help somewhat.
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i am sure it will be not easy for some one to run a bot on this site. i wll keep capture each match and will analyisis players moves, and will make sign up system we hard so it will be not easy for a bot to log in in this site

I'm not sure if increasing the difficulty of signing up, and other such measures, is a good idea - they might end up making the site less useable, while not really stopping players from using their favorite chess program to cheat. But, perhaps analyzing player moves as you mentioned, maybe along the lines of what XinXan previously suggested, might help somewhat.


That's quite problematic too, to be honest. If it is not done in realtime, as in the analysis will be done after the match (as the "i will keep capture each match" suggests), withdrawals will be delayed. This will be bad for any site, especially if they are new.
Chess.com is a rather famous site. How do they do it ? They wait for reports from players of cheating. After a player is reported for cheating, their plays will be monitored and analysed. Not one game, over multiple games.
An online chess website that involves money can't afford to let a cheater poach their regular players, but they cannot also risk banning players that are just good at chess.
Also, banning won't mean much. On chess.com, there are very few tournaments with prize money, and those are open to only established players. Most of whom pay between 5-14$ a month for various tiers of membership. On the other hand, losing an account after breaking even wouldn't mean much. Boot up a proxy, start cheating again.

TL;DR: Stopping cheating is hard when there is no monetary incentive. When there is money involved though, it's pretty near impossible.

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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
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oh realy?i love chess, but I've never played for money/btc... i must try:)

edit: yupi!! i have account. very interesting idea;)

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July 11, 2015, 10:38:05 AM
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Your site looks great!!! And congrats for coming up with a new idea ..... i love chess and i look forward to earn few bitcoin by playing chess on your site

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i like play chess i'm waiting your challenge. anyone try play the tournament?

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Cheating needs to be addressed.Everyone could use his external chess program to beat the other.
I think blitz games would be harder to exploit. We need blitz chess.
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Cheating needs to be addressed.Everyone could use his external chess program to beat the other.
I think blitz games would be harder to exploit. We need blitz chess.

I think it would really have to be Lightning Chess for people to have trouble using bots. Wink

But no, that wouldn't work either - not only would players still use some form of bot to copy moves directly to their chess engine (without the need for human intervention), but the computer program would still be better than the human players, despite the time constraints.
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this won't work. I think 90% of the participants will try to cheat using bots or an external chess game. this will always happen on any online chess games.

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this won't work. I think 90% of the participants will try to cheat using bots or an external chess game. this will always happen on any online chess games.

I agree with you and all others, chess sites are easy to exploit and players will surely cheat to earn bitcoin by using external chess game

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Cheating needs to be addressed.Everyone could use his external chess program to beat the other.
I think blitz games would be harder to exploit. We need blitz chess.

I think it would really have to be Lightning Chess for people to have trouble using bots. Wink

But no, that wouldn't work either - not only would players still use some form of bot to copy moves directly to their chess engine (without the need for human intervention), but the computer program would still be better than the human players, despite the time constraints.

Lightning chess would only work if the board size, piece dimensions, etc were randomized and changed often to avoid automatic screen capture by a computer.

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Lightning chess would only work if the board size, piece dimensions, etc were randomized and changed often to avoid automatic screen capture by a computer.

That's an interesting idea, but I still doubt it would work - off the top of my head: the board is still a grid with 8 x 8 squares, regardless of the actual size of each square, and their colors will still alternate in a predictable manner (even is the colors change somewhat); and the starting positions for all the pieces are still the same, even if a script would need to search around for the right place on the board (I imagine it would then not be too hard for such a program to hold the image of a piece in memory and then compare, maybe a number of border pixels on that image, to the pieces present in the board).

