TYGRR.* assets on GLBSE delisted.

[MPOE-PR]

All TYGRR assets have been moved off GLBSE (delisted)

Hehe.
Of course, it's all because The Goat has done nothing wrong - right?

So now you have chosen to cover up your ass, instead of getting paid for being his lying bitch?
Sounds like quite some desperation... But I am afraid it won't help you much - you will still end up in jail so better start buying some lubricants...
A pretty boy like you, with such a big experience of being a bitch - it will be a great gift for your new mates

Ironically,

Aug 31 05:50:14 <mircea_popescu>   dude, it's just funnay. you've been trading with yourself to give the appearance of  volume to that turd of yours, and now you accuse me of doing it ? lol.
Aug 31 05:50:24 <mircea_popescu>   im sure it'll stick. what with you being credible and all.
Aug 31 05:50:41 <mircea_popescu>   kakobrekla im actually starting to suspect more than glbse. a bunch added this month, too.
Aug 31 05:51:38 <kakobrekla>   ballpark number?
Aug 31 05:51:39 <BTC-Mining>   mircea, stop deluding yourself... if you don't make an interface like a broker and insist on having a stock exchange backbone and only allow quality companies IPOing, you'll need brokerage platforms like GLBSE
Aug 31 05:51:53 <BTC-Mining>   Which acts like any bank's online brokerage service
Aug 31 05:51:54 <mircea_popescu>   more than 100 less than 1k.
Aug 31 05:52:26 <mircea_popescu>   BTC-Mining i would like better run platforms tho.
Aug 31 05:52:46 <BTC-Mining>   It's a beta... it's not even supposed to be finished yet...
Aug 31 05:52:50 <mircea_popescu>   right.
Aug 31 05:52:52 <BTC-Mining>   People just started using it
Aug 31 05:53:18 <mircea_popescu>   lol. you are aware glbse was scamming investors back in june last year right ?
Aug 31 05:53:46 <Ignatius-otc>   I wasn't aware, links?
Aug 31 05:53:57 <BTC-Mining>   You should show proof indeed.
Aug 31 05:54:28 <mircea_popescu>   Ignatius-otc SIN. LIF.A LIF.B LIF.CX. SMM. DISHWARA. PBJ. UBTC. BitFlowSys. GEM. SLV. BID. USGOLD. BB. SDM.
Aug 31 05:54:31 <mircea_popescu>   forum's your friend.
Aug 31 05:54:43 <mircea_popescu>   add it all up, it comes up to more than the most recent pirate thingee.
Aug 31 05:55:08 <mircea_popescu>   this if we look the other way and pretend to not notice that giga's thing went from 1.5 to .8 in the time it took it to pay ~.2 in dividends.
Aug 31 05:55:13 <BTC-Mining>   Was any of those asset issued by Nefario?
Aug 31 05:55:44 <mircea_popescu>   o dude i dunno, there was this guy that came and stole your money in my house ?! odd dood...
Aug 31 05:56:02 <mircea_popescu>   o, you mean we were all friendly and all ? well... ya, it happens, you know... investin'.
Aug 31 05:56:05 <mircea_popescu>   in da hood.
Aug 31 05:56:15 <mircea_popescu>   free market!
Aug 31 05:56:50 <assbot>   [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1417 @ 0.00079232 = 1.1227 BTC

