Suicide

[pitham1]

Lack of understanding in how the brain operates in a depressed state. People do not snap out of it like a hypnotist ending a act.

Suicidal tendencies are usually impulsive. If the moment passes, many people would have resumed their normal lives.

[jayce]

How about a prisoner who get death sentence, and right before the execution, he does suicide to avoid that execution. Is that a wrong thing then since he just advancing his death?

[PaoloSerBit]

He may feel that thanks to committing suicide he chooses the exact moment he dies and that he somehow free himself from the influence of others  in the last moments of his life

[ummina]

may be cause this too Not suicide, not euthanasia

Jains are particularly offended by the comparisons drawn between Santhara, suicide and euthanasia.

“People commit suicide when they are fed up with the world or are deeply disturbed mentally,” said Raju Vaiyavach, a Jain businessman from Mumbai. “But taking Santhara required tremendous inner strength. It is about uniting with one’s antaraatma [inner soul], it is not about dying.”

In his petition against Santhara, Nikhil Soni had also invoked the Supreme Court’s 2011 judgement in the Aruna Shanbaug case, which legalised passive euthanasia but emphasised that active euthanasia or assisted suicide is illegal. If such euthanasia could not be allowed, Soni argued, Santhara too could not be legal.

But Dhanwant Shah, president of Mumbai’s Jain Yuvak Sangh, believes there is a fine distinction between the two. “The aim of euthanasia is to be free from misery, which is a desire. Santhara is about the end of all desire.”

[panju1]

How about a prisoner who get death sentence, and right before the execution, he does suicide to avoid that execution. Is that a wrong thing then since he just advancing his death?

Death row prisoners are usually closely guarded. Any harm to them would result in blame being pinned on the prison guards.
But technically, it wouldn't matter.

[Santoso]

That is just too scary  . I just still don't understand why people decide to commit suicide for any reason. Every problem has solution how stressful or depressing it is 
Just be positive and keep faith that everything happens for a reason. A good reason.
I am against suicide. Moreover such a suicide bombing. It's just like one person who has a problem with his only life but tens of people are "forced" to feel the same. Something like that

[popcorn1]

That is just too scary  . I just still don't understand why people decide to commit suicide for any reason. Every problem has solution how stressful or depressing it is 
Just be positive and keep faith that everything happens for a reason. A good reason.
I am against suicide. Moreover such a suicide bombing. It's just like one person who has a problem with his only life but tens of people are "forced" to feel the same. Something like that

suicide can take many forms most bad but some needed
got to be in a dark place to do it..and no not at night in your mind

the worst suicide is if you don.t check a coin out called R3D COIN it a must to own if you don.t check it out
you will kill yourself for missing it 

go check wont hurt to look R3D COIN

[wxa7115]

It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

[jayce]

How about a prisoner who get death sentence, and right before the execution, he does suicide to avoid that execution. Is that a wrong thing then since he just advancing his death?

Death row prisoners are usually closely guarded. Any harm to them would result in blame being pinned on the prison guards.
But technically, it wouldn't matter.

I got an article about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Johnson_(criminal)
Yeah, I think it wouldn't matter, which he just quickened his death sentence. But be executed is better than suicide imo

[pitham1]

It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

If they are determined, they can commit suicide.
But if it becomes illegal, it might deter a few.

[pinball8]

what going on there?
i believe there is manipulator on this situation and take profit from this accident.
the government should search more about this.

[freeyourmind]

It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

If they are determined, they can commit suicide.
But if it becomes illegal, it might deter a few.

I'd be interested to know whether law/policy impacts behaviour in the way we think it would.

If I look at drug policy, Canada and USA have 12-13% marijuana users, where it is illegal...not even decriminalized with the exception of Colorado and Washington.  This can bring potentially harsh penalties including prison.

Then you have a place like the Netherlands, where they have about 5% usage, and there is no legal punishment at all.

There is more to encouraging and discouraging behaviour in society outside of policy/law enforcement.

[BADecker]

It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

If they are determined, they can commit suicide.
But if it becomes illegal, it might deter a few.

I'd be interested to know whether law/policy impacts behaviour in the way we think it would.

If I look at drug policy, Canada and USA have 12-13% marijuana users, where it is illegal...not even decriminalized with the exception of Colorado and Washington.  This can bring potentially harsh penalties including prison.

Then you have a place like the Netherlands, where they have about 5% usage, and there is no legal punishment at all.

There is more to encouraging and discouraging behaviour in society outside of policy/law enforcement.

Remember. To accurately think along these lines regarding Colorado and Washington, it is still federally illegal there, with the feds doing something about it at times.

[freeyourmind]

It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

If they are determined, they can commit suicide.
But if it becomes illegal, it might deter a few.

I'd be interested to know whether law/policy impacts behaviour in the way we think it would.

If I look at drug policy, Canada and USA have 12-13% marijuana users, where it is illegal...not even decriminalized with the exception of Colorado and Washington.  This can bring potentially harsh penalties including prison.