So, I assume this would make cheating by most players fairly hard1; but considering there is money involved, the site is going to get some dedicated cheaters in there, I'm sure. Also, if the developers take it too far (like, not using actual squares for each position in the grid), they risk turning the board into a piece of modern art, which may scare away a few players. Cheesy

1 - Well, if cheaters really want to use a bot for that. At some point, it might just be easier for them to, for example, share the prize money with someone else, and have them manually copy the moves to another device (say, a smartphone), while the first copies the result back to the site; or some other similar arrangement.
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I know how to play chess but I don't think it's really worth the time for chess.  Not for me anyways.  I prefer in-person games to see the thoughts on other players faces.  Man, I thought poker was boring.  I can just imagine an online chess game.  The timers would be interesting.  People could really cheat and get computer help on best moves but maybe a strict timer system would curtail the cheating but then also limit the game play.  yeah, just don't see it for me.
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i am sure it will be not easy for some one to run a bot on this site. i wll keep capture each match and will analyisis players moves, and will make sign up system we hard so it will be not easy for a bot to log in in this site

Thats fine, but what about a passive bot where a player is doing the actually moves, but a bot is deciding them?  It would be virtually undetectable.

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i am sure it will be not easy for some one to run a bot on this site. i wll keep capture each match and will analyisis players moves, and will make sign up system we hard so it will be not easy for a bot to log in in this site

Actually implenting something as such wouldn't be too difficult. There is already an chess algo which is used to beat maybe gambling websites.

But it depends how much time someone has.

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July 14, 2015, 10:22:36 AM
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this won't work. I think 90% of the participants will try to cheat using bots or an external chess game. this will always happen on any online chess games.

I agree with you and all others, chess sites are easy to exploit and players will surely cheat to earn bitcoin by using external chess game

This discussion made me think of the challenges that had kasparov against deep Blue
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i am sure it will be not easy for some one to run a bot on this site. i wll keep capture each match and will analyisis players moves, and will make sign up system we hard so it will be not easy for a bot to log in in this site

Thats fine, but what about a passive bot where a player is doing the actually moves, but a bot is deciding them?  It would be virtually undetectable.

What about you set your windows chess no the maximum level and use the moves it uses against you to play vs others.  I guess that doesn't help you if there are questions relating to chess strategy but it does make you very hard to beat.
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July 14, 2015, 12:21:53 PM
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I was thinking the same and yet, even for othello there would be the same problem, there is an app that tells you which is the best move to do and which is ev- so yeah... it would be still a nice challenge... add Othello mate.

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July 14, 2015, 04:37:32 PM
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Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.


Yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking.  Even my old copy of chessmaster, which is not supposed to have the best engine out there from what I understand, could beat 99% of human players I think.

What the heck, I might as well fire up the old beast of a game lol.
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July 14, 2015, 04:51:10 PM
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If the owner finds a way to ensure the players that they are actually playing against humans then it could work.

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July 14, 2015, 05:20:03 PM
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If the owner finds a way to ensure the players that they are actually playing against humans then it could work.

People have talked about how impossible that is for 3 pages now. It is clear that the owner doesn't care. And why should he care? Since it is p2p, he gets his house cut regardless of whether bots are used.

Stay away if you're an honest player.

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July 14, 2015, 09:39:16 PM
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Great games concept, but any new update from op about real live players vs players??

Actually i dont care if i must play again others else that have both anatoly karpov and garry Kasparov brain running beside him  Cheesy

Btw anyone have any side for playing chess base on bitcoin??
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July 14, 2015, 10:08:09 PM
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I love playing chess. And If the owner cared to make his game more trustable I would have surely played. Its a nice concept but owner should really pay attention to comments and take action.

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I love playing chess. And If the owner cared to make his game more trustable I would have surely played. Its a nice concept but owner should really pay attention to comments and take action.

Well, to be fair, there is only so much anyone can do under the circumstances - there probably is no realistic way to stop players from cheating at these types of online games, and rewarding them with money for their efforts will only make it worse.

Still, the developers do seem to be paying attention to comments and, at least, trying to take action:

i am sure it will be not easy for some one to run a bot on this site. i wll keep capture each match and will analyisis players moves, and will make sign up system we hard so it will be not easy for a bot to log in in this site
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Does anyone play on here yet? I checked on the site a couple times recently and there were no games to join. I understand I run a risk of playing against a bot but I would like to give it a shot either way.

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Does anyone play on here yet? I checked on the site a couple times recently and there were no games to join. I understand I run a risk of playing against a bot but I would like to give it a shot either way.

not enough traffic for the site thats why there are no games to be found.
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Does anyone play on here yet? I checked on the site a couple times recently and there were no games to join. I understand I run a risk of playing against a bot but I would like to give it a shot either way.

not enough traffic for the site thats why there are no games to be found.