Aug 31 05:56:56 <BTC-Mining>   glbse clearly state they're not regulating what's getting on the platform and to investigate the issuer yourself
Aug 31 05:57:17 <mircea_popescu>   and this clearly is a flawed business model.
Aug 31 05:57:27 <BTC-Mining>   Also Gigamining paid over 0.4BTC in dividends so far
Aug 31 05:57:43 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.0003934 = 0.4721 BTC [-]
Aug 31 05:57:55 <mircea_popescu>   !pl gigamining 1.5
Aug 31 05:57:56 <assbot>   Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
Aug 31 05:57:59 <assbot>   GIGAMINING [1@1.5BTC] paid: 0.41490096 BTC. Last price: 0.82 BTC. Capital gain: -0.68 BTC. Total: -0.26509904 BTC. (-17.7%)
Aug 31 05:58:15 <mircea_popescu>   41 the man says, but you got a point there.
Aug 31 05:58:33 <mircea_popescu>   -17% in 4 months is not so bad, given the alternatives on glbse.
Aug 31 05:58:57 <BTC-Mining>   don't forget that GIGAMINING is not completly fixed, it upgrades
Aug 31 05:59:06 <mircea_popescu>   im just working on past data.
Aug 31 05:59:20 <mircea_popescu>   the future's outside the scope of this conversation.
Aug 31 06:00:38 <mircea_popescu>   .py 0.823 ** 3
Aug 31 06:00:41 <markac>   0.557441767
Aug 31 06:00:43 <assbot>   [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7600 @ 0.00080907 = 6.1489 BTC

Aug 31 06:01:37 <mircea_popescu>   half yer money in a year, who can argue with that.
Aug 31 06:01:56 <Obsi>   !pl futurefund 0.0001
Aug 31 06:01:56 <assbot>   Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
Aug 31 06:01:59 <assbot>   FUTUREFUND [1@0.0001BTC] paid: 1.625E-5 BTC. Last price: 0.000116 BTC. Capital gain: 1.6E-5 BTC. Total: 0.00003225 BTC. (32.3%)
Aug 31 06:01:59 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39701 @ 0.0003934 = 15.6184 BTC [-]
Aug 31 06:02:00 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34008 @ 0.00039526 = 13.442 BTC

Aug 31 06:02:01 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5519 @ 0.00039584 = 2.1846 BTC

Aug 31 06:02:02 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10372 @ 0.0003959 = 4.1063 BTC

Aug 31 06:02:03 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00039624 = 6.8946 BTC

Aug 31 06:02:04 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00039662 = 15.0319 BTC

Aug 31 06:02:05 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00039689 = 15.4787 BTC

Aug 31 06:02:06 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00039712 = 4.686 BTC

Aug 31 06:02:07 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27922 @ 0.0003973 = 11.0934 BTC

Aug 31 06:02:08 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6378 @ 0.00039781 = 2.5372 BTC

