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May 21, 2017, 02:08:49 PM
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How do Maidsafe and Shift differ a lot? I am not well versed in the technical details, but on the surface Shift sounds like an interesting project.

The Maidsafe website talks about files being split into parts and distributed throughout the network, Shift talks about 101 delegates - are files also split into parts like Maidsafe?

Why is there a limit of 101 delegates? - does Maidsafe also have such a limit? It seems having the files spread across more hosts would be more secure.

I am also wondering, does shift have it's own associated domain suffix? Is there a way that the use of a DNS is not required?

Sorry for potentially naive questions, perhaps they have been already answered but this is quite a large thread.




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May 21, 2017, 04:48:19 PM
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How do Maidsafe and Shift differ a lot? I am not well versed in the technical details, but on the surface Shift sounds like an interesting project.

The Maidsafe website talks about files being split into parts and distributed throughout the network, Shift talks about 101 delegates - are files also split into parts like Maidsafe?

Why is there a limit of 101 delegates? - does Maidsafe also have such a limit? It seems having the files spread across more hosts would be more secure.

I am also wondering, does shift have it's own associated domain suffix? Is there a way that the use of a DNS is not required?

Sorry for potentially naive questions, perhaps they have been already answered but this is quite a large thread.


-Shift and Maidsafe's final products will be similar I believe. Here's a quote (copy+paste) from Ralf, one of the lead devs, from the Ryver channel;

"Hi, you can't really compare the development of Maid with Shift. But you might be able to compare the results soon. Many coins/devs offer idea's, but they are way to optimistic about getting the work actually done.

I think we are running a realistic project here. Building a bridge to combine todays best web technologies into a product with endless possibilities.

IPFS is an amazing tool for p2p hosting and browsing, and so much more. Take a look at IPLD for example, great future ahead.
LISK has build a great blockchain codebase with dpos consensus, plus the ability to create sidechains for dapps. Grown really stable the last couple of months."

-I'm not sure of if files will be split up or not, but I know the intent is to decentralize web hosting, so the files will be distributed around the network.

-There is no limit on delegates, I think technically there can be any number that's uneven so you can't hit a 50/50 consensus and break off into two chains. For example, I think ARK has 51 and it's also based on the LSK DPOS system. 101 was likely chosen since that's what LSK had and it provided a good opportunity to have a lot of forging spots without being an unreachable number for Shift at the time. Not sure on how Maidsafe will run it. The 101 delegates are mainly for keeping the chain running, they will not be the only ones who can host data. Once Phantom is released I think anyone will be able to host data and earn Shift to some extent. I don't have a direct quote for this one, but I think I remember it being said in the Ryver channel.

-Not sure on this one, but I recall it being discussed in the Ryver channel at one point.
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May 21, 2017, 04:53:57 PM
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When will IPFS be ready?

Before Jun 30

Who said before June 30th?

No one knows for sure. The team is working on it and prefers to take their time and release a quality product instead of rushing it and releasing a poor product.
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May 22, 2017, 05:41:09 AM
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When will IPFS be ready?

Before Jun 30

Who said before June 30th?

No one knows for sure. The team is working on it and prefers to take their time and release a quality product instead of rushing it and releasing a poor product.

IS ALMOST READY, look at the price, they post something about it in the ryver chat, i love it, this is the most under-valuated coin of all cryptospace, i can't believe DOGE have a    $344M marketcap, and we are under $10M.
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May 23, 2017, 06:06:30 AM
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 Cool I'm in agreement about SHIFT being the most undervalued. I'd like to be a delegate but the 60 it costs would de-leverage me too much. However..if I can share my top cryptos, you might like/donate to my "delegation" funding address.  Shocked
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May 23, 2017, 06:54:33 AM
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Cool I'm in agreement about SHIFT being the most undervalued. I'd like to be a delegate but the 60 it costs would de-leverage me too much. However..if I can share my top cryptos, you might like/donate to my "delegation" funding address.  Shocked
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60 what? shift or usd?
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May 23, 2017, 08:17:57 AM
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Cool I'm in agreement about SHIFT being the most undervalued. I'd like to be a delegate but the 60 it costs would de-leverage me too much. However..if I can share my top cryptos, you might like/donate to my "delegation" funding address.  Shocked
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60 what? shift or usd?
I'm glad you ask - so if you can tell me how to post a screenshot I'll show my node.shiftnrg.online  Cool