Yes the site yet doesn't have much traffic , i too had checked on site many times but did not find games to join....

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I'm a chess player myself and if we aren't playing with bots here, there is a higher chance of winning if you are good with chess.
I sure would be playing such if someone could just confirm users playing with users here in bitcoin community. Smiley


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I'm a chess player myself and if we aren't playing with bots here, there is a higher chance of winning if you are good with chess.
I sure would be playing such if someone could just confirm users playing with users here in bitcoin community. Smiley

How? I say "hi enhu, let's play a game".
You play against "jambola2" on the website.
I open up a chess program in the background, type in every move you play, and destroy you.
You might decide to put negative trust on me for botting.
But what proof do you have? I may be a GM level player.
The only thing you could do is decide to play with people you trust a lot. Then it becomes more of a question of why are you using this website? Play on a free website and directly play the person you're playing with. You won't have to even pay the house rake.

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July 15, 2015, 05:03:29 PM
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Hi,

I had a Chess game installed on my PC (not there now), but still have another one on my mobile.
When mimicking the plays of the PvE, taking black in the PvP game has the advantage, unless the move is the same.

The fairness of the game is challenged, and you will never know whether you are playing against a bot in reality or not, and soon you will start using it too (esp. if you lose Wink).

Well, my app supports handicaps, so the best way is to change the game, literally. Smiley

Switch the positions of the Bishop and Knight in the chessboard, and Voila! you get a chess game that you can play with real opponents!

Just invented Anti-Bot Chess (ABC), the PvP version of the Chess. Grin
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I think people would play othello more easly without the absurd risk of botting, even if there is a chance for it to be done, it would be easier to play so it would be more fun.

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I think people would play othello more easly without the absurd risk of botting, even if there is a chance for it to be done, it would be easier to play so it would be more fun.
whats the point of doing that? almost all thinking games can be botted, what would lead to people getting mad about it, i think there is no need to create such gambling websites

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Hi,

I had a Chess game installed on my PC (not there now), but still have another one on my mobile.
When mimicking the plays of the PvE, taking black in the PvP game has the advantage, unless the move is the same.

The fairness of the game is challenged, and you will never know whether you are playing against a bot in reality or not, and soon you will start using it too (esp. if you lose Wink).

Well, my app supports handicaps, so the best way is to change the game, literally. Smiley

Switch the positions of the Bishop and Knight in the chessboard, and Voila! you get a chess game that you can play with real opponents!

Just invented Anti-Bot Chess (ABC), the PvP version of the Chess. Grin

You do realize that most chess programs allow you to set the starting positions of the pieces in the board, right? Tongue

Other than that, that change would probably make the moves of the opening book irrelevant, but would otherwise not make much of a difference, I suppose: the difference in abilities between human and computer players would still be the same. And indeed, as long as the game's rules are fairly similar (in this case, as long as they amount to a perfect information game with relatively few possible moves), bots will still have the advantage.
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I think people would play othello more easly without the absurd risk of botting, even if there is a chance for it to be done, it would be easier to play so it would be more fun.
whats the point of doing that? almost all thinking games can be botted, what would lead to people getting mad about it, i think there is no need to create such gambling websites
People always seeks for easy profit, you can't stop the idea of being rich doing nothing, nothing can stop a scammer to do so.

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Well a lot of people complain about bots in chess but isnt poker pvp the same thing? Arent there bots that know exactly what to play and when to play it? How come no one is bothered or affected by that?
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Well a lot of people complain about bots in chess but isnt poker pvp the same thing? Arent there bots that know exactly what to play and when to play it? How come no one is bothered or affected by that?
Because most people plays freerolls. or low stakes so they aren't bothered by that.
Even if you are Ivey or someone else, you just play your best to win pennies.
The problem comes when the player in question plays a big guaranteed.
There people would be bothered, but until now I saw noone complain.

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Well a lot of people complain about bots in chess but isnt poker pvp the same thing? Arent there bots that know exactly what to play and when to play it? How come no one is bothered or affected by that?

