EskimoBob is a scammer, witness reports inside

[vampire]

In case you missed it, I'm already defending you against that (no consideration, no contract), but really your responses are a bit over the top and irrelevant. Sure defend yourself on what usagi's saying, but I don't see the point in trying to "expose" zher. It just looks ranty.

It's possible. I am not a god.



Though for you, I am a god.. Pray to me or I'll bite you ;-)

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[vampire]

Several people who were in the channel agree.

Several people don't. However you agreed to the terms and then you fragrantly broke them.

Channel? huh. Wake up.

[CJGoodings]

Several people who were in the channel agree.

Several people don't. However you agreed to the terms and then you fragrantly broke them.

Channel? huh. Wake up.

I think hes mentioning IRC.

[Maged]

This is a very interesting case, indeed. Thus, I'll split my post into two parts: One regarding this individual agreement on its own, and the other based on a broader view of things.

Part one:
Unless there is any objection to the log that was posted, it seems pretty clear that the original agreement should be considered void. Fjordbit has a good point, however, in that the silence portion should have its own value. Thus I would like to see one of the two following outcomes:
1) EskimoBob refunds 5.3 BTC and the shares are returned to him. No, he will not need to pay the original escrow fee. The reason he should not have to pay the escrow fee is because usagi agreed to pay the fee himself, instead of asking EskimoBob to split the fee with him or at least including the escrow fee as a penalty should the agreement be broken. Additionally, the escrow failed to follow the agreement all the way through by releasing the funds immediately instead of waiting an agreed upon amount of time to ensure that the agreement was kept by BOTH parties. This is besides the fact that it is not legal to indefinitely buy someone's silence. However, I think that we can all agree that EskimoBob did not stay silent long enough to be considered reasonable by anyone's standards.
2) EskimoBob refunds the difference between the market value of those shares at the time of the agreement and the value he sold them to usagi for (.53 BTC/share) and usagi provides nothing in return (other than the satisfaction that the agreement was successfully unwound). It's safe to assume that this difference was the agreed upon value of silence for EskimoBob.

Part two:
Here's where things get interesting. It is board policy that, in order to help scammer investigations, NDA's and other such agreements will not be honored for the purpose of the scammer tag when the agreements are broken in order to reveal a scam. Interestingly enough, this seems like it might be the case. I will absolutely need to do more reading into this. If anybody can help shed some light on the issue of usagi allegedly investing BMF funds into non-mining operations, I would appreciate that.

There's also the matter of where the funds used to pay EskimoBob came from. Did they come from a business that was in default? If so, that automatically makes usagi a scammer, placing EskimoBob off the hook.

For these reasons, it will most likely take a few weeks to decide this case. If EskimoBob wants to make it easy on me, he can simply do one of the two options I laid out in part one. As always, the scammer tag decision does not have anything to do with the actual legal system, so keep that in mind when deciding what to do.

[macboy80]

This is a very interesting case, indeed. Thus, I'll split my post into two parts: One regarding this individual agreement on its own, and the other based on a broader view of things.

Part one:
Unless there is any objection to the log that was posted, it seems pretty clear that the original agreement should be considered void. Fjordbit has a good point, however, in that the silence portion should have its own value. Thus I would like to see one of the two following outcomes:
1) EskimoBob refunds 5.3 BTC and the shares are returned to him. No, he will not need to pay the original escrow fee. The reason he should not have to pay the escrow fee is because usagi agreed to pay the fee himself, instead of asking EskimoBob to split the fee with him or at least including the escrow fee as a penalty should the agreement be broken. Additionally, the escrow failed to follow the agreement all the way through by releasing the funds immediately instead of waiting an agreed upon amount of time to ensure that the agreement was kept by BOTH parties. This is besides the fact that it is not legal to indefinitely buy someone's silence. However, I think that we can all agree that EskimoBob did not stay silent long enough to be considered reasonable by anyone's standards.
2) EskimoBob refunds the difference between the market value of those shares at the time of the agreement and the value he sold them to usagi for (.53 BTC/share) and usagi provides nothing in return (other than the satisfaction that the agreement was successfully unwound). It's safe to assume that this difference was the agreed upon value of silence for EskimoBob.

