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October 29, 2015, 03:02:54 AM
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Techinically that would take time and money and everything related to Laws. It makes sense though

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October 29, 2015, 12:11:22 PM
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Something like this has already been done in the Articles of Confederation... for the United States of America. In case you don't know, this was the "Constitution" before the current Constitution. It didn't have enough strength to fight King George at that time, so it was dropped - even though it is really still in effect. It's just that nobody respects it.

The thing you are looking for is something like this.

1. Everyone is free to do anything he wants as long as he doesn't harm anyone else, damage the property of some other person, or break a contract (which is really harming or damaging someone else).

2. There would be a system of judges that would have no power whatsoever until someone brought a claim of harm or damage. Once a claim was brought, the judges would have the ability to organize a jury to determine the judgment of the claim. The judges would have no power to judge unless the both the claimant and the denier agreed to it.

Judges would be subject to the same laws as the rest of the people.

3. Payment to the judges would be made by the claimants unless the jury decided otherwise.

4. Laws would be made by voluntary contract among groups of people for use with those who were part of the contracts. Laws would not be able to be copyrighted. Thus, anyone could form a group that would agree to the same laws that others had previously agreed to.

Something like the above would be the basis. It takes real thinkers to write contracts that would be good enough to be laws for people. One of the most important laws that would have to be made would be the way that private property land would be "registered" so that everyone would know what property was owned by whom.

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October 29, 2015, 04:05:17 PM
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Cannot be done without opportunity. The best one would be a post world war period
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October 29, 2015, 04:19:45 PM
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Cannot be done without opportunity. The best one would be a post world war period

Actually, the opportunity exists all over America right now. In fact, people are using it. Consider the BLM against the Bundys. A nation wasn't formed, of course, but it shows that if people want to, they can do it. They need to be ready to fight, however.

There is absolutely nothing in law that prohibits the people of America from forming their own nation right on top of the United States. After all, the Articles of Confederation were never repealed as law, and the people simply went forward with the Constitution for the United States of America right on top of the Articles.

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November 01, 2015, 11:22:01 AM
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I don't support this kind of anarchist capitalist world.
It always reminds me Ayn Rand's world in Bioshock where everyone hungers for power endlessly.

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November 02, 2015, 12:18:08 PM
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I would love to live in that kind of society at least for once.
It could be great experience about how we actually don't need a government.
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November 03, 2015, 10:07:37 AM
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I never understood exactly anarchy, but also do not understand the United States and they say it is the freest country in the world...
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November 03, 2015, 12:55:31 PM
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I would like to live in a likeminded community but a micronation would be a bit much. Everybody should have to buy their own property and pay for their own stuff, no freeloaders.
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November 03, 2015, 01:00:41 PM
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I tihnk a lot of communes fail and attract a lot of scam artists.  Undecided
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November 04, 2015, 11:26:24 AM
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The only way you could have independence would be to secede and prepare for war. If you do so, you don't have to buy land.

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November 04, 2015, 12:39:19 PM
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I think it can be done. If we have enough budget we can create the micronation in middle of the ocean outside territorial waters. Plus we nee a navy, airforce and military to protect the new nation. This is very costly but feasible.
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November 04, 2015, 12:44:56 PM
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I never understood exactly anarchy, but also do not understand the United States and they say it is the freest country in the world...

According to the writings, the Constitution and the Bill of rights, on which all U.S. laws are based, the people have two options. These options are:
1. To follow the legality of the United States Government;
2. To NOT follow the legality of the United States Government.

American people think that if they don't obey U.S. laws that they are setting themselves up for punishment. This is true for only one reason. That reason is that the people don't know how to use the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to overcome every law of the United States Government.

Nowhere in any of the writings of the United States are people subject to anything in the U.S. Gov. except if they sight a contract to the effect that they are. Because of this, the only way that someone can say that a person did something criminally, is if the person agrees to it.

Other than that, if there are civil disagreements, it falls under the common law, except if people decide and agree that they want to do it differently.

Common law is where the people use a jury to decide claims of harm or damage against one another or against government.

The laws of the government make it impossible for the government to win in a civil claim, because in court, the plaintiff must appear. If the plaintiff is the government, he can't get on the stand and testify as law requires, so government loses.

The people are free. But if they are too stupid to learn how to use their freedom, they are making themselves to be slaves.

http://voidjudgments.com/

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November 15, 2015, 04:12:07 PM
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People without any knowledge of anarchism equate anarchy with chaos and bloodshed, and I agree that such a thing would happen if governments just disappeared.

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November 15, 2015, 11:13:34 PM
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People without any knowledge of anarchism equate anarchy with chaos and bloodshed, and I agree that such a thing would happen if governments just disappeared.

At the same time, if I am the government, and you want to start a simpler government - like every man for himself - I would say that you are looking to start anarchy. What I mean is, "anarchy is chaos" is a political statement from people who want to remain in control.

