Yesminer M20 / M10

[Finksy]

And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

Not true, at least not in the US. I've been on both ends of this and CC chargebacks on PayPal payments go through just fine.

Also not true in the EU

Do you have any experience of that or are you just saying that? I have a case with a bank / Visa where they explicitly state that a payment with their card via Paypal is NOT covered by a Visa protection scheme.

I think this is referring to Section 75. We are talking about chargebacks.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/jan/20/section-75-chargeback

Its not, its a screenshot from a letter from my bank exactly in relation to charging back or disputing a scammed transaction paid on a visa debit card via Paypal.

They are talking about Credit Card issuers, you are talking about a bank.  Visa debits are not true credit cards, they are issued by the bank and simply support payment via Visa.  True credit card issuers are willing to go to bat for you even with PayPal involved, banks not so much. I had a fraudulent purchase through paypal a while ago when dealing with my bank, and they took the same stance as yours after the time window was surpassed for a claim. Now I only pay with CC's through PayPal if possible.

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[Darwin84]

It looks like this turned out to be a BS thread about paypal and chargebacks. but staying on topic did anyone actually move forward with yesminers in terms of legal action or recovery ?

[Xircom]

Yes, I did and German police is investigating. At the moment the case is at the Hamburg Stats procecutor.
Im waiting for News from him. The Fidor bank has been contacted by German police.

[Searing]

It looks like this turned out to be a BS thread about paypal and chargebacks. but staying on topic did anyone actually move forward with yesminers in terms of legal action or recovery ?

to be fair again you COULD get a payback MAYBE but ONLY if actual Equipment Exists or a bank account etc  ...but the places I did get so DID actually have equipment ....not sure any way to do so with these guys in that all was simply fairydust and dreams.....just to clarify.......amex and/or paypal HAS to have a bank or something to get the $$$ back from

this really does not work worth a damn with yesminers etc and is true on wire xfers from banks and/or bitcoin or other crypto...no way back imho with only those options

and again ..even with my above 'getting amex' to get some $$$ back after PAYPAL 45 day expiration all your ducks really have to line up in a row after the paypal 45 days expire or you will be rejected...and again I lost the first dispute with alpha tech ...it was them lying I got product on their docs that got me the refund...just saying

anyway just to be clear ..rare ..but possible if the equip or mnfg just failed to make the equipment (but tried) a real scam like this with NO attempt..no bank no paypal no cc..much much tougher

as to the 'voucher' thing on yesminers and ebay ...also possible ..but likely as soon as the first few were honored as refunds by ebay...they likely used a fake name but to sell
them vouchers they had to have something like a bank or checking account ...so if you were one of the few to be first to yell scam...you could have got lucky....

and just emptied the bank account and left....anyway how that might have worked if a refund was given....(ie paypal and cc companies can get reversals if bank account exists big

if and they are NOT terribly motivated to do so...)

anyway for clarity on the sidetrack into amex/paypal/cc refunds RARE that they are possible ..but something has to exist in the real world or you have NO angle at all

[Randywhorton]

Seems the YESMINER folks have vanished!
Site down and gone!

[Xircom]

They are and they better be hiding very well.
The German police is on the case and the same is my lawyers.

[Darwin84]

Xircom you still pumping this shit. all I got from the yesminer ordeal is that the german police should be investigating your and your lawyers.

[Xircom]

Think what ever you want. My case against those guys is rolling.

[italianconsul]

Hi all. I realy dont understand why my post was deleted like a offtopic! Maby scamers was reported ?

I am looking for people who fall for these scams. All who translated the personal bank accounts of money this LTD or personal, please contact me via private message. I have something to offer you! let's help ourself

any personal infro needed. Adress, any personal info, e.t.c


Please contact me and leave your contact details, Phone, Email, other messenger. I will provide more details

standard methods and the police will not help

Dont delete this message, I didn't whant to spam in PM to all people in this topic.

[notlist3d]

Hi all. I realy dont understand why my post was deleted like a offtopic! Maby scamers was reported ?

I am looking for people who fall for these scams. All who translated the personal bank accounts of money this LTD or personal, please contact me via private message. I have something to offer you! let's help ourself

any personal infro needed. Adress, any personal info, e.t.c


Please contact me and leave your contact details, Phone, Email, other messenger. I will provide more details

standard methods and the police will not help

Dont delete this message, I didn't whant to spam in PM to all people in this topic.

I doubt you get people to give you their  personal info.  You just are still pretty low activity and not enough rep to really get that kinda trust.  Also big thing you don't mention what your doing with info... saying your trying to help others out.  One would ask how are you going to help them? If you have a lawyer you could post many supporting documents.

But to mention bank accounts and personal info... a lot will right you off as a scam right away.