Part two:
Here's where things get interesting. It is board policy that, in order to help scammer investigations, NDA's and other such agreements will not be honored for the purpose of the scammer tag when the agreements are broken in order to reveal a scam. Interestingly enough, this seems like it might be the case. I will absolutely need to do more reading into this. If anybody can help shed some light on the issue of usagi allegedly investing BMF funds into non-mining operations, I would appreciate that.

There's also the matter of where the funds used to pay EskimoBob came from. Did they come from a business that was in default? If so, that automatically makes usagi a scammer, placing EskimoBob off the hook.

For these reasons, it will most likely take a few weeks to decide this case. If EskimoBob wants to make it easy on me, he can simply do one of the two options I laid out in part one. As always, the scammer tag decision does not have anything to do with the actual legal system, so keep that in mind when deciding what to do.

Well said! I think this is a fair outcome for everyone involved.

[EskimoBob]

This is a very interesting case, indeed. Thus, I'll split my post into two parts: One regarding this individual agreement on its own, and the other based on a broader view of things.

Part one:
Unless there is any objection to the log that was posted, it seems pretty clear that the original agreement should be considered void. Fjordbit has a good point, however, in that the silence portion should have its own value. Thus I would like to see one of the two following outcomes:
1) EskimoBob refunds 5.3 BTC and the shares are returned to him. No, he will not need to pay the original escrow fee. The reason he should not have to pay the escrow fee is because usagi agreed to pay the fee himself, instead of asking EskimoBob to split the fee with him or at least including the escrow fee as a penalty should the agreement be broken. Additionally, the escrow failed to follow the agreement all the way through by releasing the funds immediately instead of waiting an agreed upon amount of time to ensure that the agreement was kept by BOTH parties. This is besides the fact that it is not legal to indefinitely buy someone's silence. However, I think that we can all agree that EskimoBob did not stay silent long enough to be considered reasonable by anyone's standards.
2) EskimoBob refunds the difference between the market value of those shares at the time of the agreement and the value he sold them to usagi for (.53 BTC/share) and usagi provides nothing in return (other than the satisfaction that the agreement was successfully unwound). It's safe to assume that this difference was the agreed upon value of silence for EskimoBob.

Part two:
Here's where things get interesting. It is board policy that, in order to help scammer investigations, NDA's and other such agreements will not be honored for the purpose of the scammer tag when the agreements are broken in order to reveal a scam. Interestingly enough, this seems like it might be the case. I will absolutely need to do more reading into this. If anybody can help shed some light on the issue of usagi allegedly investing BMF funds into non-mining operations, I would appreciate that.

There's also the matter of where the funds used to pay EskimoBob came from. Did they come from a business that was in default? If so, that automatically makes usagi a scammer, placing EskimoBob off the hook.

For these reasons, it will most likely take a few weeks to decide this case. If EskimoBob wants to make it easy on me, he can simply do one of the two options I laid out in part one. As always, the scammer tag decision does not have anything to do with the actual legal system, so keep that in mind when deciding what to do.

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                    Shares     Market PricTotal M V  
GIGAMINING                    0 0,63979999          0
BITBOND                      10 0,33510001      3,351
PUREMINING                    0                     0
YABMC                         0                     0
DMC < not mining           1291   0,010005   12,91646
BTC-MINING                  300     0,9598     287,94
RSM                         210       0,29       60,9
JAH                         410       0,12       49,2
007                          11      0,115      1,265
ABM                         200      0,125         25
BMMO                       3775  0,0200001   75,50038
MERGEDMINING                  0 0,07979999          0
BTCMC                       170     0,4001     68,017
BFLS.RIG                    200        0,6        120
UDN                        1000 0,03498999   34,98999
LTC-MINING            50      0,415      20,75
FPGAMINING                  300       0,37        111
OBSI.HRPT < not mining      1000       0,06         60
JTME                        120  0,7898899   94,78679
ASICMINER                     0     0,1169          0
BIF.5-10.MININGBOND         120       0,33       39,6
NYAN < Not mining            24      0,799     19,176
BAKEWELL                    330 0,10500001      34,65
BTC-BOND                   4800      0,009       43,2
                                           1162,24261
                                                 4594
                               NAV (va rig    0,25299

Prices are from today, list of investments is from 20.09.2012 (at least this is the date on his page http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/)

BMF contract:

5. The fund is mandated to only invest in bitcoin mining companies listed on the GLBSE and to perform due diligence when investing in securities on the GLBSE.