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May 23, 2017, 08:36:21 AM
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Cool I'm in agreement about SHIFT being the most undervalued. I'd like to be a delegate but the 60 it costs would de-leverage me too much. However..if I can share my top cryptos, you might like/donate to my "delegation" funding address.  Shocked
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60 what? shift or usd?
I'm glad you ask - so if you can tell me how to post a screenshot I'll show my node.shiftnrg.online  Cool


Go to imugr, upload image then post link
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May 23, 2017, 01:47:54 PM
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I would be cautious following that link. It's not an official Shift link but has shiftnrg in it. Looks sketchy to me.

The 60 is 60 shift for delegate registration. Right now that's like $37 usd but it was $2 usd when most delegates were first registering.
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May 23, 2017, 04:11:40 PM
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I would be cautious following that link. It's not an official Shift link but has shiftnrg in it. Looks sketchy to me.

The 60 is 60 shift for delegate registration. Right now that's like $37 usd but it was $2 usd when most delegates were first registering.

The link leads to a shift account log in
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May 23, 2017, 09:22:42 PM
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I would be cautious following that link. It's not an official Shift link but has shiftnrg in it. Looks sketchy to me.

The 60 is 60 shift for delegate registration. Right now that's like $37 usd but it was $2 usd when most delegates were first registering.

How long ago was that when most delegates were first registering?
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May 23, 2017, 09:26:44 PM
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I would be cautious following that link. It's not an official Shift link but has shiftnrg in it. Looks sketchy to me.

The 60 is 60 shift for delegate registration. Right now that's like $37 usd but it was $2 usd when most delegates were first registering.

How long ago was that when most delegates were first registering?

8 months ago
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May 24, 2017, 07:52:04 PM
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This coin is so undervalued it should be a crime.

ETH: 0xff90080d7db05ced501f273548841a2c39cf6463
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May 25, 2017, 06:47:31 AM
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Hi all

I have a few questions concerning shift and its competitors :

(I am fairly new to the crypto community so correct me if I'm wrong please)

Shift wants to decentralize the web and will release Phantom as a dApp SDK at the end of Q2. If I understand correctly Lisk is also building a dApp SDK with release date set to Q4. The developpers from Shift and Lisk both worked on the Crypti project together and then split off starting Shift and Lisk when they saw great potential in the project.

The apps will run as a sidechain to the main blokchain. Developpers can use the currency of the main blockchain on the sidechain app, or create a new currency unique to that sidechain. So what is inherently different about Lisk and Shift? Are they both competing against each other to deliver the SDK platform as fast as possible or is their vision really different?

Ethereum has already released a dApp SDK and there are already a few working sites online. What is the difference with Shift and how will Shift differentiate themselves from a competitor that has already grown to a market cap of 18 billion and is backed by big investors?

As of now, Shifts market cap holds 7.4 million usd, Lisk mc holds 141.6 million usd and Ethereum mc holds 18 billion usd. When Shift releases the Phantom stand-alone SDK at the end of Q2 I see Shift amounting to the mc of Lisk easily. That means Shift could be a x20 ROI. To reach a large market cap the crypto currency needs strong tech and a good marketing plan. Has Shift devised a marketing plan after the release of Phantom yet?