I've never played a lot of poker personally, but I'm under the impression that bots are still somewhat limited in that game; something like, only able to win at one type of game, one player versus another, and with limited bets - has this changed?
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Well a lot of people complain about bots in chess but isnt poker pvp the same thing? Arent there bots that know exactly what to play and when to play it? How come no one is bothered or affected by that?

I've never played a lot of poker personally, but I'm under the impression that bots are still somewhat limited in this game: something like only able to win at one type of game, one player versus another, and with limited bets. Has this changed?

I mean if there are chess engines strong enough to beat the best players at chess, a super complex game for engines and without using brutforce i figured that there must be engines to win at poker and any other game eventually but i have no idea about poker bots, thats why i asked
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I think people would play othello more easly without the absurd risk of botting, even if there is a chance for it to be done, it would be easier to play so it would be more fun.
whats the point of doing that? almost all thinking games can be botted, what would lead to people getting mad about it, i think there is no need to create such gambling websites
People always seeks for easy profit, you can't stop the idea of being rich doing nothing, nothing can stop a scammer to do so.
well yeah, thats why because such pvp sites should not be created as the fair game cant exist because of people greed, in my opinion it would be better to play against different levels of AI

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Well a lot of people complain about bots in chess but isnt poker pvp the same thing? Arent there bots that know exactly what to play and when to play it? How come no one is bothered or affected by that?

I've never played a lot of poker personally, but I'm under the impression that bots are still somewhat limited in that game; something like, only able to win at one type of game, one player versus another, and with limited bets - has this changed?

limit holdem is considered a solved game
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/this-robot-is-the-best-limit-texas-holdem-player-in-the-world

no limit and other varients such as omaha are not "solved" yet
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Well a lot of people complain about bots in chess but isnt poker pvp the same thing? Arent there bots that know exactly what to play and when to play it? How come no one is bothered or affected by that?

I've never played a lot of poker personally, but I'm under the impression that bots are still somewhat limited in that game; something like, only able to win at one type of game, one player versus another, and with limited bets - has this changed?

limit holdem is considered a solved game
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/this-robot-is-the-best-limit-texas-holdem-player-in-the-world

no limit and other varients such as omaha are not "solved" yet

Ah i see, pretty interesting but chess engines are not perfect either and they can win against humans, in the article it says that the robots would do pretty good in a no limit game against humans but doesnt specify how good, could they win in the long run against the top poker players?
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I mean if there are chess engines strong enough to beat the best players at chess, a super complex game for engines and without using brutforce i figured that there must be engines to win at poker and any other game eventually but i have no idea about poker bots, thats why i asked

Hmm, but the problem is, as far as I understand it at least, that chess isn't a super complex game. By the nature of the game (all the board information being available to both players; relatively few movement options each turn; simple rules), it's ideal for computers to play using brute force; that is, checking a huge number of possible moves, and choosing the one that gives them the most advantage.

Poker, on the other hand, isn't a perfect information game (you don't know what cards the other players are holding, or what cards will be on the table), which makes it more complicated for a bot to play well. Of course, that isn't to say they won't be able to do so eventually, as hardware, and mainly the algorithms used to play the game, improve - but they're not there yet (except for one or two specific variants of the game).
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If the owner finds a way to ensure the players that they are actually playing against humans then it could work.

If player can interact while playing on the site will assure somewhat that we are playing against humans..... video calling can be a good option

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If the owner finds a way to ensure the players that they are actually playing against humans then it could work.

If player can interact while playing on the site will assure somewhat that we are playing against humans..... video calling can be a good option

I suppose it would also be necessary for the site to have a view of both players' screens, for that to have a chance of working - but even then, that wouldn't really prevent a scenario where a cheater would have an accomplice watching the game, and using a chess engine to then show the best moves to the first.
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July 19, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
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i just created an account there, very simple site and looks nice.
but is there any possibility to create a bot player , so we can play anytime,
no need to wait another player online, because now i see just one player online.
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i dont know how to play in chess
i dont have skill for it, because we need a strategy to win.
but i want to try it to learn about chess.

