ANTMINER S5+ is available to order, 7.722TH/S 0.445J/GH

[VirosaGITS]

Bitcoinware (Canada) is going way overboard with their pricing. $4,599.95 CAD

Just wow.

http://bitcoinware.net/collections/frontpage/products/antminer-s5-plus?utm_source=bitcoinware.net+newsletter&utm_campaign=abc5548e4c-new+products&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d5fe4ea7fe-abc5548e4c-231875677&mc_cid=abc5548e4c&mc_eid=e4aaf8d181

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[adaseb]

Bitcoinware (Canada) is going way overboard with their pricing. $4,599.95 CAD

Just wow.

http://bitcoinware.net/collections/frontpage/products/antminer-s5-plus?utm_source=bitcoinware.net+newsletter&utm_campaign=abc5548e4c-new+products&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d5fe4ea7fe-abc5548e4c-231875677&mc_cid=abc5548e4c&mc_eid=e4aaf8d181

That website never has any decent deals, I highly doubt they get much business. It should cost around $3300 with the exchange rate and shipping

[adaseb]

Can't believe the day finally came to a new Miner being released? Any reviews or videos on this product out yet?

yes , Here are some Videos presented by ITOP Corp

Thanks for the video. That thing is very loud. Probably good for a datacentre or in the basement. Probably not a good home miner.

[Tupsu]

okay  lets do it this way.  I have 3 psu's on hand to run it.    this is 2473 shipped to my home.

6 s-5's are 2267 shipped to my home  

let's go the other way . For my 3 x S5+ I have 6 x EVGA G2 1300W+some extra 2 x PCI-E EVGA cables and
  3X Bitmaintech  APW3-12-1600-B2 PSU .  
Plenty of PCI-E plugs for powering 3 x S5+

6 s-5's with a little over clock do 1250 each = 7500gh  at .5  =  3750 watts    6 controllers  so you can disable 3 of them and run   30 watts less so you have 3720 watts

I do not think that you're going to make longer cables.  So that  30W  saving never has happened.

But 6 x overclocked S5  is 7500 GH/s x 0.51=3851W , not 3720W.

1 s-5+ with a little under clock will do 7500gh at .445 = 3337.5 watts   so   you get equal hash  and 400 watts difference in power.

that is about 30 dollars a month in power  in favor of the s-5++  

Why under clock ? At normal speed 7722 GH/s x 0.445W/GH  =3436W

3851 - 3436 =415 W savings + extra 222GH/s

 price is the same for psu's

price is 196 more for s-5++   and at 1 dollar a day power savings the price is  =  after 196 days.

so until the 196th day the s-5's ae cheaper.  and even at day 196  since you double up on the s-5 controllers you have 3 spare controllers.

My expenses with 3 x Bitmaintech PSU were   600 USD
EVGA  PSU-s is itself already recouped , almost with video cards mining time.

Or let the s-5's each use 1 controller power cost is 32 a month. so in 180 days you are equal cost.

I do not think that you're going to make longer cables. However, if you do,  you need time for it . time =money

The risk of the s-5+  is the controller dies you are dead in the water.
The 6 s-5's allow up to 3 controller deaths and you can just double up the gear.

I have left  three of S5 controllers.
I am sure that they will also work in S5 + Miner if the power given to them properly.

Now, the most important thing.  I've already sold  20 x Antminer S5 for  33BTC  
20 x 1155=23100GH/s         3X7722=23166Gh/s
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=858962.msg11959170#msg11959170

Therefore, I will use the same money (33BTC)  again for bying 3 x S5+
Saving extra 1,4kW/h  per hour,
per month 1000 kW/h

save me with  six months  the price of three APW3-12-1600-B2  power supply

Most guys buying an s-5+  are really big and getting a bulk deal.

And no, I  did not get a discount for 3 x S5 and I do not care.
Obviously, I can not even get coupons , because the last S5  I bought a long time ago.

