Transgender

[TECSHARE]

That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

How is "acceptance" and "tolerance" different? They appear the same to me, as a tolerant society is built upon acceptance of all its members.

Full Definition of TOLERANCE
1:  capacity to endure pain or hardship :  endurance, fortitude, stamina

2
a :  sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own
b :  the act of allowing something :  toleration

3:  the allowable deviation from a standard; especially :  the range of variation permitted in maintaining a specified dimension in machining a piece
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tolerance

Full Definition of ACCEPTANCE
1:  an agreeing either expressly or by conduct to the act or offer of another so that a contract is concluded and the parties become legally bound

2:  the quality or state of being accepted or acceptable

3:  the act of accepting :  the fact of being accepted :  approval
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acceptance

In short, everyone has a right to tolerance. Tolerance means people allow each other to live their lives in peace even if they do not agree. Acceptance is basically synonymous with agreement or approval. There are two very different things. One individual does not have the right to force another individual to approve of their ideology. Everyone however does have a right to tolerance in this country. Without understanding and allowing both, this very diverse nation would rip itself apart, because the fact is we will never all agree on anything.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

How is "acceptance" and "tolerance" different? They appear the same to me, as a tolerant society is built upon acceptance of all its members.

Full Definition of TOLERANCE
1:  capacity to endure pain or hardship :  endurance, fortitude, stamina

2
a :  sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own
b :  the act of allowing something :  toleration

3:  the allowable deviation from a standard; especially :  the range of variation permitted in maintaining a specified dimension in machining a piece
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tolerance

Full Definition of ACCEPTANCE
1:  an agreeing either expressly or by conduct to the act or offer of another so that a contract is concluded and the parties become legally bound

2:  the quality or state of being accepted or acceptable

3:  the act of accepting :  the fact of being accepted :  approval
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acceptance

In short, everyone has a right to tolerance. Tolerance means people allow each other to live their lives in peace even if they do not agree. Acceptance is basically synonymous with agreement or approval. There are two very different things. One individual does not have the right to force another individual to approve of their ideology. Everyone however does have a right to tolerance in this country. Without understanding and allowing both, this very diverse nation would rip itself apart, because the fact is we will never all agree on anything.

Apparently, the most (vocal) in the US do not understand this, and it is ripping us apart.

[TECSHARE]

Apparently, the most (vocal) in the US do not understand this, and it is ripping us apart.

This is why I vociferously point out the Marxist roots of such activities, because it clearly aligns with Marxist ideologies. Marxist groups infiltrate these activist groups and use them much like a parasite uses its host. It has no concern for the life of the host as long as it can preserve itself long enough to reach its own goals then jump ship. Many of these groups have nothing at all to do with their publicly purported causes.

Some of the LGBT activist groups have picked up this methodology from feminist activist groups, which have found this strategy very successful in creating general division and the destruction of the family unit up until this point. This is arguably the smallest divisible unit that makes up the structure of society in the USA. The destruction of religion is also another clear goal of Marxist doctrine. We see many activist groups targeting these two ideas currently, either directly or indirectly. Feminism as we know it today as a movement has its origins within Marxist doctrines, and these doctrines are being deployed via many other activist groups in order to give them an air of legitimacy and distract from their true goals. This country needs more tolerance, but some things just shouldn't be accepted.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Apparently, the most (vocal) in the US do not understand this, and it is ripping us apart.

This is why I vociferously point out the Marxist roots of such activities, because it clearly aligns with Marxist ideologies. Marxist groups infiltrate these activist groups and use them much like a parasite uses its host. It has no concern for the life of the host as long as it can preserve itself long enough to reach its own goals then jump ship. Many of these groups have nothing at all to do with their publicly purported causes.