Aug 31 06:02:16 <Ignatius-otc>   I fail to see a direct connection showing collusion by GLBSE staff.
Aug 31 06:02:31 <kakobrekla>   when are smpoe div commin out
Aug 31 06:02:35 <Ignatius-otc>   Next time you are looking at one mp, please forward it along.
Aug 31 06:02:39 <mircea_popescu>   tomorrow about this time kakobrekla
Aug 31 06:02:46 <kakobrekla>   k
Aug 31 06:02:49 <mircea_popescu>   Ignatius-otc mkay, lets see here
Aug 31 06:02:51 <BTC-Mining>   yes, yes... and you're completly ignoring why the price is currently low and declare it as a linear loss of value
Aug 31 06:03:01 <Chaang-Noi>   !pl gigamining 1
Aug 31 06:03:02 <assbot>   Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
Aug 31 06:03:15 <Chaang-Noi>   i bought in at 1
Aug 31 06:03:37 <BTC-Mining>   Didn't gigamining IPO at 1 by the way?
Aug 31 06:03:39 <assbot>   GIGAMINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.41490096 BTC. Last price: 0.82 BTC. Capital gain: -0.18 BTC. Total: 0.23490096 BTC. (23.5%)
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Aug 31 06:03:46 <Chaang-Noi>   yes i bought a huge amount at 1
Aug 31 06:03:52 <BTC-Mining>   Making it a 0.20 loss for 0.40 dividend?
Aug 31 06:04:07 <Chaang-Noi>   yeah i think i did well
Aug 31 06:04:07 <mircea_popescu>   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35775.msg699659#msg699659 you can start there Ignatius-otc
Aug 31 06:04:17 <mircea_popescu>   BTC-Mining why is the price currently low ?
Aug 31 06:04:23 <Chaang-Noi>   i also sold some very near 1.5
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Aug 31 06:04:48 <Ignatius-otc>   I would normally just do the work myself mp, but I have already went on a wild goose chase once today. To read about Chaang and his glbse "scandal". Wasn't worth my time and didn't prove Chaang dishonest or doing wrong.
Aug 31 06:04:51 <Ignatius-otc>   ok ty for the link
Aug 31 06:05:20 <BTC-Mining>   The price of bitcoin more than doubled since it IPOed and mining difficulty has been raising accordingly
Aug 31 06:05:23 <mircea_popescu>   Chaang-Noi is just front and center in pretty much any drama, but other than that it's not clearly proven he's dishonest.
Aug 31 06:05:26 <mircea_popescu>   just a little silly at  times.
Aug 31 06:05:43 <BTC-Mining>   Thus price lowered, however Gigamining's rig should get upgraded.
Aug 31 06:05:43 <mircea_popescu>   BTC-Mining and we should discount this for what reason ?
Aug 31 06:05:52 <Chaang-Noi>   means a great deal coming from you mircea
Aug 31 06:05:59 <Chaang-Noi>   i would ahte for anyone to think we were friends
Aug 31 06:06:14 <mircea_popescu>   lol
Aug 31 06:06:17 <Chaang-Noi>   yeah im very happy with giga stock
Aug 31 06:08:11 <BTC-Mining>    <@assbot> GIGAMINING [1@1BTC] paid: 0.41490096 BTC. Last price: 0.82 BTC. Capital gain: -0.18 BTC. Total: 0.23490096 BTC. (23.5%)
Aug 31 06:08:25 <BTC-Mining>   0.41 paid, -0.18 capital gain, net +23.5%
Aug 31 06:08:37 <BTC-Mining>   Gigamining's price at IPO wasn't bad
Aug 31 06:08:42 <mircea_popescu>   as long as we're making scenarios, you could have bought at 1 sold at 1.5
Aug 31 06:08:44 <mircea_popescu>   some people did.
Aug 31 06:08:55 <BTC-Mining>   aye, and some people overpaid the stock
Aug 31 06:08:58 <mircea_popescu>   more's the point, on any stock chart you can make these imaginary paths where you win money no matter what happens.
Aug 31 06:09:09 <mircea_popescu>   with the benefit of knowing the future, that's grea.t
Aug 31 06:09:30 <BTC-Mining>   Indeed, you could, assuming you can foresee the future... unfortunatly you can't
Aug 31 06:10:23 <Chaang-Noi>   im glad im friends with james
Aug 31 06:10:30 <Chaang-Noi>   and let me in on the ipo
Aug 31 06:10:42 <mircea_popescu>   it was public on the forums wasn't it.
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Aug 31 06:11:01 <BTC-Mining>   hmm...
Aug 31 06:11:59 <mircea_popescu>   ;;ticker
Aug 31 06:12:00 <gribble>   Best bid: 10.78001, Best ask: 10.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.00999, Last trade: 10.78, 24 hour volume: 29529, 24 hour low: 10.6, 24 hour high: 10.907
Aug 31 06:18:16 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.4693 = 0.9386 BTC [-]
Aug 31 06:19:50 <Ignatius-otc>   mircea_popescu: what measures are in place on mpex to prevent a lif.* like asset from defaulting in the way the thread you linked to me describes?
Aug 31 06:20:31 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [V.HRL] 1 @ 1 BTC
Aug 31 06:20:39 <Ignatius-otc>   does mpex have investment funds? if so, when they are poorly managed and lose most/all btc...how would this play out any differently if the exchange were mpex instead of glbse
Aug 31 06:20:40 <Chaang-Noi>   there is not money traded on mpex so nothing can be lost
Aug 31 06:20:42 <mircea_popescu>   i don't allow random people to list.
Aug 31 06:20:50 <mircea_popescu>   Chaang-Noi now why do you insist to lie on the matter ?
Aug 31 06:21:13 <Chaang-Noi>   not a lie, but an exageration to absurdity
Aug 31 06:21:20 <Chaang-Noi>   clearly a few btc is on your exchange
Aug 31 06:21:22 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 1.09 = 2.18 BTC [-]
Aug 31 06:21:24 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 1.099 BTC