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i dont know how to play in chess
i dont have skill for it, because we need a strategy to win.
but i want to try it to learn about chess.

it requires tremendous amount of time to master chess. tactics, strategy, practice etc..

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i dont know how to play in chess
i dont have skill for it, because we need a strategy to win.
but i want to try it to learn about chess.

You need skills to get your strategy, and thatis not one time show and you can master it all. You need to play longer time to learn the tactics because there are so many tactics in chess, one wrong move you will end up losing. And playing chess to earn bitcoin? I dont think that is a good choice because you need to consume so much time just to win one game against whoever it is
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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?

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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

oh realy?i love chess, but I've never played for money/btc... i must try:)

edit: yupi!! i have account. very interesting idea;)
yes site is ready, it is still to simple , i dnt yet done search enigine optimization and other seo, still i get good response i am looking to make it more easy one ,
if any one have any issue about deposit and withdraw can PM me
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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,
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i don't know how to play i will train for free and then be prepared to lose  Grin Grin Grin Grin

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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,


For the humans may be if the game difficult is adjusted, but it is much harder to make a decent computer intelligence to play.

And I see people using bots to play against players and win, if the site becomes successful

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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,


very good.
i like playing chess , i might pay it a visit and play some matches there if i have time later on.

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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,


very good.
i like playing chess , i might pay it a visit and play some matches there if i have time later on.
yes you will find it intresting:)
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play chess for bitcoins, better then betting
chess4coin.com

i didn't quite understand how it works. are you affiliated with them or just informing others. i think you should make an announcement page in this section advertising the site or even make a signature campaign.

anyways i wanted to know if it is playing against a bot or can i play chess against other humans (PvP) and bet against each other?
players vs players only.
i do not think playing against computer is easy one,


very good.
i like playing chess , i might pay it a visit and play some matches there if i have time later on.
yes you will find it intresting:)
Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is

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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game
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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!

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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!

Skeptic for good reason,I believe this idea was floated around a few times(Chess for cash) and recall joining one of those site around 2009 and it was bot infested within a month. Its just like trade bots and poker bots,people will take the advantage every time.

That said I forgot about this thread and interested to see how it is doing.
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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Wow what a skeptic community. Everything has a loophole/bot/scam. How do I know you all aren't fake accounts wanting to make a chess game and FUD this or something absurd lol. It is not easy to just create a chess algorithm, or hook up a chess algorithm to any site. Also, feel out the site, if you understand so well the chess mechanics you can tell if you are playing a bot. Also, bet an amount you don't care to lose.

Interesting idea OP and good luck with it!

Skeptic for good reason,I believe this idea was floated around a few times(Chess for cash) and recall joining one of those site around 2009 and it was bot infested within a month. Its just like trade bots and poker bots,people will take the advantage every time.

That said I forgot about this thread and interested to see how it is doing.

Skeptic for an okay reason I suppose, but no point in ruining his thread. 90% of this chat has been speculating about a bot, well lets wait and find out for real.


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Yes the site and idea is really cool but still players will use chess algorithms and will play according to it

yes maybe you are right , but it's still really great to play chess and to throw some coins
there are some skilled players that won't mind even if they are playing against bot moves so maybe they will throw some mbtc and try to beat that bots

Yes a good chess player has always got a fair and good chance to beat a bot... never matter how good the bot is
well its impossible to beat the good programmed bot as even professional players loose against them so i believe ordinary players like me have no chances if someone will play an unfair game

Feel free to join my thread if you want to play for free.

No prizes, just the opportunity for the bitcointalk community to play a top rated player for free!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148538.msg12096904#msg12096904

Cheating is a major issue in chess so I do not recommend playing for bitcoin online (unless your goal is solely entertainment).  Many tournaments now have strict rules to prevent players from accessing computer aided assistance during games.

I can confirm that every chess player in the world would currently lose in a long match versus a top computer. There is a very small chance for a human to win (and larger chance to draw especially with white) in any given game but ZERO chance any human would win a long match.

This is not an issue open for debate in 2015. This was a legitimate debate in the 1990's
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August 13, 2015, 06:19:42 PM
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How can I find someone to play this site?