Some of the LGBT activist groups have picked up this methodology from feminist activist groups, which have found this strategy very successful in creating general division and the destruction of the family unit up until this point. This is arguably the smallest divisible unit that makes up the structure of society in the USA. The destruction of religion is also another clear goal of Marxist doctrine. We see many activist groups targeting these two ideas currently, either directly or indirectly. Feminism as we know it today as a movement has its origins within Marxist doctrines, and these doctrines are being deployed via many other activist groups in order to give them an air of legitimacy and distract from their true goals. This country needs more tolerance, but some things just shouldn't be accepted.

I am a woman and have always been offended by feminists, so I can see how some transgenders/homosexuals would be offended by those who go too far. The strings really do seem to be pulled by the very vocal elite, in charge of mainstream media, etc.

[TECSHARE]

Apparently, the most (vocal) in the US do not understand this, and it is ripping us apart.

This is why I vociferously point out the Marxist roots of such activities, because it clearly aligns with Marxist ideologies. Marxist groups infiltrate these activist groups and use them much like a parasite uses its host. It has no concern for the life of the host as long as it can preserve itself long enough to reach its own goals then jump ship. Many of these groups have nothing at all to do with their publicly purported causes.

Some of the LGBT activist groups have picked up this methodology from feminist activist groups, which have found this strategy very successful in creating general division and the destruction of the family unit up until this point. This is arguably the smallest divisible unit that makes up the structure of society in the USA. The destruction of religion is also another clear goal of Marxist doctrine. We see many activist groups targeting these two ideas currently, either directly or indirectly. Feminism as we know it today as a movement has its origins within Marxist doctrines, and these doctrines are being deployed via many other activist groups in order to give them an air of legitimacy and distract from their true goals. This country needs more tolerance, but some things just shouldn't be accepted.

I am a woman and have always been offended by feminists, so I can see how some transgenders/homosexuals would be offended by those who go too far. The strings really do seem to be pulled by the very vocal elite, in charge of mainstream media, etc.

Divide and conquer.

[jaysabi]

That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

How is "acceptance" and "tolerance" different? They appear the same to me, as a tolerant society is built upon acceptance of all its members.

In short, everyone has a right to tolerance. Tolerance means people allow each other to live their lives in peace even if they do not agree. Acceptance is basically synonymous with agreement or approval. There are two very different things. One individual does not have the right to force another individual to approve of their ideology. Everyone however does have a right to tolerance in this country. Without understanding and allowing both, this very diverse nation would rip itself apart, because the fact is we will never all agree on anything.

I highly agree with your sentiment here, with the caveat that to me, "tolerance" and "acceptance" seem like synonyms to me. But let's take your differentiation of the two; I think it accurately describes everyone. Strip out gender identity and look at any two politically opposed entities and it plays the same. Liberals and conservatives are tolerant of each other, but they're both fighting for "acceptance" of their ideology by the other group (to use your differentiation of it). This is not a transgender-specific issue, but a question of how any one group interacts with any other group.

[TECSHARE]

That's the lynchpin of this whole debate. These activist groups don't speak for the majority of LGBT peoples. Most LGBT people would be more than happy to live in an environment of tolerance, like everyone has a right to. What these groups are demanding is acceptance, and no one has a right to force anyone else to accept their own world view. All of these overreaching policies these activist groups are trying to push effect all of us. Opposition to them is not equivalent to bigotry or hatred no matter how much they wish to cast it in this light.

You hit the nail on the head and so eloquently. Thankyou.

How is "acceptance" and "tolerance" different? They appear the same to me, as a tolerant society is built upon acceptance of all its members.

In short, everyone has a right to tolerance. Tolerance means people allow each other to live their lives in peace even if they do not agree. Acceptance is basically synonymous with agreement or approval. There are two very different things. One individual does not have the right to force another individual to approve of their ideology. Everyone however does have a right to tolerance in this country. Without understanding and allowing both, this very diverse nation would rip itself apart, because the fact is we will never all agree on anything.

