The 2.0 throwdown thread

[jwinterm]

There is also this game currently being made, which will run on the NXT platform.
I think that would count as another DAPP.
http://voxelnauts.com/

The word "NXT" doesn't appear even once on that page. How is it running on NXT platform exactly?

[Irontiga]

Hmm, great, the table looks great.

Burst has got encrypted messaging. Post ur address and i'll send you one ;P

[riceberry]

There is also this game currently being made, which will run on the NXT platform.
I think that would count as another DAPP.
http://voxelnauts.com/

The word "NXT" doesn't appear even once on that page. How is it running on NXT platform exactly?

Voxelnauts is a sandbox MMO that will use Nxt as an "economy engine" for its universe.

Here are some other links:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114443/voxelnauts-a-minecraft-inspired-game-with-nxt-backed-property-rights-and-drm
https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/voxelnauts-mmo-economy-to-be-powered-by-nxt/
http://upstart.bizjournals.com/companies/rebel-brands/2015/06/08/a-new-breed-of-video-games-will-let-users-spend.html

And regarding the 'failed' kickstarter campaign: http://forums.voxelnauts.com/index.php?threads/thank-you-backers-but-our-funding-is-in-another-castle.103/

[jwinterm]

Hmm, great, the table looks great.

Burst has got encrypted messaging. Post ur address and i'll send you one ;P

BURST-M3N7-HEGB-JC3X-HASCY

[jwinterm]

Updated again. Table is getting big, gonna need to find another way to generate image soon o_O

Lots of question marks now. Any help getting them filled in much appreciated

[Sebastien256]

There is also this game currently being made, which will run on the NXT platform.
I think that would count as another DAPP.
http://voxelnauts.com/

This is not a dapps. It is a normal app that will use the Nxt blockchain. The voxelnauts game is not p2p.

However, since voxelnault is probably the biggest "third party" project using Nxt blockchain to date, I think it might be nice to add a section for project that will uses the blockchain in question. This would be to differentiate between decentralized apps and normal apps.

If possible, maybe listing the various project with a dot like list, it would be more easy to read.
I would also add "(p2p)" rigth after the "decentralized apps" label so that it clear that decentralized apps are p2p.

[Irontiga]

Should make an article on wikipedia...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article

[SBOSS]

Maybe a category for public developer? 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg12161462#msg12161462
NEM's core developer is Makoto Takemiya, a computational neuroscientist.  I think Bitshares, CounterParty and Ethereum are public too.  The rest are private / anonymous.

[yassin54]

wooooow Very nice @jwinterm 

[Brangdon]

"Block target time" is pretty meaningless. Nxt may target 1 minute, but it doesn't achieve it. Why not show the measured average block time instead? For Nxt this is about 1.8 minutes, or 104 seconds per block. For 10 confirmations you can expect to wait 18 minutes on average.

(Block 493582 was just before midnight on the 9th August, and block 499047 was just before midnight on the 16th, so 5866 blocks that week or 781 blocks a day over that period. I think that's pretty typical.)

(The reason the block-time is longer than was hoped is known. It's a coding issue that the devs apparently don't want to fix for now, because of transparent forging or whatever. If ever they do fix it, update the table then.)

(Sometimes the Nxt block time is vastly longer. I don't know how you'd capture that variance in the chart, but it's may be a concern if you are trying to base a business on Nxt.)

[jwinterm]

Thanks for ideas and input Sebastien256, SBOSS, Irontiga, and Brangdon.

Also, thanks for message Irontiga I actually have one wikipedia article to my name already, so this would be #2 if I try to set it up there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Cecil_Jaffe

I'll try and update some more this evening or tomorrow...I want to try to figure out how to incorporate Ether's Gas concept versus just paying tx fees for other coins/platforms, but I need to read a bit more about it myself first.

[HCLivess]

Thank you!

[Passion_ltc]

There is also this game currently being made, which will run on the NXT platform.
I think that would count as another DAPP.
http://voxelnauts.com/

The word "NXT" doesn't appear even once on that page. How is it running on NXT platform exactly?

For me it's an application utilizing some Nxt functionalities. It's not a decentralized application as the definition allows it. (Running on several nodes, unstoppable, can-be-trustless..)

[Sebastien256]

There is also this game currently being made, which will run on the NXT platform.
I think that would count as another DAPP.
http://voxelnauts.com/

The word "NXT" doesn't appear even once on that page. How is it running on NXT platform exactly?

For me it's an application utilizing some Nxt functionalities. It's not a decentralized application as the definition allows it. (Running on several nodes, unstoppable, can-be-trustless..)