Did you read my post? I am one of the top players in the world and I would not play for bitcoin against a stranger online. My caveat was that if you are just betting a small amount for purely entertainment reasons then I see no problem. Most people are unlikely to cheat if playing for a very small amount as it is essentially just a waste of time.

It does not matter if the site operator is completely honest or has "software to detect bots". There are free chess programs available that any user could run from another machine completely undetected good enough to beat me or anyone else. You will not find one Grandmaster who disagrees with me regarding the strength of current chess engines.

If you want to bet against someone who you know and trust completely, then do so.  I see no purpose of involving a 3rd party gambling site to hold your funds or take a cut. There are many free websites and mobile apps you can use for free to play against someone you know.

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Chess and gambling? It makes no sense.
To gamble, chance should be a part of the game. It will make more sense if others can bet on players.

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Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.

Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. In the past there have been attempts to create multiplayer online board game lobbies with betting. Gambit.com would be an example. But it doesn't accept bitcoin any more.

I wish this website can become a great platform for chess because I love both chess and bitcoin.

An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800

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An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800

I think that has been mentioned about a million times already, in this thread alone. Tongue

At any rate, even if the general idea is right, comparing the rating of a computer chess program with a human player directly doesn't tend to work very well, due to the way ratings are calculated1 - basically, there aren't enough high profile computer versus human matches for that to provide very accurate information by itself (though, again, it's undisputed that computer engines can be much stronger than human players).

1 - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_engine#Comparisons, below the engine's table.
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This is the reason it's hard to make any PVP based casino game. When people smell money they will spend long hours making hacks to take advantage of the system and PvP games need to receive a lot of input from the player's computer, which is a weakness.

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Chess for bitcoins? Isn't Chess a little too exploitable as a game? I mean you could just have pretty strong Chess program running in the background and just copy moves from it.

Chess is definitely exploitable and you could just be playing against bots, that is why it has never been launched before. On first look the site looks good, but unless there is a way to avoid bots , it would be difficult to get players.

Oh come on. An avid chess player could beat even the most powerful bot. I'm pretty sure that chess is one of the hardest board games to "exploit" with automation. In the past there have been attempts to create multiplayer online board game lobbies with betting. Gambit.com would be an example. But it doesn't accept bitcoin any more.

I wish this website can become a great platform for chess because I love both chess and bitcoin.

An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800
that's pretty insane but for someone to have programmed that wouldn't they have been able to produce a score that is 3000+ also? , or am i just completely wrong

       


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September 11, 2015, 01:07:52 AM
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I can't access the site.  Huh

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An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800
that's pretty insane but for someone to have programmed that wouldn't they have been able to produce a score that is 3000+ also? , or am i just completely wrong

Well, no, that's not really how it works. In this case, computer programs rely first and foremost in their capacity to quickly look ahead through the large number of available moves, analyzing every possible course of action and its consequence, within a set time frame (optimized with some clever algorithms, so they don't actually waste time checking any and every move) - something that a human player just can't really do as well, or as fast (even if they know how that process works in theory).





This is the reason it's hard to make any PVP based casino game. When people smell money they will spend long hours making hacks to take advantage of the system and PvP games need to receive a lot of input from the player's computer, which is a weakness.

There are at least a few ways to overcome the advantage computers have: one way could be to increase the number of possible moves in a game; another could be to avoid perfect information games (where both/all players have access to all available information on the status of the game).
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September 11, 2015, 02:09:22 AM
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An avid chess player cannot beat top-tier chess software, which is free. Stockfish has a rating of 3000+ and the top player in the world plays at a rating of ~2800
that's pretty insane but for someone to have programmed that wouldn't they have been able to produce a score that is 3000+ also? , or am i just completely wrong

Well, no, that's not really how it works. In this case, computer programs rely first and foremost in their capacity to quickly look ahead through the large number of available moves, analyzing every possible course of action and its consequence, within a set time frame (optimized with some clever algorithms, so they don't actually waste time checking any and every move) - something that a human player just can't really do as well, or as fast (even if they know how that process works in theory).





This is the reason it's hard to make any PVP based casino game. When people smell money they will spend long hours making hacks to take advantage of the system and PvP games need to receive a lot of input from the player's computer, which is a weakness.