I highly agree with your sentiment here, with the caveat that to me, "tolerance" and "acceptance" seem like synonyms to me. But let's take your differentiation of the two; I think it accurately describes everyone. Strip out gender identity and look at any two politically opposed entities and it plays the same. Liberals and conservatives are tolerant of each other, but they're both fighting for "acceptance" of their ideology by the other group (to use your differentiation of it). This is not a transgender-specific issue, but a question of how any one group interacts with any other group.

They are in fact two different words with two different meanings, even if they are closely related, it is still an important differentiation. People have a right to be free from abuse and harassment, but to force another to agree with your ideologies is a fundamentally flawed concept that can only be achieved thru force if at all. Attempting to convince others of your ideology is not equivalent to demanding it as if it is something you are entitled to. Acceptance can only be earned, not forced.

The economy of ideas demands that all ideologies are compared and the most efficient and effective of those ideologies will rise to the top by displacing the flawed ideologies. Anyone who violates this social contract does not deserve a place at the table with the rest of civilized society.

After all, if you truly believe your ideas to be righteous and true, you should have no problem with them being tested in the crucible of civilization. Good ideas have a way of rising to the top by the force of their own momentum and by the increase in efficiency that is created by the solution to the current system's own imperfections.

[TECSHARE]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

Enough people do this and it will be like The Boy who Cried Wolf sooner or later.....

[cooldgamer]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

This is an absolute shit thing to do, but not really specific to LGBT.  A black person could spray-paint the n-word on their house and do the same thing. 

At least they got found out and will get what they deserve, karma's a bitch

[Sourgummies]

Or a environmentalist can break a pipeline.

Always going to be people screaming foul in any group to gain attention and prop up their side.

[jayce]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

People will do anything to get money in many ways, even some of them will take the advantage of racism or LGBT issues on this.

[bitcollins85]

It's so fascinating what we can do with modern science! On one side there's a obviously male manly man and yet that man becomes a obviously female looking girly girl! It blows my mind!

[TECSHARE]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

This is an absolute shit thing to do, but not really specific to LGBT.  A black person could spray-paint the n-word on their house and do the same thing. 

At least they got found out and will get what they deserve, karma's a bitch

No, it is not specific to LGBT people, but unlike a black person, you can't really prove if some one is actually gay or not. This opens up abuse of the idea of protected classes on a whole other level. Literally anyone could make these claims for almost any reason. Try pretending to be black and see how that works out for you.

[dodgecharger]

It intrigues me that as a thing transgender exists. I just personally can't imagine the feelings that lead someone to believe they are the wrong gender. I just can't fathom what it would be like to look down at my genitals and think 'this is wrong.

[cooldgamer]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

This is an absolute shit thing to do, but not really specific to LGBT.  A black person could spray-paint the n-word on their house and do the same thing. 

At least they got found out and will get what they deserve, karma's a bitch

No, it is not specific to LGBT people, but unlike a black person, you can't really prove if some one is actually gay or not. This opens up abuse of the idea of protected classes on a whole other level. Literally anyone could make these claims for almost any reason. Try pretending to be black and see how that works out for you.

True, but it doesn't stop some that are not white from taking advantage of it.  Although it does seem to be more common among the LGBT community, I'd guess this is because of the recent media coverage giving the ideas to those who would do this type of thing.

http://fakehatecrimes.org/

[TECSHARE]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

This is an absolute shit thing to do, but not really specific to LGBT.  A black person could spray-paint the n-word on their house and do the same thing.  

At least they got found out and will get what they deserve, karma's a bitch

No, it is not specific to LGBT people, but unlike a black person, you can't really prove if some one is actually gay or not. This opens up abuse of the idea of protected classes on a whole other level. Literally anyone could make these claims for almost any reason. Try pretending to be black and see how that works out for you.

