Yesminer M20 / M10

[xoox]

No adaseb the order I made was just one (two if you consider the upgrade).
I sent in total about 2200 €..
And let' note that they have attributed 4 order #, where instead there should be a total of 2 # I think!
     

[yxt]

Do you think you will get your miner?
I say no, lets do a bet!

Do you know the past from Mr Volker Studier?
Call him and ask him if he was ever in jail!
Ask him if he was involved in the Jansen kidnapping.

Than think again why you should trust that small company without any proof or experience in chip design, claiming to do a better miner than the major players.
They could sell it like sliced bread, but they refuse to show any proof and sell instead with very high discount.
Why do they not try to maximize their profits?

They claimed a high number of shipped units, but no unit was ever seen in the wild...
account on ebay was removed

[willi9974]

Perfect summary!!!
At this point / time it is a real good SCAM !!!

[xoox]

Do you think you will get your miner?
I say no, lets do a bet!

Do you know the past from Mr Volker Studier?
Call him and ask him if he was ever in jail!
Ask him if he was involved in the Jansen kidnapping.

Than think again why you should trust that small company without any proof or experience in chip design, claiming to do a better miner than the major players.
They could sell it like sliced bread, but they refuse to show any proof and sell instead with very high discount.
Why do they not try to maximize their profits?

They claimed a high number of shipped units, but no unit was ever seen in the wild...
account on ebay was removed

So what do you suggest me at this point?

[yxt]

Cancel your order and request your money back!
Set a 14 day deadline!

[xoox]

Many people on the internet say that you are "scam". Why is there no evidence of any delivered miner from the internet? I just saw your post on Youtube.... and ...if you want I come in Hamburg to see the miners working.... if not I want to be refunded within next tuesday.
Best regards,
***********


This is the @ I sent to YM today  

[atmtech]

Might as well not even ask for a refund because you're never going to see it back.
Take them to court good luck there your attorney fees will be more than you could collect
Yesminers will go bankrupt faster than a ten dollar whore drops her panties on check day.

Good luck in getting your money back

[LiteCoinGuy]

Do you think you will get your miner?
I say no, lets do a bet!

Do you know the past from Mr Volker Studier?
Call him and ask him if he was ever in jail!
Ask him if he was involved in the Jansen kidnapping.

just rumors!


/s 

[suchmoon]

For fuck sake, I have been hacked. And it looks like moderator is in on it as well. Suddenly they are dead silence.
But heay, it just shows that some of the moderators are working with some of the forum members.
Im a private person and is not shilling, i'm just interested in a YM success sinces I have a bunch of money stock there.
I still do not get why people who dislike what ever can be aloud to get peoples e-mails and then hack. So in this case a moderator must have been working together with the hacker.
I give a damn if you believe its me or not, but i'm still fighting to get my account back.

I was warned by more and more big players to get out of the forum, since its runned more and more like the wild west. Sorry that the forum has become like that, but it has been fun for years to make reviews and stuff.

What do you mean "stock"? "Stuck"? I thought you have an ironclad contract and the miners are coming this week.

I was promised my first delivery next week and if I get the miners I will make an Review.

On the other hand, if you lied about how you did due diligence etc then you're very very shilly. Having your money stuck is not an excuse for trying to pull others into the scam.

[Noobita]

Do you think you will get your miner?
I say no, lets do a bet!

Do you know the past from Mr Volker Studier?
Call him and ask him if he was ever in jail!
Ask him if he was involved in the Jansen kidnapping.

Than think again why you should trust that small company without any proof or experience in chip design, claiming to do a better miner than the major players.
They could sell it like sliced bread, but they refuse to show any proof and sell instead with very high discount.
Why do they not try to maximize their profits?

They claimed a high number of shipped units, but no unit was ever seen in the wild...
account on ebay was removed

Not to defend yesminer, but from what i understood they are not the producer of the chips. The company that produced the chip to KNCminer is now selling to other companies (from what i understood, 2 more). This company is the proprietary of the design (http://www.alchip.com, correct me if i'm wrong)...AGAIN, not defending Yesminer, was just pointing out this fact.

[J4bberwock]

Do you think you will get your miner?
I say no, lets do a bet!

Do you know the past from Mr Volker Studier?
Call him and ask him if he was ever in jail!
Ask him if he was involved in the Jansen kidnapping.

Than think again why you should trust that small company without any proof or experience in chip design, claiming to do a better miner than the major players.
They could sell it like sliced bread, but they refuse to show any proof and sell instead with very high discount.
Why do they not try to maximize their profits?

They claimed a high number of shipped units, but no unit was ever seen in the wild...
account on ebay was removed

Not to defend yesminer, but from what i understood they are not the producer of the chips. The company that produced the chip to KNCminer is now selling to other companies (from what i understood, 2 more). This company is the proprietary of the design (http://www.alchip.com, correct me if i'm wrong)...AGAIN, not defending Yesminer, was just pointing out this fact.

It will need more investigation, but I wasn't aware that KNC subcontracted or bought the design of the chip.

Still, Yesminer are not doing anything to convince us they are legit, even if it should be realy easy to do since they are supposed to be shipping the units right now.
If miners were shipping since last week, we should at the very least see a few real pictures of the miners, maybe an unboxing video or  anything that could confirm they shipped something to a customer.

So the rule of "scammers until proven legit" still applies until they run away with the money they were able to collect.



On a side note, as far as I can tell, Xircom, before the password change was the same guy who ordered from me in 2015, got a MAT excalibur hashing board fixed by me, and exchanged a few emails with me about different projects back in september.

And I trust him when he says he wired them a large amount for miners.

It doesn't make Yesminer legit or trustworthy at all.

I just hope he wasn't scammed like others or he'll be able to get his money back.