There are at least a few ways to overcome the advantage computers have: one way could be to increase the number of possible moves in a game; another could be to avoid perfect information games (where both/all players have access to all available information on the status of the game).
ah, thanks for clearing that up for me, after that post i googled a little bit about the subject and found out pretty much what you explained, thanks though

       


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Very cool!
Finally! a chess game site where we can play for Bitcoin and one perfectly suitable for Bitcoiners
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I don't really think there's a good way to prove that you're not using a computer to play against the players, this site wasn't thought through.

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Chess bots are unavoidable.  The best chess bots are far better than any human chess player, including world champions.  In almost all cases, forcing a draw would be the best anyone can do; the brute force calculation is too strong.  See the history of chess bots such as "Stockfish" to get an idea of what you'd be up against.  These bots are accessible to the average person, and people would certainly use them if allowed. 

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Chess bots are unavoidable.  The best chess bots are far better than any human chess player, including world champions.  In almost all cases, forcing a draw would be the best anyone can do; the brute force calculation is too strong.  See the history of chess bots such as "Stockfish" to get an idea of what you'd be up against.  These bots are accessible to the average person, and people would certainly use them if allowed. 
Yeah, I would really avoid wagering any money on this site if you're up against a computer. You have no way of telling what kind of "difficulty" it's set at, if it's even restricted at all.

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How can I find someone to play this site?
not many people like playing chess because need spend many time to playing this game

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You don't have permission to access / on this server.
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Yeah I can not connect to the site but everyone talking about it at the above.  Undecided Do they connect or just only we do not connect?

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Yeah I can not connect to the site but everyone talking about it at the above.  Undecided Do they connect or just only we do not connect?
i think the server is down i got 403 error , it mean the site turn scam or the site didn't have much membre.
bad ending for chess gambling game.

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You don't have permission to access / on this server.
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Yeah I can not connect to the site but everyone talking about it at the above.  Undecided Do they connect or just only we do not connect?
i think the server is down i got 403 error , it mean the site turn scam or the site didn't have much membre.
bad ending for chess gambling game.

oh thanks for explanation. We can not show or skills then  Grin I can play like Kasparov  Cheesy Just kidding.

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You don't have permission to access / on this server.
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Yeah I can not connect to the site but everyone talking about it at the above.  Undecided Do they connect or just only we do not connect?
i think the server is down i got 403 error , it mean the site turn scam or the site didn't have much membre.
bad ending for chess gambling game.

oh thanks for explanation. We can not show or skills then  Grin I can play like Kasparov  Cheesy Just kidding.

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soo this not gonna happen i mean this site its condamed to be bot trickied adn also does not do the 404 into a good link?
thats from the general reading what i could get.
i feel a bit dizzy now if im going to play chess but im not even a good player soo i pass this site thans for you all for the sugesstions

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September 11, 2015, 11:20:22 AM
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I really like to play chess, I want to test my skills with others Cheesy

I also experienced the same thing, the site could not be opened " 403 forbidden "
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September 11, 2015, 12:42:05 PM
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Not a good idea, not everyone is a chess player and if anybody wants to play with a bot then they would rather do so without betting on it. i didn't saying that other board games couldn't be created but chess but chess happens to be something that can a bot involved in the game and could become extremely hard to play with. This is my honest opinion.
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September 11, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
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Not a good idea, not everyone is a chess player and if anybody wants to play with a bot then they would rather do so without betting on it. i didn't saying that other board games couldn't be created but chess but chess happens to be something that can a bot involved in the game and could become extremely hard to play with. This is my honest opinion.

Maybe it can be human vs human. You can pay for playing and if you win the chess, you'll get the money. The site which provides the sevice of chess, can get some commision from every game.

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September 11, 2015, 05:15:22 PM
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Not a good idea, not everyone is a chess player and if anybody wants to play with a bot then they would rather do so without betting on it. i didn't saying that other board games couldn't be created but chess but chess happens to be something that can a bot involved in the game and could become extremely hard to play with. This is my honest opinion.

Yes chess is very hard to be deal with, perhaps a huge advertisement could help to get people to play chess in multiplayer and not against bots online there are thousands or millions of players around the world and could be enough to prevent bots getting involved in the game.
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September 12, 2015, 12:56:45 AM
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As chance is not involved in chess, CHESS cannot be considered as gambling at all!