I also have a screenshot and those holdings are reported earlier in the forum post. 

I recommend reading complaints after the post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112734.msg1219645#msg1219645

So, who is scamming who?
Usagi piggipacked his absurd demands on a buy back of BMF shares and now is accusing of a scam. He is mad at me because I and many others are not happy what is happening in BMF and in other portfolios under his management.
I am not the only one here, who has shown what he has actually done with the investors coin.

[EskimoBob]

Thank you and I accept. Here is my response;

1. If EskimoBob returns the 5.3 BTC I will give him the 10 shares.
2. If EskimoBob refunds the difference (about 1 BTC at today's price) I will accept it.
3. I am willing to give you a signed statement from Nefario (if I can get one) on the holdings of BMF. BMF is not in default.
4. Please see this motion which authorizes me to invest up to 10% of BMF in non-mining assets. This motion was passed 3235 to 5 and is valid until Jan 1st, 2013.
5. I am willing to run a shareholder motion on whether or not my shareholders in BMF are satisfied. People like EskimoBob have no right to make up facts and figures. They're not shareholders.

The entire point of this thread, Maged, is that people like Eskimobob are complete and total jerkoffs who are truly ruining it for people who are trying to operate an honest business.

Personally I do not want to make it easy on EskimoBob. This has now gone far above and beyond a simple scammer tag. He has now insinuated that he is being paid to discredit me on the forums, and his posting style is, I believe similar to Puppet, who incidentally registered on the forums shortly after EskimoBob was approached to make posts on the forum discrediting people. I am sick of this. I will work with you and provide any information you want. I do not want this to be resolved by the simple payment of 1 btc from EskimoBob to myself. It is my position that the fact you are stating that he can return the approximately one BTC difference implies that the silence part did in fact have a value attached. I do not think it is fair to say that no value was stated, and then to assign a value solely for the purposes of refunding the money. But if that is your judgement I will accept it. Thank you.

Get the logs and prove me puppet or whom ever you think it is me. My level of English is way too low to write like any of those guys.
YOU, Usagi are the one who offered me this disgusting "job" and I told you NO!

[EskimoBob]

Usagi, calm down. You act like a hysterical troll.

Those are "last price" from GLBSE and I had no reason to edit the numbers.
 I only posted that part of the portfolio, what was relevant to Maged  post.

You and I know you fucked up. Other investors are pissed off too. So, stop trolling and blaming me for your screwups and take the responsibility for your own actions.
I quoted the contract from your own web page and I there is no reference to any "motion" that is passed or not passed. Your contract is called "Full Contract". I guess it's another small half truth of yours, similar to calling your own hysterical rants in IRC a contract. 

Maged, here is my account 1CvZLqdL5qpiE1wt9BLGC75yfV9Sg69WTj  he transfered the via 3'rd party. I have no idea, did he use his or BMF's account for this.

[VeeMiner]

Lol what sort of immature bullshit is this?

+1

[MPOE-PR]

Also this ridiculous "job offer" is probably something mircea asked you to do. Notice the dates everyone -- right after EskimoBob got this "job offer" numerous sock puppet accounts such as puppet and deprived started following me around on the forums. Fucking mircea popescu. Sics his MPOE-PR agent on me too. Get a life people.

[EskimoBob]

I like to ask forum moderator to rename the this form thread to: "Usagi is a scammer, witness reports inside", close the thread and tag Usagi as a scammer.

I never planned to tag you Usagi, even after all this bull shit. Now, you left me no choice.
 Are you happy now?
 

[Bitcoin Oz]

Days of our bitcoin lives.

[Puppet]

f anybody can help shed some light on the issue of usagi allegedly investing BMF funds into non-mining operations, I would appreciate that.