[Xircom]

Tupsu, as said your self. No gain by the S5+ vs the S5.
So in the end you are going to spend more money than those 33BTC to get them up running and as I see it you would be better of keeping the S5`s and wait for the S7 being released some time this fall.
I think the S5+ is a way of "Keep the Buzz" go around the Bitmain brand when some new miners are enterring the marked soon.
Last but not least, if you fry a controller, like they do once a while, you have a complete dead S5+ while you only miss 1.1-1.3TH on a S5
No matter how you turn it around the ROI point for the S5+ is much longer than a S5

[Betwrong]

r they worth investment still?

[Tupsu]

The time and the right decisions.
That is all that counts in the world of BTC.
(I've done a lot of wrong decisions before,  hopefully purchase 3x S5+ is not one of them)

I have today exactly 100TH/s  x S5 in Hashnest. I can always sell it and buy  some S7 (If S7 comes to Hashnest for sale)
I leave only all my water cooled S5. Winter is not far away.

I do not believe that  is a simple way   to make water-cooled S5+ and get it ready before winter.

..........
Last but not least, if you fry a controller, like they do once a while, you have a complete dead S5+ while you only miss 1.1-1.3TH on a S5
.......

I have left  three of S5 controllers from water cooled S5 miners with 4 blades.
I am sure that they will also work in S5 + Miner if the power given to them properly.

[notlist3d]

Tupsu, as said your self. No gain by the S5+ vs the S5.
So in the end you are going to spend more money than those 33BTC to get them up running and as I see it you would be better of keeping the S5`s and wait for the S7 being released some time this fall.
I think the S5+ is a way of "Keep the Buzz" go around the Bitmain brand when some new miners are enterring the marked soon.
Last but not least, if you fry a controller, like they do once a while, you have a complete dead S5+ while you only miss 1.1-1.3TH on a S5
No matter how you turn it around the ROI point for the S5+ is much longer than a S5

There is a slight electricity gain on efficiency.   I will be honest though I see it back in stock and I'm having trouble pulling the trigger.   I have ran many ROI  math, and I just am not sure. 

The positives i see is it is much less space, and also easy to use 220/240.  I have a 240 line just sitting there waiting for me to put miners on it.   But I have not pulled the trigger yet guess I will think about it some more.

My biggest fear is buying it and next gen from a any of the companies pops up.   It is just hard to predict.

[mavericklm]

dunno man... i think 2 undercloked sp3x are better
i mean, psu in miner and less noise...
now it depends on the price of sp3x, underclock, price of electricity, etc....

[edonkey]

dunno man... i think 2 undercloked sp3x are better
i mean, psu in miner and less noise...
now it depends on the price of sp3x, underclock, price of electricity, etc....

The trick though is to find an SP3x. I had hoped that some might free up as people buy the S5+, but I haven't seen much availability yet.

[-droid-]

dunno man... i think 2 undercloked sp3x are better
i mean, psu in miner and less noise...
now it depends on the price of sp3x, underclock, price of electricity, etc....

The trick though is to find an SP3x. I had hoped that some might free up as people buy the S5+, but I haven't seen much availability yet.

Yeah I've been trying to get my hands one one for a couple weeks now.. To no avail, they are super hard to come by.. Bitcoinware has them with 4 week shipping delay for 2200.. Ouch

[Tupsu]

dunno man... i think 2 undercloked sp3x are better
i mean, psu in miner and less noise...
now it depends on the price of sp3x, underclock, price of electricity, etc....

I would generally agree with you, if Spondoolies Tech sell spare parts for the normal price.
But they will not do it.
My preference is currently Bitmaintech. All these miners are easier to repair.