[italianconsul]

Hi all. I realy dont understand why my post was deleted like a offtopic! Maby scamers was reported ?

I am looking for people who fall for these scams. All who translated the personal bank accounts of money this LTD or personal, please contact me via private message. I have something to offer you! let's help ourself

any personal infro needed. Adress, any personal info, e.t.c


Please contact me and leave your contact details, Phone, Email, other messenger. I will provide more details

standard methods and the police will not help

Dont delete this message, I didn't whant to spam in PM to all people in this topic.

I doubt you get people to give you their  personal info.  You just are still pretty low activity and not enough rep to really get that kinda trust.  Also big thing you don't mention what your doing with info... saying your trying to help others out.  One would ask how are you going to help them? If you have a lawyer you could post many supporting documents.

But to mention bank accounts and personal info... a lot will right you off as a scam right away.

Thank you for reply.
Im realy understand you. But one little think, I provide all info about me and methods in personal discussion. Not in public case.
No problem, I Don't ask to give me all right now without trust. We can talk, can discuss all the things. In real life or by phone/messanger. Im didnt hide
Lawyer didnt help to anyone...dont lie to yourself.

[notlist3d]

Hi all. I realy dont understand why my post was deleted like a offtopic! Maby scamers was reported ?

I am looking for people who fall for these scams. All who translated the personal bank accounts of money this LTD or personal, please contact me via private message. I have something to offer you! let's help ourself

any personal infro needed. Adress, any personal info, e.t.c


Please contact me and leave your contact details, Phone, Email, other messenger. I will provide more details

standard methods and the police will not help

Dont delete this message, I didn't whant to spam in PM to all people in this topic.

I doubt you get people to give you their  personal info.  You just are still pretty low activity and not enough rep to really get that kinda trust.  Also big thing you don't mention what your doing with info... saying your trying to help others out.  One would ask how are you going to help them? If you have a lawyer you could post many supporting documents.

But to mention bank accounts and personal info... a lot will right you off as a scam right away.

Thank you for reply.
Im realy understand you. But one little think, I provide all info about me and methods in personal discussion. Not in public case.
No problem, I Don't ask to give me all right now without trust. We can talk, can discuss all the things. In real life or by phone/messanger. Im didnt hide
Lawyer didnt help to anyone...dont lie to yourself.

I have not followed this one closely but if you lost a lot to them... I would personally go for a lawyer.  I don't see why this is a lie, it might still be hard to get back but at least you tried.

If your not perusing them legally how are you helping people that lost money to them?  I don't see what you can do with taking peoples info... thats going to help if your not going through some court system.

Maybe you could explain you can help? As I just don't see how getting peoples personal info given to you helps at all.

[BitcoinjunkieZ]

YESMINERS? WHERE U AT?!

[QuintLeo]

Probably hiding from the lawyers of all the folks their blatant obvious scam ripped off.
I wish people would let this thead DIE.

[elrippo]

Probably hiding from the lawyers of all the folks their blatant obvious scam ripped off.
I wish people would let this thead DIE.

Nope, this should be a warning sign for all others buying cupouns and paying in front, good lesson for learning. One guy, in the german thread, lost 35k€, i think he learned and burned 

[italianconsul]

Probably hiding from the lawyers of all the folks their blatant obvious scam ripped off.
I wish people would let this thead DIE.

Nope, this should be a warning sign for all others buying cupouns and paying in front, good lesson for learning. One guy, in the german thread, lost 35k€, i think he learned and burned  

I know one guy personaly he lost in 5 times more
And I know existing people who lost more than 300k.
people with such money even didnt write here

35k not the record.

Lawyers lawyers. Sorry guys but you didnt understand one thing.

let I will explain how it is with your lawyers.
Firstly do not forget, he has more money than you. And accordingly he may hire a lawyer is much better. And in the economic
crimes 99% solve lawyer, and yes, in Germany there CORUPTION at a very high level. as an everywhere. These tales leave children.

Second, well, all together they have filed a complaint with the Court of Justice. Good. All with their lawyers. Good
Suppose you win the case, for example, found him guilty of ... let's say. Okay, and then what?
If he is not a fool, but he's no fool - money he will not return.
Passwords on Bitcoins or cash carefully hide from everyone.
Well, fine, put him in jail. How much? 3-5 years? maximum 8. For good behavior, it will be 4-5 years.
Excellent. You know that the German prison is a 3 star hotel?
 chooses his solitary confinement or general, smoking or non-smoking room. And you sit in peace in prison developing a new plan how to deceive people. Go free after 5 years and has a lot of money. that's all. applause.

Ask yourself a few-million you would have sat in a 3 star hotel a couple of years? Of course yes.
German prisons are not Russian, not American. he knows it

So I painted all here who are interested in what I can offer to email me personally!