Kind regards,
a fellow Shift investor
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May 25, 2017, 01:01:58 PM
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As of now, Shifts market cap holds 7.4 million usd, Lisk mc holds 141.6 million usd and Ethereum mc holds 18 billion usd. When Shift releases the Phantom stand-alone SDK at the end of Q2 I see Shift amounting to the mc of Lisk easily. That means Shift could be a x20 ROI. To reach a large market cap the crypto currency needs strong tech and a good marketing plan. Has Shift devised a marketing plan after the release of Phantom yet?

Kind regards,
a fellow Shift investor

 Grin YES
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May 25, 2017, 03:43:11 PM
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Hi all

I have a few questions concerning shift and its competitors :

(I am fairly new to the crypto community so correct me if I'm wrong please)
Welcome! Have fun learning!

Shift wants to decentralize the web and will release Phantom as a dApp SDK at the end of Q2. If I understand correctly Lisk is also building a dApp SDK with release date set to Q4. The developpers from Shift and Lisk both worked on the Crypti project together and then split off starting Shift and Lisk when they saw great potential in the project.
Yes and no. Phantom  is the flagship "product" (I guess you could call it a dApp) but I don't believe the primary purpose is to act as an SDK. The primary purpose is to act as the gateway to the Shift network. Shift's focus is decentralized hosting and Lisk's focus is dapps and sidechains, although since they're based on the same codebase, in theory they could each to both. I don't think anyone from the Shift team worked on Crypti. Shift was originally based on the Eth codebase, but came under 51% attacks and switch over the Lisk codebase ~8 month ago or so.

The apps will run as a sidechain to the main blokchain. Developpers can use the currency of the main blockchain on the sidechain app, or create a new currency unique to that sidechain. So what is inherently different about Lisk and Shift? Are they both competing against each other to deliver the SDK platform as fast as possible or is their vision really different?
Same as above, the teams have different focuses and different goals. Shift and Lisk have contributed to each other to make the codebase the better in the past, it's not really a competition.

Ethereum has already released a dApp SDK and there are already a few working sites online. What is the difference with Shift and how will Shift differentiate themselves from a competitor that has already grown to a market cap of 18 billion and is backed by big investors?
I think same as before, Shift is focused on decentralized hosting and is not a direct competitor with Eth. Also a big differentiation is the use of IPFS, which I don't think has been done before in crypto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterPlanetary_File_System


As of now, Shifts market cap holds 7.4 million usd, Lisk mc holds 141.6 million usd and Ethereum mc holds 18 billion usd. When Shift releases the Phantom stand-alone SDK at the end of Q2 I see Shift amounting to the mc of Lisk easily. That means Shift could be a x20 ROI. To reach a large market cap the crypto currency needs strong tech and a good marketing plan. Has Shift devised a marketing plan after the release of Phantom yet?
Shift has strong tech and a strong team that's been through the ringer and has kept going. I believe that marketing is planned for after Phantom is released and stable, so there's an actual working product to market, instead of just ideas and promises. As far as market cap, I'm sure we're all hoping for some nice growth Smiley

Kind regards,
a fellow Shift investor

Also feel free to join the Ryver chat and you can probably get some better, more precise answers than I can give
https://www.shiftnrg.org/contact/
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May 26, 2017, 06:08:02 PM
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Hi all

I have a few questions concerning shift and its competitors :

(I am fairly new to the crypto community so correct me if I'm wrong please)
Welcome! Have fun learning!

Shift wants to decentralize the web and will release Phantom as a dApp SDK at the end of Q2. If I understand correctly Lisk is also building a dApp SDK with release date set to Q4. The developpers from Shift and Lisk both worked on the Crypti project together and then split off starting Shift and Lisk when they saw great potential in the project.
Yes and no. Phantom  is the flagship "product" (I guess you could call it a dApp) but I don't believe the primary purpose is to act as an SDK. The primary purpose is to act as the gateway to the Shift network. Shift's focus is decentralized hosting and Lisk's focus is dapps and sidechains, although since they're based on the same codebase, in theory they could each to both. I don't think anyone from the Shift team worked on Crypti. Shift was originally based on the Eth codebase, but came under 51% attacks and switch over the Lisk codebase ~8 month ago or so.