Then you have a place like the Netherlands, where they have about 5% usage, and there is no legal punishment at all.

There is more to encouraging and discouraging behaviour in society outside of policy/law enforcement.

Remember. To accurately think along these lines regarding Colorado and Washington, it is still federally illegal there, with the feds doing something about it at times.

Yeah you're right about that.  Regardless, the point I was making is that making something illegal doesn't necessarily cause people to stop doing it.

[wxa7115]

It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

If they are determined, they can commit suicide.
But if it becomes illegal, it might deter a few.

I'd be interested to know whether law/policy impacts behaviour in the way we think it would.

If I look at drug policy, Canada and USA have 12-13% marijuana users, where it is illegal...not even decriminalized with the exception of Colorado and Washington.  This can bring potentially harsh penalties including prison.

Then you have a place like the Netherlands, where they have about 5% usage, and there is no legal punishment at all.

There is more to encouraging and discouraging behaviour in society outside of policy/law enforcement.

There is something called the law of unintended consequences. Basically states that every time you do something, outcomes that you do not expect may come to happen.

In the topic at hand, we have a law which was passed that made a particular religious practice illegal by making it the equivalent of suicide.

While it’s obvious that this ruling was made in order to try to avoid suicides, it’s possible that a perverse result gets to happen. Instead of people avoiding suicide you may have people opting to use a knife or a gun.

So instead of a decline of suicides you may get the opposite effect.

[klf]

I don't think legalizing or not of suicide would make much of a difference in the number of people who actually go through with it. Those who really want to go through with it don't give a crap about the law.

[valvalis]

I had a friend who had tried to commit suicide. She told me about why she decided to commit suicide. She felt very lonely and feel no one can help overcome the problems she faces. So I think we should always be kind to everyone and try to help anyone who needs help. We might have prevented someone to commit suicide by being nice.

[panju1]

I don't think legalizing or not of suicide would make much of a difference in the number of people who actually go through with it. Those who really want to go through with it don't give a crap about the law.

Their response can be - So sue me once I am dead. 

[pitham1]

This is the Jains' view on Santhara.
Makes for interesting reading.

Suicide is a desperate measure, triggered by failure and setbacks in life; it is an act of cowardice, a surrender to the circumstance because of lack of will power. It is a decision forced upon the person by external circumstances. According to the Jains, Santhara is the exact opposite of this.

In one of his discourses, Osho Rajneesh had tried to differentiate between death as a spiritual discipline and suicide. "Mahavira says, 'Go on a fast, and die of hunger.' It takes ninety days for a normal, healthy person to die of hunger. If he is weak in resolve--even a little bit--the desire for food will return the next day... If Mahavira had given the permission to die by taking poison, drowning in a river, jumping off a mountain, it would have been a matter of instant death. But a warrior good for showing only a moment's bravery is of no use in the battlefield, because he will become a coward the next moment...So Mahavira has given permission to commit santhara, causing death to oneself as a spiritual discipline."

[freeyourmind]

It's impossible to stop people of offing themselves. What are they going to do, force feed him? And even if they do that. He can stop eating and the cycle begins all over again.

If they are determined, they can commit suicide.
But if it becomes illegal, it might deter a few.

I'd be interested to know whether law/policy impacts behaviour in the way we think it would.

If I look at drug policy, Canada and USA have 12-13% marijuana users, where it is illegal...not even decriminalized with the exception of Colorado and Washington.  This can bring potentially harsh penalties including prison.

Then you have a place like the Netherlands, where they have about 5% usage, and there is no legal punishment at all.

There is more to encouraging and discouraging behaviour in society outside of policy/law enforcement.

There is something called the law of unintended consequences. Basically states that every time you do something, outcomes that you do not expect may come to happen.

In the topic at hand, we have a law which was passed that made a particular religious practice illegal by making it the equivalent of suicide.

While it’s obvious that this ruling was made in order to try to avoid suicides, it’s possible that a perverse result gets to happen. Instead of people avoiding suicide you may have people opting to use a knife or a gun.

So instead of a decline of suicides you may get the opposite effect.

I'm not sure if the consequence is unintended.  I don't think that the primary reason for strict drug policy is to decrease drug use in society.  It was threatening industries like alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceutical, cotton, petroleum based products, etc.  It also allowed law enforcement to put minorities in prison.  The same idiot that primed alcohol prohibition eventually failed and then moved onto drugs (Henry Anslinger).

In the same way, if the government wants to minimize suicides, then they need to address the main issue, which is  - what is deteriorating the mental health of people in today's society and how can we help them?  If the best we can do is say "that's illegal dude", it's not really addressing anything.  Suicide is still taboo topic in North America and is not discussed.  Suicide is not even reported in the media.  When I used to take the subway to work, and someone would jump in front of the train, there would be an announcement saying that there is a delay due to "signalling issues".  We can't keep treating people like retarded children and expect a positive change.