[elrippo]

Probably hiding from the lawyers of all the folks their blatant obvious scam ripped off.
I wish people would let this thead DIE.

Nope, this should be a warning sign for all others buying cupouns and paying in front, good lesson for learning. One guy, in the german thread, lost 35k€, i think he learned and burned  

I know one guy personaly he lost in 5 times more
And I know existing people who lost more than 300k.
people with such money even didnt write here

35k not the record.

Lawyers lawyers. Sorry guys but you didnt understand one thing.

let I will explain how it is with your lawyers.
Firstly do not forget, he has more money than you. And accordingly he may hire a lawyer is much better. And in the economic
crimes 99% solve lawyer, and yes, in Germany there CORUPTION at a very high level. as an everywhere. These tales leave children.

Second, well, all together they have filed a complaint with the Court of Justice. Good. All with their lawyers. Good
Suppose you win the case, for example, found him guilty of ... let's say. Okay, and then what?
If he is not a fool, but he's no fool - money he will not return.
Passwords on Bitcoins or cash carefully hide from everyone.
Well, fine, put him in jail. How much? 3-5 years? maximum 8. For good behavior, it will be 4-5 years.
Excellent. You know that the German prison is a 3 star hotel?
 chooses his solitary confinement or general, smoking or non-smoking room. And you sit in peace in prison developing a new plan how to deceive people. Go free after 5 years and has a lot of money. that's all. applause.

Ask yourself a few-million you would have sat in a 3 star hotel a couple of years? Of course yes.
German prisons are not Russian, not American. he knows it

So I painted all here who are interested in what I can offer to email me personally!

May all be true, but if you are greedy you will get burned and that happened to a few ladies and gents. We all warned the people, they didn't listen and even if this guy goes to jail, and everybody knows who he is and maybe where he lives, i suppose, not many will charge him, maybe 1%.

So what ever you are offering, i personally am not intersted in any kind, i hope you do not get jailed for what ever you are doing....

[Searing]

The catch is if he did this under a fake name etc he will never be identified thus never caught



(Unless I missed that and folk know who it is)

Thus no identity no law enforcement and he can use $$$$ to

Rinse/wash/repeat into his next scam 😒

Again hope I'm wrong.

[notlist3d]

Probably hiding from the lawyers of all the folks their blatant obvious scam ripped off.
I wish people would let this thead DIE.

Nope, this should be a warning sign for all others buying cupouns and paying in front, good lesson for learning. One guy, in the german thread, lost 35k€, i think he learned and burned  

I know one guy personaly he lost in 5 times more
And I know existing people who lost more than 300k.
people with such money even didnt write here

35k not the record.

Lawyers lawyers. Sorry guys but you didnt understand one thing.

let I will explain how it is with your lawyers.
Firstly do not forget, he has more money than you. And accordingly he may hire a lawyer is much better. And in the economic
crimes 99% solve lawyer, and yes, in Germany there CORUPTION at a very high level. as an everywhere. These tales leave children.

Second, well, all together they have filed a complaint with the Court of Justice. Good. All with their lawyers. Good
Suppose you win the case, for example, found him guilty of ... let's say. Okay, and then what?
If he is not a fool, but he's no fool - money he will not return.
Passwords on Bitcoins or cash carefully hide from everyone.
Well, fine, put him in jail. How much? 3-5 years? maximum 8. For good behavior, it will be 4-5 years.
Excellent. You know that the German prison is a 3 star hotel?
 chooses his solitary confinement or general, smoking or non-smoking room. And you sit in peace in prison developing a new plan how to deceive people. Go free after 5 years and has a lot of money. that's all. applause.

Ask yourself a few-million you would have sat in a 3 star hotel a couple of years? Of course yes.
German prisons are not Russian, not American. he knows it

So I painted all here who are interested in what I can offer to email me personally!

I still don't get what you are able to offer.   You don't want lawyers, and don't want Court's it sounds like.   But you want peoples info who lost to them (which I did not just for record).   But what can you do to help these people who lost by getting their info?

I'm just not seeing what you "offer" these people.  I know it's sad but I think they are not getting money back it was a scam.   And I don't see how you having someones info helps in anyway though.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

The only possible information I would ever pass onto an offer like this would be if I used BTC. That info would be:
Yesminers receiving wallet that the BTC was sent to, how much, and date/time of the transaction. Aside from that payment information, only quan/type of miners paid for. Don't even need my name.

Being an open ledger BTCflow into and out of an wallet can be fairly easily tracked ad-infinitum including obviously where coins moved/spent out of the receiving wallet go. The hardest part is linking ownership of the various receiving wallets to where/who the coins eventually go to and accumulate.