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August 05, 2015, 03:13:27 AM
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Meanwhile, my filipina gf asks me for 500 pesos ($11) to pay for her younger sister's "1st grading" in the public high school in Pagadian.

I pointed out that education is by law free in the Philippines:

http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1988/ra_6655_1988.html

The local DECS official and the school principle and teachers have apparently conspired on this corrupt lie to the ignorant masses. It is not worth us fighting it, because then my gf might get blacklisted from obtaining the documents she needs from her high school in order to qualify for a passport.

They got you by the balls. Sticking the red, white, and blue dick up your asshole every day.
Philippines wow my great grandad was full phillippines
we used to get free milk free uniform all gone now.. soon they be taking free dinners to soon
plus kids got to pay for uni nothing is becoming free
so your getting your wish lazy people will suffer fact
i am not worried never been lazy i work for nothing i go the gym so not afraid of hard work
any ways going to sleep now i think you should get some to Wink
good night well morning here but peace bro
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August 05, 2015, 02:26:08 PM
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By saying things like "actually, you have no rights -- check out all these loopholes with which the evil authorities could screw you", you're unwittingly playing into the hands of bad actors, getting people to expect evilness and to feel powerless and oppressed. Much like "bad news" could be clever PR to raise expectations about increased prices, the same applies to PR about "more government mischief on the way".

The look the other way and hope it won't happen to me delusion. We've been there and done that megadeath over and over in history.

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

You're confusing  at least 3 different things:
-ignorance of a real problem
-procrastination and inaction when faced with an acknowledged problem
-the questionable "reality" of a problem

I can't force you to see the part you're playing if you've got your eyes screwed shut.
Guess what. By "warning" people about the war machine, you're actually building it up and oiling its wheels in a positive feedback loop.
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August 05, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
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Citizenship in the sovereign State of ________ (hereafter referred to as the State)
Hell to the no. Individual sovereignty and the non-aggression principle are all I need for a decent world, thank you very much.

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August 07, 2015, 11:47:53 PM
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I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad
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I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad
Wrong and willfully ignorant.

Human nature is trusting, open, generous, curious, compassionate, and kind. Study Bonobo Chimpanzees for reference.

By contrast, most of human culture is myth-rooted, unscientific, deceptive, ignorant, fearful, hateful, and self-and-other-destructive. Why is that? Culture is ancient, it's been around for tens of thousands of years - most of that time dominated by violence - while modern reason is a relative infant at only around 400 years old.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/28/science/researchers-trace-empathy-s-roots-to-infancy.html

http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror.aspx

https://www.dnalc.org/view/852-Mirror-Neurons-and-Empathy.html

http://news.emory.edu/stories/2014/03/chimpanzees_and_empathy/campus.html

http://cultureofempathy.com/references/Experts/Frans-de-Waal.htm

http://www.democracyjournal.org/16/6740.php?page=all

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Human nature is trusting, open, generous, curious, compassionate, and kind. Study Bonobo Chimpanzees for reference.

By contrast, most of human culture is myth-rooted, unscientific, deceptive, ignorant, fearful, hateful, and self-and-other-destructive. Why is that? Culture is ancient, it's been around for tens of thousands of years - most of that time dominated by violence - while modern reason is a relative infant at only around 400 years old.


From what did that “violence” (Beliathon) originate (if not from “[h]uman nature” [Beliathon])—?  Shocked

Quote from: Jonathan Webb, BBC News, 2014 link=http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29237276
These parameters link the violence to natural selection: killing competitors improves a male chimp's access to resources like food and territory - and crucially, it will happen more frequently when there is greater competition from neighbouring groups, and when the males can patrol in large numbers, with less risk to their own survival.


Chimpanzees and bonobos are our closest living evolutionary relatives

"It's a natural behaviour - it's not something that we've induced by disturbance or intervention," explained Dr Susanne Shultz, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Manchester.

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August 08, 2015, 09:29:31 PM
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I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad
Wrong and willfully ignorant.

Human nature is trusting, open, generous, curious, compassionate, and kind. Study Bonobo Chimpanzees for reference.