Aug 31 06:21:29 <mircea_popescu>   but you are aware that glbse did something like 20% of the satoshi dice volume, right ?
Aug 31 06:21:35 <Chaang-Noi>   so yes you can be scammed too
Aug 31 06:21:37 <mircea_popescu>   mostly because... it has no investors.
Aug 31 06:21:43 <mircea_popescu>   of course i can be scammed  too.
Aug 31 06:21:59 <mircea_popescu>   the difference is that i haven't been.
Aug 31 06:22:04 <Chaang-Noi>   glbse took 20% of the volume of a stock on your exchange? oh lol
Aug 31 06:22:07 <mircea_popescu>   just like any wife could be a whore. she has the equipment.
Aug 31 06:22:12 <Ignatius-otc>   is there an actual third party blockchain like way to verify any of your volume claims mp?
Aug 31 06:22:12 <mircea_popescu>   the ideea is that some are and some aren't.
Aug 31 06:22:16 <Chaang-Noi>   thats pretty funny stat
Aug 31 06:22:24 <mircea_popescu>   Ignatius-otc you could try twitter i guess ?
Aug 31 06:22:40 <Ignatius-otc>   twitter? as proof of volume? so...the same as glbse?
Aug 31 06:22:44 <Chaang-Noi>   why would 20% not wnt to use your exchange and pick glbse over it? oh wiat, never mind
Aug 31 06:22:54 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.45 BTC