True, but it doesn't stop some that are not white from taking advantage of it.  Although it does seem to be more common among the LGBT community, I'd guess this is because of the recent media coverage giving the ideas to those who would do this type of thing.

http://fakehatecrimes.org/

I think part of the reason it may be more common in the LGBT community is because of the Marxist roots of the socialized gender identity theory where they believe gender identity is 100% a result of societal conditioning. This kind of rational can make it a lot easier for people to justify these things in their minds because it promotes a unique sense of entitlement that results from the idea that all of society has stolen your true identity from you. As they are a smaller group compared to any racial minority group, pretty much anyone is a justifiable target based on that ideology.

[cooldgamer]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

This is an absolute shit thing to do, but not really specific to LGBT.  A black person could spray-paint the n-word on their house and do the same thing.  

At least they got found out and will get what they deserve, karma's a bitch

No, it is not specific to LGBT people, but unlike a black person, you can't really prove if some one is actually gay or not. This opens up abuse of the idea of protected classes on a whole other level. Literally anyone could make these claims for almost any reason. Try pretending to be black and see how that works out for you.

True, but it doesn't stop some that are not white from taking advantage of it.  Although it does seem to be more common among the LGBT community, I'd guess this is because of the recent media coverage giving the ideas to those who would do this type of thing.

http://fakehatecrimes.org/

I think part of the reason it may be more common in the LGBT community is because of the Marxist roots of the socialized gender identity theory where they believe gender identity is 100% a result of societal conditioning. This kind of rational can make it a lot easier for people to justify these things in their minds because it promotes a unique sense of entitlement that results from the idea that all of society has stolen your true identity from you. As they are a smaller group compared to any racial minority group, pretty much anyone is a justifiable target based on that ideology.

For tumblrites?  Possibly.  For the everyday LGBT person, they just want to live their lives.  There are bad apples in every population, but saying being LGBT gives you some messed up ideology is a pretty sweeping generalization.

For comparison, an estimated 2 to 8 percent of rape accusations are false.  If we go off the lower number, There are 1875 false rape accusations per year.  This means that there could be 118 false hate crimes and still fall within about the same area, up to 400+ if we use the larger estimate.  These numbers fall well within the range of the FBI's hate crime statistics, which have 1260 LGBT-related hate crimes

Rape statistics
false accusations



edited for better sources instead of guesstimations

[TECSHARE]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

This is an absolute shit thing to do, but not really specific to LGBT.  A black person could spray-paint the n-word on their house and do the same thing.  

At least they got found out and will get what they deserve, karma's a bitch

No, it is not specific to LGBT people, but unlike a black person, you can't really prove if some one is actually gay or not. This opens up abuse of the idea of protected classes on a whole other level. Literally anyone could make these claims for almost any reason. Try pretending to be black and see how that works out for you.

True, but it doesn't stop some that are not white from taking advantage of it.  Although it does seem to be more common among the LGBT community, I'd guess this is because of the recent media coverage giving the ideas to those who would do this type of thing.

http://fakehatecrimes.org/

I think part of the reason it may be more common in the LGBT community is because of the Marxist roots of the socialized gender identity theory where they believe gender identity is 100% a result of societal conditioning. This kind of rational can make it a lot easier for people to justify these things in their minds because it promotes a unique sense of entitlement that results from the idea that all of society has stolen your true identity from you. As they are a smaller group compared to any racial minority group, pretty much anyone is a justifiable target based on that ideology.

For tumblrites?  Possibly.  For the everyday LGBT person, they just want to live their lives.  There are bad apples in every population, but saying being LGBT gives you some messed up ideology is a pretty sweeping generalization.

For comparison, an estimated 2 to 8 percent of rape accusations are false.  If we go off the lower number, There are 1875 false rape accusations per year.  This means that there could be 118 false hate crimes and still fall within about the same area, up to 400+ if we use the larger estimate.  These numbers fall well within the range of the FBI's hate crime statistics, which have 1260 LGBT-related hate crimes

Rape statistics
false accusations



edited for better sources instead of guesstimations

First of all, I have already made my point clear that most LGBT people would be perfectly happy to be tolerated and live their lives in peace without being harassed. Second of all, you made this conclusion first, I was simply expanding on it, now you are disagreeing with it calling it a generalization when it was not a generalization, but an observation of activities within the LGBT community. Please resist the urge to be so PC that you contradict yourself.