Let me help; here is the contract:
https://glbse.com/asset/view/BMF

Here is BMFs portfolio:
http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/

Note that obsi.hrpt has nothing to do with mining, and its hard to defend Nyan being a mining asset.
One could even  point out the contract doesnt allow for usagi to buy mining hardware.

Now personally, I wouldnt give someone a scammer tag over something like this.
However, if you are looking for a better reason, I would  suggest you look at this post:

The NAV of BMF is approximately 0.50. We will be placing aggressive bids at .45 to .50.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112734.0

Those are demonstrably lies. First of all, the highest bid is currently 0.4104.

Secondly, if you calculate the NAV using usagi's published asset list here:
http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/
After you correct the prices and you list the fpga and asics at actual list value and not 20% above BFLs listprice,  I got to  0.262 BTC per share at the time it was posted:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112734.msg1219660#msg1219660

Meanwhile he has been buying up some of those shares causing the nav to rise to ~0.3, but it was never anywhere near 0.5 BTC and saying that was a big fat lie intended solely to mislead potential investors, and talk the price up because his Nyan bonds are heavily invested in BMF and in big trouble.
I suspect the wannabee lawyers here will have an opinion on whether or not thats even criminal.

FWIW, here is an up to date NAV:

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Units	Value (Market)	Total (Market)	%	
Bitforce Single 832 MH/s	2	50	100	7.49%
BitForce Jalapeno 3.5 GH/s	2	15	30	2.25%
BitForce 'SC' Single 40 GH/s	1	108.25	108.25	8.11%
				
Assets	Units	Value (Market)		
GIGAMINING	0		0	0.00%
BITBOND	10	0.3351	3.351	0.25%
PUREMINING	0		0	0.00%
YABMC	0		0	0.00%
DMC	1291	0.01	12.91	0.97%
BTC-MINING	300	0.9598	287.94	21.57%
RSM	210	0.29	60.9	4.56%
JAH	410	0.12	49.2	3.69%
7	11	0.115	1.265	0.09%
ABM	200	0.125	25	1.87%
BMMO	3775	0.02	75.5	5.66%
MERGEDMINING	0		0	0.00%
BTCMC	170	0.4	68	5.09%
BFLS.RIG	200	0.55	110	8.24%
UDN	1000		0	0.00%
LTC-MINING	50	0.415	20.75	1.55%
FPGAMINING	300	0.3355	100.65	7.54%
OBSI.HRPT	1000	0.0589	58.9	4.41%
JTME	120	0.789	94.68	7.09%
ASICMINER	0		0	0.00%
BIF.5-10.MININGBOND	120	0.33	39.6	2.97%
NYAN	24	0.5	12	0.90%
BAKEWELL	330	0.1489	49.137	3.68%
BTC-BOND	4800	0.002	9.6	0.72%
			0	0.00%
BITCOINS	17.2457	1	17.2457	1.29%
				
TOTAL			1334.8787	100.00%

1334 BTC worth of assets (even assuming obsi's ponzi is worth face value, its not like you can sell it) for 4585 bonds. Thats 0.29 BTC/bond

[EskimoBob]

From 2012-09-25 in #bitcoin-assets

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@assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00038653 = 2.3965 BTC [-]
@assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50524 @ 0.00038633 = 19.5189 BTC [-]
@assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35302 @ 0.00038564 = 13.6139 BTC [-]
@assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46900 @ 0.00038556 = 18.0828 BTC [-]
@assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13472 @ 0.00038467 = 5.1823 BTC [-]
usagi   Wish I had the money to do that
usagi   I've been buying here and there but mostly from .08 up to .09.. bnever thought i'd see it hit .035 lol thats stupid

Really? Even After I told you that Obsi is getting ready to drop the ball? 

Oh sorry, I forgot that from your IRC rant:

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usagi   I'm an insider to all of this, and when I speak, you should listen.

[vampire]

Part two:
Here's where things get interesting. It is board policy that, in order to help scammer investigations, NDA's and other such agreements will not be honored for the purpose of the scammer tag when the agreements are broken in order to reveal a scam. Interestingly enough, this seems like it might be the case. I will absolutely need to do more reading into this. If anybody can help shed some light on the issue of usagi allegedly investing BMF funds into non-mining operations, I would appreciate that.