Aug 31 06:22:56 <mircea_popescu>   Chaang-Noi because they don't have 20 btc, mostly.
Aug 31 06:23:06 <mircea_popescu>   Ignatius-otc how would you construct proof of volume ?
Aug 31 06:23:08 <mircea_popescu>   in an ideal world ?
Aug 31 06:23:21 <Ignatius-otc>   trusted third party verification
Aug 31 06:23:33 <mircea_popescu>   there's not that many third parties that i trust.
Aug 31 06:23:37 <Ignatius-otc>   just generally aksing though, your statements seem like they could alle asily apply to any exchange,even yours
Aug 31 06:23:43 <assbot>   [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.00039724 = 17.0813 BTC [-]
Aug 31 06:23:47 <mircea_popescu>   which specifically ?
Aug 31 06:23:48 <Ignatius-otc>   apply easily*
Aug 31 06:24:05 <Ignatius-otc>   mainly the collusion thing is what got me to chime in and the fun here
Aug 31 06:24:12 <mircea_popescu>   a. well here's the thing :
Aug 31 06:24:17 <Ignatius-otc>   i still havent seen anything suggesting glbse is in collusion with defaulting assets
Aug 31 06:24:42 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [FDBF] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-]
Aug 31 06:25:19 <mircea_popescu>   you got neighbourhood A, where there never was a violent crime. you got neighbourhood B, where about half the citizens routinely get hauled off to prison on various violent charges.
Aug 31 06:25:25 <mircea_popescu>   now... where do you make your home ?
Aug 31 06:25:45 <mircea_popescu>   sure, in principle crime is crime, it can happen anywhere, innocent till proven guilty and all that.
Aug 31 06:25:49 <mircea_popescu>   but, where do you make your home ?
Aug 31 06:25:56 <Ignatius-otc>   that wasn't my concern
Aug 31 06:26:03 <mircea_popescu>   well that was the extent of my argument.
Aug 31 06:26:13 <Ignatius-otc>   my concern is when you alluded multiple times that glbse staff are/were involved in scams
Aug 31 06:26:19 <mircea_popescu>   shit happens too many times it's either incompetence or collusion.
Aug 31 06:26:27 <BTC-Mining>   This isn't about making your home tho, it's about making money
Aug 31 06:26:49 <mircea_popescu>   BTC-Mining no, the making money part has been longresolved. anyone with any capital and any sense goes wherwe the volume is.
Aug 31 06:26:57 <mircea_popescu>   we're on to discussing the irrational part, of homemaking.
Aug 31 06:27:03 <BTC-Mining>   and although GLBSE had many scam/default, when chosen correctly, the assets pay a lot more.
Aug 31 06:27:03 <mircea_popescu>   that being the last argument left, really.
Aug 31 06:27:17 <mircea_popescu>   BTC-Mining do you know which is the highest yield asset on glbse ?
Aug 31 06:27:29 <BTC-Mining>   So people only go where the volume is eh? Guess we should all strictly invest in government bonds then
Aug 31 06:27:41 <BTC-Mining>   The highest were pirate's passthrough
Aug 31 06:27:44 <mircea_popescu>   nope
Aug 31 06:27:46 <mircea_popescu>   try again ?
Aug 31 06:28:08 <BTC-Mining>   hmm... OBSI.HRPT currently
Aug 31 06:28:11 <mircea_popescu>   mnope
Aug 31 06:28:17 <mircea_popescu>   want a third or are you bored ?
Aug 31 06:28:27 <BTC-Mining>   Bored
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Aug 31 06:28:34 <mircea_popescu>   !pl mpoe.etf 0.1
Aug 31 06:28:34 <assbot>   Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while).
Aug 31 06:28:52 <mircea_popescu>   gee they take this beta thing seriously.
Aug 31 06:28:52 <assbot>   MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.0104835 BTC. Last price: 1.3 BTC. Capital gain: 1.2 BTC. Total: 1.2104835 BTC. (1210.5%)
Aug 31 06:29:11 <assbot>   [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.0622 BTC [-]
Aug 31 06:29:23 <Ignatius-otc>   To be clear I personally am not arguing that any glbse asset is a sound investment, I just want to make sure the exchange itself is reputable.
Aug 31 06:29:32 <mircea_popescu>   Ignatius-otc how would you do that ?
Aug 31 06:29:59 <Ignatius-otc>   similar to feedback systems all voer the internet is how I personally went about it
Aug 31 06:30:04 <mircea_popescu>   i regard it as disreputable. i might just be biased. some people regard it as reputable. course they don't tend to disclose their ownership interest in it.
Aug 31 06:30:07 <mircea_popescu>   what can you do ?
Aug 31 06:30:24 <Ignatius-otc>   and in doing so, found absolutely no evidence glbse is up to no good, same for chaang, yet I watch you sit here and bash the fk out of these things pretty frequently...

Note: I'm posting logs lately mostly to illustrate for the benefit of forum-hobbled minds that yes, in fact irc is where it's at.

[bitcoinbear]

Note: I'm posting logs lately mostly to illustrate for the benefit of forum-hobbled minds that yes, in fact irc is where it's at.

Which channel is this from?

[OneEyed]

Note: I'm posting logs lately mostly to illustrate for the benefit of forum-hobbled minds that yes, in fact irc is where it's at.

Which channel is this from?

Most likely #bitcoin-assets.

[MPOE-PR]

Bitcoin-assets indeed.

[JoelKatz]

Well I got an e-mail back from Nefario about my asking for the undisputed coin. He claims he did not understand the e-mail and wants a new e-mail to be sent...

He is just playing games. :/

I think that gives us our answer. Your message was about as clear as it can be. If all he needed was an address to make payment, he now has it.