[mindtrip]

You guys have to understand this unit is designed with Density in mind. So for all the guys who have rack space to fill you can fit these S5+ Units nicely in a 4U Rack space compared to S5 units, obviously the small efficiency bump was due to under clocking and better cooling. In light of bitmain offering PacMic V3 and the S5+ unit at the same time this is an indication that the chip is end of life and the PacMic is to fund there tap out of there new chip for an S7 coming sometime in the next few months. Obviously the sale of all there second hand S5's is a clear sign they are cleaning out there farm to upgrade to the newer miners. Most other companies KnC, Spondoolies aren't offering any new miners to public I still think bitmain is a good company even though there focus is shifting to making gear for themselves with a side market of selling to enthusiasts around the world but make no mistake there top priority is having the most efficient gear for themselves first

[Tupsu]

You guys have to understand this unit is designed with Density in mind. So for all the guys who have rack space to fill you can fit these S5+ Units nicely in a 4U Rack space compared to S5 units, obviously the small efficiency bump was due to under clocking and better cooling. In light of bitmain offering PacMic V3 and the S5+ unit at the same time this is an indication that the chip is end of life and the PacMic is to fund there tap out of there new chip for an S7 coming sometime in the next few months. Obviously the sale of all there second hand S5's is a clear sign they are cleaning out there farm to upgrade to the newer miners. Most other companies KnC, Spondoolies aren't offering any new miners to public I still think bitmain is a good company even though there focus is shifting to making gear for themselves with a side market of selling to enthusiasts around the world but make no mistake there top priority is having the most efficient gear for themselves first

I do not believe in conspiracy theories. But I  do not believe,  that some of their 3 different PacMic still mine with antminer S5, as they say.
I just do not believe it.

[mindtrip]

Agreed. I think they are always one step ahead of what they offer to the public 

[notlist3d]

You guys have to understand this unit is designed with Density in mind. So for all the guys who have rack space to fill you can fit these S5+ Units nicely in a 4U Rack space compared to S5 units, obviously the small efficiency bump was due to under clocking and better cooling. In light of bitmain offering PacMic V3 and the S5+ unit at the same time this is an indication that the chip is end of life and the PacMic is to fund there tap out of there new chip for an S7 coming sometime in the next few months. Obviously the sale of all there second hand S5's is a clear sign they are cleaning out there farm to upgrade to the newer miners. Most other companies KnC, Spondoolies aren't offering any new miners to public I still think bitmain is a good company even though there focus is shifting to making gear for themselves with a side market of selling to enthusiasts around the world but make no mistake there top priority is having the most efficient gear for themselves first

I do not believe in conspiracy theories. But I  do not believe,  that some of their 3 different PacMic still mine with antminer S5, as they say.
I just do not believe it.

I have no doubt they have a plan that is best for them.  I do suspect they also have some of the best unknown electricity rates.  I suspect the got rid of quite a bit of thier S5's during last batch.  And might have but S5+'s in for temporary hashing.

But I think their electricity is so low they likely could run a S5 easily for most of the PacMic contracts.  Although electricity price they give public on it is nothing special - fixed at 0.098 USD per kWh .

I do see uses for S5+'s.  I just see a lot of unknowns.

[cniht]

I guess with the extra wattage the PSUs will run with slightly less heat.

What do you mean by "and don't care if 7.7TH are down".. Do you mean down (failure) due to not following the warranty instructions?

@cniht & @sloopy,
I appreciate your responses.

Keep to the warranty statements to the letter.
IF you aren't sure, ask BITMAIN and get in writing from them. I do not say this to say people are dishonest, I say this because misunderstandings happen, and they happen even more when the boss is in china, or the questions and answers are being translated from english to chinese, just get it in writing and e-mails are fine.
Keep your documentation from your order being placed and confirmed like you keep your bitcoins. Backed up, printed copies stored in several locations haha. Seriously though, that is your only warranty ticket and what you will be asked to send them for any warranty claim. Keep a digitized / scanned / emailed copy handy,and a printed copy somewhere else.
Just because a guy here on the forum pulls his apart on day one and re-pastes the heat sinks doesn't mean you need to do so. They are dead serious about not doing anything without their permission and people can tell many things. They put marks, stickers, etc all over the place sometimes. I do check the cable connections. I'm not dismantling the thing to do so without their permission which I will ask and I expect them to say yes. It is not unheard of at all for things to work loose between here and there, and I haven't been told no but CYA - cover yo ass -