Yes, you are right Passion_ltc, voxelnaults is not p2p application, I already have mention the issue a few posts up.

Nevertheless, it is good to see what kind of projects that are build over/and/or use 2.0 blockchain functionnality, especially of the span of voxelnaults. I have suggest to jwinterm to add another category where normal apps that use 2.0 blockchain functionnality may be list. This will avoid any confusion with true decentralized p2p apps (dapps).

Edit: @jwinterm, for a label, I would add the category "Applications using 2.0 blockchain functionnality". I also think 1.0 non-decentralized blockchain application are not of interest in this topic (e.g. exchange, gambling site, etc...).

[Jean-Luc]

Maybe a category for public developer?

In the current political and legal environment, being public puts both the developer, and the project, at risk.

A financially independent, anonymous developer, can afford to do what he believes is right. There is less risk that he may be put under duress, have his kids or wife kidnapped, be forced to do something against his will by a totalitarian government (and put under a gag order about it), or receive a friendly visit from the local mobsters. Or be subject to a targeted access operation by a three-letter agency. Being open source (and in the case of Nxt, even GPL), the project will survive and someone else will take over, even if the anonymous developer decides to leave at some point. We are talking about established cryptocurrency projects here, not assets where indeed an anonymous asset issuer can decide to disappear with the shareholders' funds. Being public or anonymous does not make it more or less likely that a developer would leave the project, Nxt has seen a few public developers leave, and then new ones join (and even though anonymous, I am still around).

A public developer, funded by VC investments, must ultimately do what the VC's tell him. Being very profit oriented, some VCs will just run a company to the ground for the short term profit, and they couldn't care less about the cryptocurrency movement goals of decentralization, financial independence, being in control of your own money and investments, not having to trust third parties, etc. A public developer may need to do what is politically correct, rather than what is morally correct, or risk jeopardizing his future career.

Back on topic, I think we should limit this to an objective comparison of the technical characteristics of the 2.0 platforms, existing or being currently worked on.

[jwinterm]

Maybe a category for public developer?

In the current political and legal environment...

I agree with much of what you said, but if a public developer/founder is a possibly influential and objective aspect of a project, then why not include a row about the founder and current development team?

[SISAR]

Crypti (XCR) transaction cost is 0.1% and it has unique feature which is Avatars, user can assign an image to his account.

BTW, this is very useful thread. I've never found enough time to check all those coins myself so big thanks!

[Sebastien256]

it has unique feature which is Avatars, user can assign an image to his account.

I proposed an additional category. Many 2.0 platform has unique features, such as this one. The feature that are unique to each blockchain could be put in a list with a category name "Additional unique core features" or something like that. Doing so would take less space in the chart.

For example, Nxt also has the core feature Monetary System, which I believe is unique to Nxt.
http://nxt.org/about/monetary-system/

[Jean-Luc]

If you want to go into details about each team, fine, I just wanted to explain why anonymity should not be taken as a negative point. Actually, of the currently active Nxt developers I am the only one that is anonymous, see AUTHORS.txt for the full list: https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/src/369546f91ba32142562c18d224369ea64a3f0720/AUTHORS.txt?at=master

And if we start comparing developers' credentials, I did get my PhD from one of the top universities in my field (which is not computer science though), more than 15 years ago.

[SISAR]

it has unique feature which is Avatars, user can assign an image to his account.

I proposed an additional category. Many 2.0 platform has unique features, such as this one. The feature that are unique to each blockchain could be put in a list with a category name "Additional unique core features" or something like that. Doing so would take less space in the chart.

For example, Nxt also has the core feature Monetary system, which I believe is unique to Nxt.
http://nxt.org/about/monetary-system/

Yes, that would help even more. Even if someone is full-time into cryptos there is so much going on it is hard to follow everything so a complete comparison table would be kickass.

If you want to go into details about each team, fine, I just wanted to explain why anonymity should not be taken as a negative point. Actually, of the currently active Nxt developers I am the only one that is anonymous, see AUTHORS.txt for the full list: https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/src/369546f91ba32142562c18d224369ea64a3f0720/AUTHORS.txt?at=master

And if we start comparing developers' credentials, I did get my PhD from one of the top universities in my field (which is not computer science though), more than 15 years ago.

Let's not forget Satoshi Nakamoto is still anon, not much negative effect on Bitcoin, right? I prefer anon devs over known ones, later ones are too easy targets and that is not good at cryptospace. Just wait until cryptos eventualy become the real deal (mass adoption), I can already see most known developers being kidnaped or blackmailed on a weekly basis.