Nefario: If Goat didn't actually send that message, or didn't include a valid address, or you did pay him back and he's lying, or you didn't send the email Goat claims, or anything like that, *please* speak up. Because now it's really looking like your holding undisputed funds to obtain leverage in a legitimate dispute. Because we're only hearing one side of this story, and it is making you look very bad.

[Bitcoin Oz]

Well I got an e-mail back from Nefario about my asking for the undisputed coin. He claims he did not understand the e-mail and wants a new e-mail to be sent...

He is just playing games. :/

I think that gives us our answer. Your message was about as clear as it can be. If all he needed was an address to make payment, he now has it.

Nefario: If Goat didn't actually send that message, or didn't include a valid address, or you did pay him back and he's lying, or you didn't send the email Goat claims, or anything like that, *please* speak up. Because now it's really looking like your holding undisputed funds to obtain leverage in a legitimate dispute. Because we're only hearing one side of this story, and it is making you look very bad.

Nefario hasnt been on the forum for 3 days so its hard to say if he is even responding to emails either.

[JoelKatz]

Nefario hasnt been on the forum for 3 days so its hard to say if he is even responding to emails either.

Nefario and GLBSE seem to have completely abandoned Goat's asset holders and their obligation to secure their ownership interests. If that's not what's really happened, they really need to say so.

Would any Goat asset holders who have sent complaints to GLBSE support (preferably recently) please share what they've been getting back?

[Maged]

Well I got an e-mail back from Nefario about my asking for the undisputed coin. He claims he did not understand the e-mail and wants a new e-mail to be sent...

He is just playing games. :/

Not cool.

He has 24 hours to send you the funds, otherwise things will get interesting.

[Maged]

Well I got an e-mail back from Nefario about my asking for the undisputed coin. He claims he did not understand the e-mail and wants a new e-mail to be sent...

He is just playing games. :/

Not cool.

He has 24 hours to send you the funds, otherwise things will get interesting.

Response received. The ball is now in Goat's court.

[CJGoodings]

Starting to get interesting now

[SaltySpitoon]

I think we need to make these things more like a prize fight. Where someone wins, and the other person loses. For example Goat and Nefario would get into a thread where no one but themselves could post. They would then go back and forth until one gives up or one wins by predetermined rules set by the moderators. The winner wins, and the loser is banished! That or something else cool. We could do execution rules, but those would be sort of hard to enforce. I don't know, just throwing an idea out there.

[Maged]

Thank you, Goat. This was apparently just a BIG misunderstanding thanks to a non breaking space character that caused the address to fail validation. I apologize for being so harsh, but neither of you were really acting in good faith, so I didn't know what to expect.

[Maged]

The claim system is good enough. If someone gives you a claim code you don't have, tell them to bring it up with Nefario. If more than one person claims a code, just give it to the first person. It's not your responsibility to figure it out. If there is a problem with how the claim system was done, it is Nefario's responsibility to reimburse anyone that has a problem that a better system would have solved. Period. If he didn't want this liability on his hands, he would have just done it right in the first place.

The ONLY thing you need to check is that the amount of claim codes match the number of shares issued.

[reeses]

I think we need to make these things more like a prize fight. Where someone wins, and the other person loses. For example Goat and Nefario would get into a thread where no one but themselves could post. They would then go back and forth until one gives up or one wins by predetermined rules set by the moderators. The winner wins, and the loser is banished! That or something else cool. We could do execution rules, but those would be sort of hard to enforce. I don't know, just throwing an idea out there.

There is no one better qualified to judge this than I.

[reeses]

Well Maged demanded that I send him and Theymos the e-mails I sent to Nefario or be banned in 48 hours for lying.

That's awesome. 

[burnside]

Well Maged demanded that I send him and Theymos the e-mails I sent to Nefario or be banned in 48 hours for lying.

That's awesome. 

Yeah, imagine that.  Theymos owns what?  21% of GLBSE?  No conflict of interest there.

[Maged]

Well Maged demanded that I send him and Theymos the e-mails I sent to Nefario or be banned in 48 hours for lying.