So what is inherently different about Lisk and Shift? Are they both competing against each other to deliver the SDK platform as fast as possible or is their vision really different?
Same as above, the teams have different focuses and different goals. Shift and Lisk have contributed to each other to make the codebase the better in the past, it's not really a competition.

Ethereum has already released a dApp SDK and there are already a few working sites online. What is the difference with Shift and how will Shift differentiate themselves from a competitor that has already grown to a market cap of 18 billion and is backed by big investors?
I think same as before, Shift is focused on decentralized hosting and is not a direct competitor with Eth. Also a big differentiation is the use of IPFS, which I don't think has been done before in crypto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterPlanetary_File_System


As of now, Shifts market cap holds 7.4 million usd, Lisk mc holds 141.6 million usd and Ethereum mc holds 18 billion usd. When Shift releases the Phantom stand-alone SDK at the end of Q2 I see Shift amounting to the mc of Lisk easily. That means Shift could be a x20 ROI. To reach a large market cap the crypto currency needs strong tech and a good marketing plan. Has Shift devised a marketing plan after the release of Phantom yet?
Shift has strong tech and a strong team that's been through the ringer and has kept going. I believe that marketing is planned for after Phantom is released and stable, so there's an actual working product to market, instead of just ideas and promises. As far as market cap, I'm sure we're all hoping for some nice growth Smiley

Kind regards,
a fellow Shift investor

Also feel free to join the Ryver chat and you can probably get some better, more precise answers than I can give
https://www.shiftnrg.org/contact/

Thank you Timbo_Slice for your reply.

I have joined the Ryver chat and got some great answers there as well, which I will share on this thread as I am sure it will provide information for bitcointalk users who are not on the Ryver chat.


The apps will run as a sidechain to the main blokchain. Developpers can use the currency of the main blockchain on the sidechain app, or create a new currency unique to that sidechain. So what is inherently different about Lisk and Shift? Are they both competing against each other to deliver the SDK platform as fast as possible or is their vision really different?
Both visions from Lisk and Shift differ quite a lot. Lisk is focussing on dApp building based on JavaScript, while Shift is focussing on decentralized webhosting (and dApp hosting). Since Shift is now code based on Lisk, the first idea was to implement Lisk's SDK besides the main focus of decentralized webhosting with Shift its main service called Phantom. However, Lisk's SDK is still not there, therefore the Shift team decided to create its own SDK. After the latest newsletter which stated that Phantom has also been converted into a dApp, it seems to be that Shift will be the first DPoS system that will be SDK- and dApp-ready.


Ethereum has already released a dApp SDK and there are already a few working sites online. What is the difference with Shift and how will Shift differentiate themselves from a competitor that has already grown to a market cap of 18 billion and is backed by big investors?
Yes, Ethereum already has its SDK ready, but a DPoS system, such as Lisk and Shift, is much more stable I would say. Ethereum's SDK is Python based, while most programmers are more familiar with JavaScript. Therefore, I would say that Lisk and Shift have some interesting advantages above Ethereum.

Has Shift devised a marketing plan after the release of Phantom yet?
Yes, a strong marketing plan is in the making  Wink
stay tuned





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Hi all

I have a few questions concerning shift and its competitors :

(I am fairly new to the crypto community so correct me if I'm wrong please)
Welcome! Have fun learning!

Shift wants to decentralize the web and will release Phantom as a dApp SDK at the end of Q2. If I understand correctly Lisk is also building a dApp SDK with release date set to Q4. The developpers from Shift and Lisk both worked on the Crypti project together and then split off starting Shift and Lisk when they saw great potential in the project.
Yes and no. Phantom  is the flagship "product" (I guess you could call it a dApp) but I don't believe the primary purpose is to act as an SDK. The primary purpose is to act as the gateway to the Shift network. Shift's focus is decentralized hosting and Lisk's focus is dapps and sidechains, although since they're based on the same codebase, in theory they could each to both. I don't think anyone from the Shift team worked on Crypti. Shift was originally based on the Eth codebase, but came under 51% attacks and switch over the Lisk codebase ~8 month ago or so.