By contrast, most of human culture is myth-rooted, unscientific, deceptive, ignorant, fearful, hateful, and self-and-other-destructive. Why is that? Culture is ancient, it's been around for tens of thousands of years - most of that time dominated by violence - while modern reason is a relative infant at only around 400 years old.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/28/science/researchers-trace-empathy-s-roots-to-infancy.html

http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror.aspx

https://www.dnalc.org/view/852-Mirror-Neurons-and-Empathy.html

http://news.emory.edu/stories/2014/03/chimpanzees_and_empathy/campus.html

http://cultureofempathy.com/references/Experts/Frans-de-Waal.htm

http://www.democracyjournal.org/16/6740.php?page=all
I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad
Wrong and willfully ignorant.

Human nature is trusting, open, generous, curious, compassionate, and kind. Study Bonobo Chimpanzees for reference.

your wrong too because starve a human and see how nice we are then
humans are nice if well fed
we are the same as any animal just we go to the shop for our food
 if a lion could walk in any food shop and get food it would stop hunting in time because much easier to go to the shop



 the less food around the worse we become .FACT
same if you got no money because it buys you food
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August 09, 2015, 04:09:46 PM
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I am bothered by second guessing myself about whether I am rational about the severity of the coming problems in the world.

For example the recent discussion between trollercoaster and myself, wherein it is about him pulling up roots from a very first-class lifestyle country (Australia) with contemplation of exchanging it for a lower lifestyle country and lower standard-of-living (although I will say I love the simple life, so a farm isn't necessarily lower standard-of-living from my perspective).

Will the world really get so totalitarian that it is necessary to make such radical changes to our lives?

One would tend to think that society will get pushed to a certain point and then society will change or demand adjustments because people all over the world don't want to live in some sort of totalitarian hell.

Yet we have examples from history where society went F.U.B.A.R.. For example WW1 and then later WW2 were essentially due to the European socialism that resulted trying to resist the technological unemployment of the Second Industrial Revolution (mass production and the end of cottage industry).

Sound familiar?

We are repeating the same. Europe is resisting the technological unemployment of the Second Computer Revolution (aka internet and Knowledge Age) by increasing socialism to sustain old engrained patterns (of the baby boomers).

Nature cleans out the old to make way for the new, and when the old refuses to adjust nature cleans it out with the necessary force.

Unfortunately boomers and socialists will not change. They'd rather die than give up their humanistic ideas. They firmly believe theirs was the righteous.

Ideological fanaticism is what drives horrific outcomes. We have that in spades at this juncture...


Edit: on the way up the debt mountain, everyone goes out of their way to relieve hardship and the brutal realities of nature. On the way down the debt cliff, it is a free fall into the brutality of nature. Communities which didn't eat the poison and remained self-reliant pull together. Communities that ate the poison spin apart into brutal chaos. Communities of tough love remain functional and compassionate. Communities of free love diverge into dysfunction and brutality.

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You were asking why Europeans support socialism and feminism... It is because they are humanists; feminism can be thought of as the culmination of humanist thought...

Karl Marx's own definition of Humanism reads:
"Humanism is the denial of God, and the total affirmation of man... Humanism is really nothing else but Marxism"
--Karl Marx, ECONOMIC POLITIQUE ET PHILOSOPHIE, VOL. I, PAGES 38-40.

Anyway, I'm sure many other Europeans will explain the general zeitgeist here too.

Let's do a Steve Jobs and be brutally frank.

Apparently feminism = hedonism.

I've noticed how much Westerners are getting a thrill from teaching two women to eat each other's pussies.

I think Nordic Europeans support feminism because it enables them to justify fucking non-virgins and then the hedonistic dominoes from there.

It also frees the men from the obligation to raise children, if they can convince the women they are more powerful if they don't bear children.

I've noticed here in the Philippines, the females are vehemently anti-abortion and anti-birth control. It is very, very difficult to get them to take birth control pills and they are not that happy about using a condom. These are real women who want to have the real happiness of bearing children and raising a family. My own mother criticizes me when I don't force the women I am involved with to use birth control pills!

Europe has entered decadent Frankenstein mode and the USA is following close behind.

I am not trying to be a moral dogmatic oppressor here. I know any of us can be influenced as we are human, but the thing is that once a man prefers to get happiness more from hedonism than from family, then the culture is broken. The society will collapse into an abyss.

And this is precisely what is happening to Europe.