So BMF hold these non-mining shares:

1000 OBSI.HRPT
24 NYAN

http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/

[EskimoBob]

Part two:
Here's where things get interesting. It is board policy that, in order to help scammer investigations, NDA's and other such agreements will not be honored for the purpose of the scammer tag when the agreements are broken in order to reveal a scam. Interestingly enough, this seems like it might be the case. I will absolutely need to do more reading into this. If anybody can help shed some light on the issue of usagi allegedly investing BMF funds into non-mining operations, I would appreciate that.

So BMF hold these non-mining shares:

1000 OBSI.HRPT
24 NYAN

http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/

Why bother trying? Maged is not stupid, he can read, and he will read the post where this was approved by shareholders. As for the other accusations it's kind of obvious EskimoBob was actually approached by someone else considering the number of trolls that have been sic'd on this thread (and others) recently.

Only someone as underhanded as eskimobob would try so hard to change the subject away from what this is really all about. And it looks like EB will have to refund the money and/or buy back the shares or he WILL get a scammer tag -- according to Maged.

I am very happy to see that justice will be done here.

Usagi, stop lying. You know that we had this conversation and you offered me that stupid troll job of yours to help you spam your competition.  You also know,  I told you No!

I remembered another related conversation where you actually acknowledged our conversation:

This was happening 2012-09-08 around noon UTC:
 

Chaang-Noi      okay since i dont know anything im going to have a beer and smoke a cuban, best of luck with selling your secret info usagi
EskimoBob       usagi: For start I thought you are cool dude but after this priv chat we had and you offered ..., I am having really hard time trusting you.
*      usagi points out this is now the fourth time goat has been told that I don't have any info to sell and wouldn't sell it anyway
mircea_popescu  cigars and beer ? get out of the sticks.
DeaDTerra       YOU DON'T KNOW NOTHING MAN, YOUR A GOAT AND I AM SAILOR MOON. seriously guys go get a room, I am running out of funny comments here
usagi   EskimoBob I'm sorry
Chaang-Noi      <usagi> I'll sell you the info
EskimoBob       and this shit you have pulled today with "i have info but I can not tell" is childish and no wonder Chaang-Noi is crawling up your ares because of that
EskimoBob       bad time for jokes like that

[finkleshnorts]

Nobody cares about scammer tags. Give this bob a scammer tag if it makes you feel better. There is nothing going on in this forum right now besides "scammer tag scammer tag theymos maged im angry" and it's getting really, really freaking old.

[Akka]

Nobody cares about scammer tags. Give this bob a scammer tag if it makes you feel better. There is nothing going on in this forum right now besides "scammer tag scammer tag theymos maged im angry" and it's getting really, really freaking old.

+1

This scammer accusations are getting ridiculous.

[Puppet]

Im guessing thats why usagi is doing it.

First it deflects from the much more important issues regarding his assets, as relevant posts with serious concerns and revealing numbers quickly get buried under these juvenile  "liar - troll - scammer" discussions that no one cares about. And judging by BMF, Nyan.B and Nyan.C trades on GLSBE, that actually works.

Secondly I imagine it also helps devalue the seriousness of a scammer tag or accusation for the day someone decides usagi's accounting is more than just "creative". Now you may say no one cares about these tags, but I only partially agree. It doesnt really matter if someone like pirate gets it after the fact, but it does matter for someone who still actively soliciting funds and/or running assets on GLBSE or elsewhere.

[finkleshnorts]

This isn't a court of public opinion.

This isn't a court at all. This is a hobbyist internet forum specifically for the purpose of public opinion.

Why are you always lobbying to have people banned? You have been doing that for as long as I can remember. No one ever listens to your unproductive whining, you silly silly goose.

I'm not sure what you deem relevant, but that fact that you post here, and presumably read here, tends to point toward the fact that your comments are indeed relevant.

You're worse than MPORXE or whatever the hell that vampire lady calls herself. You are constantly bullied around on this forum and your posts are nothing but whine. Please sprout a backbone or at least let your business speak for itself. If you're trying to employ people to smear your competitors, then I'm not sure you really have much going for you either way.