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November 15, 2015, 11:20:50 PM
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People without any knowledge of anarchism equate anarchy with chaos and bloodshed, and I agree that such a thing would happen if governments just disappeared.
Anarchism is a political philosophy in which the members do away with all laws and governments. (At least, that's how I understand it.)

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November 15, 2015, 11:24:21 PM
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People without any knowledge of anarchism equate anarchy with chaos and bloodshed, and I agree that such a thing would happen if governments just disappeared.
Anarchism is a political philosophy in which the members do away with all laws and governments. (At least, that's how I understand it.)

Such a thing never happens. Even if all the formal governments in America went bust and shut down, each family or individual human being would be a government to himself. And the laws he enacted for his everyday living would be the laws.

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November 16, 2015, 05:09:30 PM
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King Leonard managed this with Hutt River province in Australia... I've been there, creepy place lol. He has his own money and crown and he sells ambassadorships so people can claim ambassadorial rights abroad lol.

This is a bit like bitnation too - except that's bordlerless and quite serious :/.

Basically, I feel you and I'm with you. I have already moved to a home stead in Wales to live a simpler life, but I would move my family to live in a community of like-minded people and to stand for something important... especially somewhere warmer, although with climate instability revving up, not too close to sea level or fault lines perhaps.

Any constitution would have to be worked on democratically imo and it should contain at its heart the principles of freedom and the hippocratic imperative, with the absence of hierarchy or dominion, just jury style systems for proposals and conflict resolution.

It all sounds lovely. Organise a meet-up in the uk and I'll come to discuss face-to-face for sure. Count me in for £250k and the nicest spot Wink.



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November 17, 2015, 03:56:15 AM
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Anarchist micronation? More than that is happening right now in Europe. All Europe is becoming one big Muslim anarchist "micronation" from all the Muslim immigrants coming in from the Islamic countries.

Watch this video or one of the other copies at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQkE13m8j0.

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December 16, 2016, 07:53:31 AM
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King Leonard managed this with Hutt River province in Australia... I've been there, creepy place lol. He has his own money and crown and he sells ambassadorships so people can claim ambassadorial rights abroad lol.

This is a bit like bitnation too - except that's bordlerless and quite serious :/.

Yeah Prince of Hutt River is now in the news...

New idea is to declare independence from Australia and allegiance to the U.K. commonwealth:

The Australian government is destroying everything for money: http://www.topherfield.net/ato-takes-hutt-river-province/


Here are some prior discussion of other ideas:

New Zealand – Bucking the Trend to Move Cashless?

You can remain a non-tax resident in New Zealand by not staying there more than 183 days out of every 12 months. If you do become a tax resident, you get 2 years of tax free on worldwide income (not only domestic income). And then you can become a non-tax resident again by being outside the country for 325 days in a year:

http://www.ird.govt.nz/forms-guides/keyword/e-commerce/ir292-guide-nz-tax-residence.html

Remember Kim Dotcom has chosen NZ for his safe haven. NZ does have the north-westerlies which make some people very moody, but apparently this can be avoided seasonally and also living on the main island.


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One of my correspondents (and her family) was from Australia having moved there after Rhodesia became Zimbabwe.  She wanted OUT of Oz for the reasons mentioned above: even greater Socialist tendencies than the USA.

She, last I heard, has settle on PARAGUAY!  Paraguay (which I visited once almost 30 years ago) is a very backwater place, but I thought it was rather tranquil.  I would bet it is CHEAP.  Paraguay's Eastern Chaco region has the cheapest biomass for sale on the planet. Lots of big & remote places (as in no decent road access) are on sale.  WATER is the main problem.  Lots of sun though, good for solar power.

PY is corrupt, but they all are in S. America.  Brazilians are starting to take over (by migration similar to Mexican informal invasion into the USA) the eastern part of the country.

If you want to be left alone, the Paraguayan Chaco is a place you can disappear.

OROBTC, as I wrote in my reply to you in the MA thread, Paraguay is good for residency and citizenship, but not for living. Problems with the rebels in the Chaco area. Problems with drugs and crime infestation in the cities. Perhaps it is not as bad as the stories on the internet? (I remember stories on the internet of how bad it was in Mindanao, yet I've been here on and off for 25 years)

The way to live in S.A. is Paraguay citizenship and tourist living in Argentina. Or if you prefer substitute any tax haven citizenship for Paraguay, such as Dominica, Pitcairn island, etc..

If you want a place to escape from crime and do what ever you want (including your guns), then look for a Pacific island to buy. Some of us could pool our resources to do that if we were serious.

Yeah Australia looks like it is being taken over by the Communist Chinese as well, who are buying up the land. And they turned Wikileaks founder Assange over the USA. And they highly regulate guns which is so strange for a country that is mostly wide open farms. But Australia is more first world and safer than S.A. countries (and also incredibly expensive).
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December 16, 2016, 08:43:10 AM
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I hate the Australian government with every fibre of my being, good luck to the old man. They will try to bankrupt him, they don't care, they are soulless thieving pigs. I think to attempt something like this today would be an extremely expensive and stressful exercise, the government will happily waste millions of tax payer dollars attacking people who try it.



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