How does a mother who has become bisexual raise her daughter and son  Huh (not my mother)

Sorry I am fairly open minded person and I've explored many things in life, but I can tell you there is a major difference between the gf I have now and some of the Western women. My gf values dogs, children, family. She could easily be a hedonistic queen given her D breasts and very attractive face (not to mention brown skin), but she is humble and wants the things that really make happiness.

Those Europeans who support feminism are insatiable. They want to steal and have everything. They don't want any natural limits on society. They want that man is superior to nature. Why should a woman be limited to sex with only a man or a human? She can fuck a pet monkey and that is more freedom. Why must she bear children. It is better we educate the women to fuck more people, sexes, and things and have more freedom! It isn't enough for her to undress and fondle herself on a webcam, instead the men want her to pee and insert objects into every orifice.

And that is why they've run their debt sky high. And they can not change their system. They are addicted.


Regarding the Trump discussion (and resurgence in Republicans in general), I have concluded the winner will be...

...the military-industrial complex.

Right on time with MA's War Cycle, which expects war and pandemic to start going hot in 2017 and really accelerating into 2018.

We'll get the increased military spending. The reduced taxes won't matter because the world is going to be so fucked by the rising interest rates and War Cycle, that no one will be able to avail of the opportunities to start businesses in the tangible industrial age economy.

The Knowledge Age doesn't give a shit about the taxes any way, since they will be 0 for the anonymous internet coming.

A global smashup ahead. Trump card doesn't change anything and if anything this lurch back to the hard right politics accelerates it.

Now we see why the USA must break apart into regions as MA predicts. It is because the morass can not be changed from WA D.C. After 2017, the Americans will start to realize they have to take matters into their own hands.

The Feds will fight the militias. The country will break into parts. The world will be a much different place.

Crazy world we are heading into. Be prepared accordingly.

Edit: Rand Paul alludes to Trump being beholden to special interests. That Trump is loudly declaring that he isn't, is probably telling us that he is. Of course he knows he can't win without playing ball with powerful interests. He openly admits the realities of leverage. Trump is obviously willing to appease the NSA and military-complex in order to go after hard-nosed trade deals. He will appear to be a populist but is a wolf in sheepskin.

Trump represents a rise of fascist-capitalism in the USA. He is not talking about printing money the way the German socialists did, but instead it will be a hard lurch towards a brutal economic default coupled with military imperialism fully bankrupting Rome. As with Rome, the barbarians will later be at the gates of Rome and overrun it.

In fact, we need free trade and free markets. Rising protectionism is what lead to WW2. Trump is a very bad result for us.

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August 09, 2015, 04:23:10 PM
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Hell to the no. Individual sovereignty and the non-aggression principle are all I need for a decent world, thank you very much.

Indeed per the linked video, the State is going to collapse into a NWO eugenics hell. I have written extensively about this.

So what is your plan to avoid being persecuted as the totalitarianism tries to retain control and attempt to drag everyone down with it using extreme violence?

Will you just allow them to kill you?

Non-defense is not always a solution to aggression.

Hitler rolled over pacifists like a hot knife through butter.

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I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad
Wrong and willfully ignorant.

Human nature is trusting, open, generous, curious, compassionate, and kind. Study Bonobo Chimpanzees for reference.

By contrast, most of human culture is myth-rooted, unscientific, deceptive, ignorant, fearful, hateful, and self-and-other-destructive. Why is that? Culture is ancient, it's been around for tens of thousands of years - most of that time dominated by violence - while modern reason is a relative infant at only around 400 years old.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/28/science/researchers-trace-empathy-s-roots-to-infancy.html

...

Your conceptualization of the issue is low IQ.

It is the power vacuum of organization that forces a power to fill it.

I suggest you read Eric Raymond, a man with a 150 - 160 IQ explain the issue of the Logic of Collective Action:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984

Our hope now is for decentralization technologies to enable man to organize without the existance of a power vacuum. All my work in crypto is about his. This is why an anonymous internet and money is a movement and not just a fascination.

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August 09, 2015, 04:34:31 PM
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I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad

Individuals can't do that much bad against a society where citizens can carry guns.

Rather it is the collective organization of individuals that empowers the State to have the might to enact horrific megadeath.

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http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35782

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Rand Paul, on the other hand, showed he could not stand up to Christie. He revealed a lack of passion and commitment and that showed he was not really a leader. Very disappointing.

Paul got straight to the point that is not necessary to violate everyone's privacy in a false strawman that it aids fighting terrorism. He got thunderous applause.