[Nessus]

I am starting to lean toward this whole yesminer thing being a scam as well. I have been emailing them asking for any kinds of pictures or documentation with recent dates on them to confirm that these units even exist, and their yesminer rep simply refuses. I told him that I would be more than willing to try a product out and if it ran as spec'ed I would pay him the full asking price + buy numerous additional units from him. The only reason I would even ask is because I am backed by 150 year old company and trust is everything to us. Also I mentioned that their whole M20 manufacturing operation has little to no details or info publicly available. Their registered address is for a Starbucks in Berlin. When I mentioned that Yesminer has a lot of scandalous rumors with little to no evidence of unit production, their rep stated, "you can check all pictures in our store, and of course all videos in our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzO4G1XrKqDT96WGTLtlIig

Many people talking about funny stuff in the forums, but nobody have ordered any miner yet. We do not care about all that trolling people."

I deal with a lot of manufacturing companies and this is the first that has ever used "trolling" or any variation of that word, meaning that have little to no profession etiquette. Makes me thing that this is a scam even more. If these things are in fact true, they would be amazing, but I don't see how a extremely small manufacturing company has a product that is leaps and bounds ahead of some of the major manufacturers (BITMAIN Spondooliestech).

If this is true, I'll be the first to bite at the deal.

[xoox]

Ok, I've sent a total refund request to YM giving a deadline of six working days, after which If they'll take time or other things I will start a legal action against them.
Seeya!

[Darwin84]

I don't mean to kick you when you're down but even 1 minute more spent on this is a waste of your time.  You don't take legal action against a scammer. There is no legal action to take. Its like trying to sue someone who lives on the street. It can't be done and even if you were to obtain some judgment against a specific name - there is nothing or no one to ever collect. You couldn't pull this off in the business world let alone a BTC world.  All you can do is spread the word but don't waste your time with anything else.

[Darwin84]

lol lol lol

im sorry to laugh but I just viewed the youtube videos for the first time.

you can close the thread off as it is official now its a scam. anyone stupid enough to fall for those "whatevers" certainly deserves to lose their money.

those weren't even believable as miners. I would have perhaps spent $100 as a experimental PC case but thousands believing that was a miner is just ridiculous.

****

- Comments closed off ?  they were already prepared for the scam alert warnings

- the fancy set ?   why ? a company like this would show in lab pics and would never spend extra
money or time on a set that looks like a TV commercial. that's phase 3

- no humans / no voice / no noise / no hands / no identifiable information

- a pathetic set , a sprayed painted piece of folded metal with home depot rivets, a laptop and a 4 in LCD screen clearly hooked to nothing.


THIS IS ALL THE WORK OF 1 MAN.

Sorry guys but if you fell for this you're a fkn idiot.  That case with LCD is a hackaday sunday project.

[alfacro]

Many people on the internet say that you are "scam". Why is there no evidence of any delivered miner from the internet? I just saw your post on Youtube.... and ...if you want I come in Hamburg to see the miners working.... if not I want to be refunded within next tuesday.
Best regards,
***********


This is the @ I sent to YM today  

Did you get a response from Yesminers?

[Searing]

Many people on the internet say that you are "scam". Why is there no evidence of any delivered miner from the internet? I just saw your post on Youtube.... and ...if you want I come in Hamburg to see the miners working.... if not I want to be refunded within next tuesday.
Best regards,
***********


This is the @ I sent to YM today  

Did you get a response from Yesminers?

Sorry for folk's loss here....but they did say Jan 2016 and this is the last day. That's all she wrote folks

.....

again sorry for your loss....I got scam'd by BFL in 2013..did by 'luck' get a refund (3 week window 1 year 20 days later to try and stop FTC coming..it did not work...and refunds stopped)

so yeah....been there...hopefully someone can 'track this guy down' and you can get your btc back ......

[xoox]

Many people on the internet say that you are "scam". Why is there no evidence of any delivered miner from the internet? I just saw your post on Youtube.... and ...if you want I come in Hamburg to see the miners working.... if not I want to be refunded within next tuesday.
Best regards,
***********


This is the @ I sent to YM today  

Did you get a response from Yesminers?

YesMiners
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A: '**************'
Support@YesMiners.com

Dear **********,

I have forwarded your request to our accounting which will proceed your refund soon. When it is done, you will get a message. But please note that it will take a few days.

Best regards, Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Peter C. Winkler
YesMiners Customer Support
Support@YesMiners.com

YesMiners

This is the answer.

[J4bberwock]

I did a quick google translate of the german forum regarding YM, and it seems they have way more informations there, speaking of potential bankrupcy, deliberate fraudulent actions from the owner, and maybe company having been sold t someone else.

Too much for me to read since I never learned German, so if someone who understand german could make an update in english, I believe those who sent some money there would appreciate.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138601.1480

[Darwin84]

I did a quick google translate of the german forum regarding YM, and it seems they have way more informations there, speaking of potential bankrupcy, deliberate fraudulent actions from the owner, and maybe company having been sold t someone else.

Too much for me to read since I never learned German, so if someone who understand german could make an update in english, I believe those who sent some money there would appreciate.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1138601.1480

Its a scam. Its over.  You do not accept excuses from people scamming. He could have told you his dog died. These are the typical winding downs of a scam.  Please stop leading people on with excuses and potential reasons for YM to not deliver. It's a freaking scam and you are just playing with people and making excuses.

There is no accounting dept

There is no peter winkler

For the last time YM is a scam by one person..  Fake ebay, fake youtube videos showing nothing but a 3 piece set. Fake invoices, fake website, fake technology 20ths miners that run on 1 watt ... Please let's not have another desperate user fall for this.

Next week we are going to have someone reply with tracking number for a box headed to west africa.