Few things I'd like to comment on that may help or may not help with the general discussion.  I got my first S5 from Amazon, I it's new, it's a 90-day warranty.  I think the 90 day warranty is cool. (They literally said the seller was Bitmain and it comes in standard packaging like from China)  Also Amazon is a huge company, dealing through them gives little ole me a bit of muscle for returns or other things because of defects (at least within the first 30 days).  But I definitely got screwed on price, $569 after taxes.  Most of that being just Amazon markup.  (MY FIRST mistake in bitcoin mining).  Then I got a ATX Corsair 750 bronze also from Amazon. (SECOND mistake)  After hooking the things up I was getting like a whopping 83-85% power efficiency rating.  After actually learning what an 80+ bronze/Silver/Gold/Plat/Titanium rating even means then I realized running two of these S5's as a test run (which was my plan at first before trying to turn this into a mini-business.) I would be having massive expenses in kw/h costs over that gold EVGA 1300W2 which is gold and will run two miners solo.  So it accomplishes my objective.  Luckily Amazon with their return policy allowed me to 'correct' this mistake.  I just ordered the other power supply, and am returning the 80+ Bronze supply.  Then I learn about the difference between a Server PSU and an ATX PSU and it is giving me even more food for thought, so definitely 'read, read, read' as you said.

However on the warranty stuff, they start on a lot on the little card (basically about all the ways they can shred your warranty) they give you about not making modifications etc etc.  However on their support/troubleshooting page they literally give you pages upon pages of disassembling the devices and putting them back together and adding thermal paste etc.  No where on ANY of those pages does it say those actions violate or invalidate the warranty.  I had to use those pages because I had a hash board that literally wasn't firing, and I still have 1 dead chip on the other hash board.  Granted, you're not really 'modifying' their device like with the Inline delay that you mentioned between cords.  But while I agree Email in writing direct from Bitmain Support is always the best option.  I'd think they have to grant a little leeway since they are freely offering up instructions on how to basically disassemble and reassemble their device as official 'Support Troubleshooting'.  I take the phrase 'don't modify our device' on the warranty as in don't change the core structure of any of our components  (moving them around would be fine).  But as you are trying to do, you want the CYA.

I completely agree in the future avoiding re-sellers like the plague, even Amazon.  Just buy bitcoins from exchanges and then purchase your goods for Bitmain.  In the least saves a ton on fees and that middle man margin.

(Page in question I had to use to test hash boards  Btw I got the board fixed, loose connection or something.)
https://bitmain.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204875015-How-to-diagnose-S5-hashing-PCB

PS:  I did not take the actual hash boards off the heat sinks to check the paste.  That was just a little too scary for me right now when dealing with an alien product I just blew $500+ on.

But if Bitmain is going so far as to push you toward pages with that detailed of work for a retail consumer then you should have to have some minor wiggle room as far as doing things and not invalidating the warranty.

With regard to the comment about the stacking and heat, I also agree with you.  I didn't take any of that into account in my analysis  Same with cost on PSUs.  But I also basically am looking at the S5+ as 'made for' a data center environment.  It just doesn't seem to be home miner friendly.  But you're right.  All the other things out there, Bitmain seems to be the ONLY company selling products that offer a true ROI.

[POM]

So what kind of Wattage PSUs should one be running?( assuming they are getting 3x identical PSU) for the S5+

[notlist3d]

So what kind of Wattage PSUs should one be running?( assuming they are getting 3x identical PSU) for the S5+

They recommend 3 of their PSU's - https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201505040743496917U7kGsCm0694

I would agree with going with server PSU's on these.  Unless you happen to have them paid off ATX is going to be more expensive.

[philipma1957]

So what kind of Wattage PSUs should one be running?( assuming they are getting 3x identical PSU) for the S5+

They recommend 3 of their PSU's - https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201505040743496917U7kGsCm0694

I would agree with going with server PSU's on these.  Unless you happen to have them paid off ATX is going to be more expensive.

3 of their psu's leaves 1300-1400 watts of overhead.


I would prefer 2x 2000 watt servers  and only have 500-600 watts of overhead.