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October 03, 2015, 03:42:38 PM
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As chance is not involved in chess, CHESS cannot be considered as gambling at all!

Just because chess is a game of skill does not mean the outcome is certain or that one player is favored. Better players can provide time or material odds to compensate for their skill advantage.  This happens fairly often in chess tournament lobbies.

Betting on chess online is still a horrible idea because of the high risk of cheating described in this thread.  I play chess online frequently but only for fun. No gambling is ever involved.

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October 03, 2015, 04:05:20 PM
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I really liked the game of chess
there may be no harm in playing chess while risking bitcoin 'it might be a kind of gambling, but uses the original strategy
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October 07, 2015, 06:52:41 PM
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Everyone is not a chess player and if anybody wants to play with a bot then they would rather do so without betting on it. i didn't saying that other board games couldn't be created but chess happens to be something that can a bot involved in the game and could become extremely hard to play with. This is my honest opinion.
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October 07, 2015, 08:19:09 PM
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how can you assure that we are not playing against bots?
well i my self do not like to play with bots and bots cannot exist they always move with a exact timing
and there chat always is off

There does not have to be any pattern. The problem is that it could be a player, but he could just be copying his opponent moves, put them on the software, and them copy the PC move to your site. He will probably win most of his games like this, and will not have any pattern, and will respond to chat etc etc. That is the problem in chess games when you play to win coins.

I would really like to see a platform like this, but it's impossible to prevent players from cheating, that's why I don't think an online chess game for money will ever work.

Good luck on your site though. It looks good.


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October 07, 2015, 08:59:33 PM
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As chance is not involved in chess, CHESS cannot be considered as gambling at all!
You don't understand gambling. To gamble is to risk something, be it money, property or something else.
When there are two players involved there is always a chance one of them will win and you are gambling by choosing the same way people bet on professional CSGO or Starcraft players.

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October 08, 2015, 07:28:59 PM
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Site's hosting account is already dead, but i like the idea about mixing chess with bitcoin winning. But i was quite late to see how this site works.

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October 08, 2015, 07:39:05 PM
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Site's hosting account is already dead, but i like the idea about mixing chess with bitcoin winning. But i was quite late to see how this site works.
|You are right, if you access the site all you get is: "This Account Has Been Suspended" info and that is it.
I guess there wasn't many chess players who wanted to play for money, but then again, with chess you can cheat with by just running chess program in the background.
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Site's hosting account is already dead, but i like the idea about mixing chess with bitcoin winning. But i was quite late to see how this site works.
|You are right, if you access the site all you get is: "This Account Has Been Suspended" info and that is it.
I guess there wasn't many chess players who wanted to play for money, but then again, with chess you can cheat with by just running chess program in the background.

Yeah, computers these days are way more powerful than the strongest grandmasters in the world. You can cheat with chess much more easily than anything else.


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October 15, 2015, 07:34:41 PM
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I don't think that its a good idea to play chess for bitcoin as it will be very difficult to win against computer. Not everyone can play the chess and winning against bot will be difficult task.  I believe that that chess is one of the hardest board games to exploit with automation. People will play against bot just for fun  but they will not ready to loose their bitcoins.

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it says "This Account Has Been Suspended" looks like your website got taken down, i woulda loved to play chess while betting bitcoin tho sounds great.
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It looks like you haven't paid the hosting or you use too much resources. I'm interested to play on it.

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October 16, 2015, 07:36:28 PM
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This is too tough ! How can we expect to beat a machine in a chess game ? If the algorithm is complex enough and purely based on AI,then I don't think we can exactly outsmart it.It would be nice if we had an option to challenge any player of our choice and bet on any amount that we both accept to pay.

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This is too tough ! How can we expect to beat a machine in a chess game ? If the algorithm is complex enough and purely based on AI,then I don't think we can exactly outsmart it.It would be nice if we had an option to challenge any player of our choice and bet on any amount that we both accept to pay.

That is probably correct for the most of us, but some players can. The problem in challenging a player, i that you don't know if he wont just use a software and win the game :/


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