That's awesome. 

Yeah, imagine that.  Theymos owns what?  21% of GLBSE?  No conflict of interest there.

I only asked that it be sent to theymos as a reference. Theymos is not in charge of this investigation. Additionally, I did not ask for the previous communications. I only asked that a NEW email be sent to Nefario that included the address that would be CC'd to us. I needed proof that Goat wasn't just lying about having sent the address, since Nefario told me that the address he was sent wasn't validating.

[burnside]

Well Maged demanded that I send him and Theymos the e-mails I sent to Nefario or be banned in 48 hours for lying.

That's awesome. 

Yeah, imagine that.  Theymos owns what?  21% of GLBSE?  No conflict of interest there.

I only asked that it be sent to theymos as a reference. Theymos is not in charge of this investigation. Additionally, I did not ask for the previous communications. I only asked that a NEW email be sent to Nefario that included the address that would be CC'd to us. I needed proof that Goat wasn't just lying about having sent the address, since Nefario told me that the address he was sent wasn't validating.

Thank you for the clarification.

[stochastic]

Well Maged demanded that I send him and Theymos the e-mails I sent to Nefario or be banned in 48 hours for lying.

That's awesome. 

Yeah, imagine that.  Theymos owns what?  21% of GLBSE?  No conflict of interest there.

I only asked that it be sent to theymos as a reference. Theymos is not in charge of this investigation. Additionally, I did not ask for the previous communications. I only asked that a NEW email be sent to Nefario that included the address that would be CC'd to us. I needed proof that Goat wasn't just lying about having sent the address, since Nefario told me that the address he was sent wasn't validating.

After reading his message again Maged did not ask for the old e-mails. He only asked for the bitcoin address. (That was my mistake but still.. I think I proved my point that I did not lie and that I was acting in good faith...


This was the part of the message from Maged that made me think I should send the old e-mails.

"Failure to do so will result in you being marked as a scammer and possibly even banned for the following reasons:
1) Publicly lying about having sent Nefario a Bitcoin address. This will be considered libel and ALL posts, made by anybody, referencing this specific lie will be DELETED to protect the forum from legal action."

but in fairness he did only ask for an address.

Thanks.

Why not just post the address on the forums?  Anyway, this is all kind of ridiculous.  Couldn't Maged just ask Nefario if he got the emails with the bitcoin address?

[Maged]

Well Maged demanded that I send him and Theymos the e-mails I sent to Nefario or be banned in 48 hours for lying.

That's awesome. 

Yeah, imagine that.  Theymos owns what?  21% of GLBSE?  No conflict of interest there.

I only asked that it be sent to theymos as a reference. Theymos is not in charge of this investigation. Additionally, I did not ask for the previous communications. I only asked that a NEW email be sent to Nefario that included the address that would be CC'd to us. I needed proof that Goat wasn't just lying about having sent the address, since Nefario told me that the address he was sent wasn't validating.

After reading his message again Maged did not ask for the old e-mails. He only asked for the bitcoin address. (That was my mistake but still.. I think I proved my point that I did not lie and that I was acting in good faith...


This was the part of the message from Maged that made me think I should send the old e-mails.

"Failure to do so will result in you being marked as a scammer and possibly even banned for the following reasons:
1) Publicly lying about having sent Nefario a Bitcoin address. This will be considered libel and ALL posts, made by anybody, referencing this specific lie will be DELETED to protect the forum from legal action."

but in fairness he did only ask for an address.

Thanks.

Why not just post the address on the forums?  Anyway, this is all kind of ridiculous.  Couldn't Maged just ask Nefario if he got the emails with the bitcoin address?

As long as one third party observer sees the address, it's fine if it's not posted. Also, I agree, this is ridiculous. This shouldn't be this difficult. Finally, yes, I did ask Nefario, but he said that he wasn't sent a valid address, which turns out to have just been a misunderstanding. Nefario is quickly running out of excuses.