The activist groups within this community are the ones with the Marxist ties pushing this nonsense and teaching LGBT people that this kind of behavior is a form of justice, using the protected status of these people to push their Marxist ideologies in order to create more division and weaken society as a whole so it can be more easily displaced with Socialism and Marxist based ideals. In reality these activists groups don't give a damn about their struggles and are simply inhabiting that community and many others like a parasite.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Tennessee lesbian couple faked hate crime and destroyed own home with arson for insurance claim, jury rules
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tenn-lesbian-couple-faked-hate-crime-arson-home-court-article-1.2315755

This is an absolute shit thing to do, but not really specific to LGBT.  A black person could spray-paint the n-word on their house and do the same thing.  

At least they got found out and will get what they deserve, karma's a bitch

No, it is not specific to LGBT people, but unlike a black person, you can't really prove if some one is actually gay or not. This opens up abuse of the idea of protected classes on a whole other level. Literally anyone could make these claims for almost any reason. Try pretending to be black and see how that works out for you.

True, but it doesn't stop some that are not white from taking advantage of it.  Although it does seem to be more common among the LGBT community, I'd guess this is because of the recent media coverage giving the ideas to those who would do this type of thing.

http://fakehatecrimes.org/

I think part of the reason it may be more common in the LGBT community is because of the Marxist roots of the socialized gender identity theory where they believe gender identity is 100% a result of societal conditioning. This kind of rational can make it a lot easier for people to justify these things in their minds because it promotes a unique sense of entitlement that results from the idea that all of society has stolen your true identity from you. As they are a smaller group compared to any racial minority group, pretty much anyone is a justifiable target based on that ideology.

For tumblrites?  Possibly.  For the everyday LGBT person, they just want to live their lives.  There are bad apples in every population, but saying being LGBT gives you some messed up ideology is a pretty sweeping generalization.

For comparison, an estimated 2 to 8 percent of rape accusations are false.  If we go off the lower number, There are 1875 false rape accusations per year.  This means that there could be 118 false hate crimes and still fall within about the same area, up to 400+ if we use the larger estimate.  These numbers fall well within the range of the FBI's hate crime statistics, which have 1260 LGBT-related hate crimes

Rape statistics
false accusations



edited for better sources instead of guesstimations

First of all, I have already made my point clear that most LGBT people would be perfectly happy to be tolerated and live their lives in peace without being harassed. Second of all, you made this conclusion first, I was simply expanding on it, now you are disagreeing with it calling it a generalization when it was not a generalization, but an observation of activities within the LGBT community. Please resist the urge to be so PC that you contradict yourself.

The activist groups within this community are the ones with the Marxist ties pushing this nonsense and teaching LGBT people that this kind of behavior is a form of justice, using the protected status of these people to push their Marxist ideologies in order to create more division and weaken society as a whole so it can be more easily displaced with Socialism an Marxist based ideals. In reality these activists groups don't give a damn about their struggles and are simply inhabiting that community and many others like a parasite.

Just again, I have to say. I totally believe this is happening. It happened in feminism too. As a woman, I still think feminism did way more harm then good. These sideline people are trying to direct things, and create friction where there need not be friction, because they want things to dissipate. In feminism, it led to women taking jobs and being separated from their families, so that children would be brought up to be alone, versus family members. I know my parents were divorced, and my mom had to work 2 jobs to take care of us, and though I loved spending time with her when we could, I ended up being way more independent.

As for transgenders, the message should have been tolerance from the beginning not acceptance. But whoever orchestrated that, knew that. The fact that some people think those words mean the same thing, is no mistake, IMHO.