So what is inherently different about Lisk and Shift? Are they both competing against each other to deliver the SDK platform as fast as possible or is their vision really different?
Same as above, the teams have different focuses and different goals. Shift and Lisk have contributed to each other to make the codebase the better in the past, it's not really a competition.

Ethereum has already released a dApp SDK and there are already a few working sites online. What is the difference with Shift and how will Shift differentiate themselves from a competitor that has already grown to a market cap of 18 billion and is backed by big investors?
I think same as before, Shift is focused on decentralized hosting and is not a direct competitor with Eth. Also a big differentiation is the use of IPFS, which I don't think has been done before in crypto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterPlanetary_File_System


As of now, Shifts market cap holds 7.4 million usd, Lisk mc holds 141.6 million usd and Ethereum mc holds 18 billion usd. When Shift releases the Phantom stand-alone SDK at the end of Q2 I see Shift amounting to the mc of Lisk easily. That means Shift could be a x20 ROI. To reach a large market cap the crypto currency needs strong tech and a good marketing plan. Has Shift devised a marketing plan after the release of Phantom yet?
Shift has strong tech and a strong team that's been through the ringer and has kept going. I believe that marketing is planned for after Phantom is released and stable, so there's an actual working product to market, instead of just ideas and promises. As far as market cap, I'm sure we're all hoping for some nice growth Smiley

Kind regards,
a fellow Shift investor

Also feel free to join the Ryver chat and you can probably get some better, more precise answers than I can give
https://www.shiftnrg.org/contact/

Thank you Timbo_Slice for your reply.

I have joined the Ryver chat and got some great answers there as well, which I will share on this thread as I am sure it will provide information for bitcointalk users who are not on the Ryver chat.


The apps will run as a sidechain to the main blokchain. Developpers can use the currency of the main blockchain on the sidechain app, or create a new currency unique to that sidechain. So what is inherently different about Lisk and Shift? Are they both competing against each other to deliver the SDK platform as fast as possible or is their vision really different?
Both visions from Lisk and Shift differ quite a lot. Lisk is focussing on dApp building based on JavaScript, while Shift is focussing on decentralized webhosting (and dApp hosting). Since Shift is now code based on Lisk, the first idea was to implement Lisk's SDK besides the main focus of decentralized webhosting with Shift its main service called Phantom. However, Lisk's SDK is still not there, therefore the Shift team decided to create its own SDK. After the latest newsletter which stated that Phantom has also been converted into a dApp, it seems to be that Shift will be the first DPoS system that will be SDK- and dApp-ready.


Ethereum has already released a dApp SDK and there are already a few working sites online. What is the difference with Shift and how will Shift differentiate themselves from a competitor that has already grown to a market cap of 18 billion and is backed by big investors?
Yes, Ethereum already has its SDK ready, but a DPoS system, such as Lisk and Shift, is much more stable I would say. Ethereum's SDK is Python based, while most programmers are more familiar with JavaScript. Therefore, I would say that Lisk and Shift have some interesting advantages above Ethereum.

Has Shift devised a marketing plan after the release of Phantom yet?
Yes, a strong marketing plan is in the making  Wink
stay tuned




Thank you very much for sharing this!! many people here in bitcointalk will appreciate this
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It's nice seeing more people setting up a testnet node. Feels like everyone is waiting for the phantom release. Also the documentation is getting improved thanks to the community members. The future seems bright for shift, I'm watching closely  Smiley.


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Thank you very much for sharing this!! many people here in bitcointalk will appreciate this

+1. Thanks very much cascano and Timbo_Slice for the recent post—really helpful.
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