But what we really see is that the American public would much prefer a guy who can top-down manage the world, than a modest guy who wants free markets.

And so the Americans may get their Trump card, who wants to empower the military-industrial complex more.

What this shows is that there is no solution that can come from voting for a government. The only solution is taking matters into our own individual hands. For that, we MUST have anonymity technology else we are doomed to the whims of the collective.

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August 09, 2015, 07:13:56 PM
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Hell to the no. Individual sovereignty and the non-aggression principle are all I need for a decent world, thank you very much.

That is what all the Chinese People "Need" but won't get =D
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Hell to the no. Individual sovereignty and the non-aggression principle are all I need for a decent world, thank you very much.

Indeed per the linked video, the State is going to collapse into a NWO eugenics hell. I have written extensively about this.

So what is your plan to avoid being persecuted as the totalitarianism tries to retain control and attempt to drag everyone down with it using extreme violence?

Will you just allow them to kill you?

Non-defense is not always a solution to aggression.

Hitler rolled over pacifists like a hot knife through butter.
The non-aggression principal has little in common with pacifism.
The NAP simply recognizes that no one has the moral right to initiate force upon any individual and there are no exceptions for groups of individuals or any organization calling itself the govt.
Self defense is not at all incompatible with the NAP.
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August 10, 2015, 01:45:21 PM
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From what did that “violence” (Beliathon) originate (if not from “[h]uman nature” [Beliathon])—?  Shocked
Ignorance (including all superstition) -> Fear -> Hatred -> violence

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So what is your plan to avoid being persecuted as the totalitarianism tries to retain control and attempt to drag everyone down with it using extreme violence?
Flee the totalitarian nation as first response, suicide as plan B, duh. Didn't you study Nazi Germany in school? Flee while you can, painless death if you can't.

The non-aggression principal has little in common with pacifism.
The NAP simply recognizes that no one has the moral right to initiate force upon any individual and there are no exceptions for groups of individuals or any organization calling itself the govt.
Self defense is not at all incompatible with the NAP.
This is accurate.

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From what did that “violence” (Beliathon) originate (if not from “[h]uman nature” [Beliathon])—?  Shocked
Ignorance (including all superstition) -> Fear -> Hatred -> violence


(For reason of your confirmation bias, you seem to have overlooked the majority of that post—which I quote now below.)

Quote from: Jonathan Webb, BBC News, 2014 link=http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29237276
These parameters link the violence to natural selection: killing competitors improves a male chimp's access to resources like food and territory - and crucially, it will happen more frequently when there is greater competition from neighbouring groups, and when the males can patrol in large numbers, with less risk to their own survival.


Chimpanzees and bonobos are our closest living evolutionary relatives

"It's a natural behaviour - it's not something that we've induced by disturbance or intervention," explained Dr Susanne Shultz, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Manchester.

Where there is heterarchy, there is reason. Where there is hierarchy, there is treason.

Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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I use bitcoin because I want to earn anonymously online. It's also a good investment and I like low transaction fees of bitcoin

I love you because I am formerly AnonyMint and since 2013 my goal has been to add more anonymity to cryptoland. Thanks for validating my thesis about a coming glorious, anonymous Knowledge Age.

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Each year, the Royal Geographical Society organises, in association with BBC Radio 4, a contest to discover the most imaginative and exciting dream travel project. Rhiannon Adam is this year's winner and her goal was to visit one of the world's smallest countries, Pitcairn Island.

Rhiannon grew up on sailing boat in the Atlantic reading romantic stories about The Mutiny of the Bounty and Pitcairn Island as final resting place for the renegade mutineers. She wondered about this far flung piece of the former British Empire and, as a wandering Brit, whether she might have something in common with the descendants of the mutineers.

The tiny, remote British territory of Pitcairn lies in the Pacific between Chile and and New Zealand. It is home to about fifty people and its remoteness has raised questions about its future as it needs to attract more settlers in order to survive. The romantic image of the island was challenged a decade ago when a number of men on the island were imprisoned for sexual abuse of young girls.

In this very personal account, photographer Rhiannon Adam explores the romance and reality of Pitcairn Island on her 'Journey of a Lifetime'.


An mp3 of the 30 minute programme can be downloaded here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j144b



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Thread sucks kill yourselves

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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