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September 22, 2022, 09:27:36 AM
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A few posts above there was a discussion about whether Robert Lewandowski departure had an impact. Of course, every departure has an impact for a team. That is also the case at work. When someone leaves the job we do not find a 1:1 replacement. But I do not think that is the question or the problem here. The problem is in the defence. They lost because goals were scored against them. So the focus from Bayern should be the defence.
I agree that Lewandowski's departure has had an impact (whether it's bad or not). But I don't agree that they only have defensive problems, because when their defense is good but they can't score it means they won't win the game. I said they played well, it was just that they had problems with finishing, that's what I saw. If they had a good finish, when they conceded one goal and created two, it would have been a win for them.
It's true, Munich played well, but it looks like something went wrong up front against a team with a strong defense. none of the Munich forwards have the initiative and can unlock it. when it comes to a deadlock, of course, Munich will be very frustrated when there are many chances but don't produce goals. when they have a lot of possession but can't give a good pass. Munich must evaluate its squad.



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September 22, 2022, 09:36:24 AM
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A few posts above there was a discussion about whether Robert Lewandowski departure had an impact. Of course, every departure has an impact for a team. That is also the case at work. When someone leaves the job we do not find a 1:1 replacement. But I do not think that is the question or the problem here. The problem is in the defence. They lost because goals were scored against them. So the focus from Bayern should be the defence.
It's been busy the last few weeks when Mane left and was replaced by Mane but it was a natural thing because, as you said, every departure, especially for a player who has always been the focus of a club, will definitely have an impact and maybe with Bayern's current condition it's not impossible. some will think that this was the wrong decision to sell Lewandowski.

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September 22, 2022, 09:57:36 AM
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A few posts above there was a discussion about whether Robert Lewandowski departure had an impact. Of course, every departure has an impact for a team. That is also the case at work. When someone leaves the job we do not find a 1:1 replacement. But I do not think that is the question or the problem here. The problem is in the defence. They lost because goals were scored against them. So the focus from Bayern should be the defence.
Based on Bayern's results - they are not that bad, especially the beginning of the season was crazy when it became clear that they can score goals even without Robert Lewandowski... Now after such a great start Bayern have slowed down a bit because they also have to play in Champions League... But I still think they are in great shape!

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September 22, 2022, 10:39:06 AM
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It's been busy the last few weeks when Mane left and was replaced by Mane but it was a natural thing because, as you said, every departure, especially for a player who has always been the focus of a club, will definitely have an impact and maybe with Bayern's current condition it's not impossible. some will think that this was the wrong decision to sell Lewandowski.
The Bayern Munich party who chose to sell Lewandowski was not a unilateral decision from his team, but also the decision of Lewandowski himself who no longer wanted to stay at Bayern Munich for this season. So the deal to sell him to Barcelona is a good thing and it's not wrong at all because Bayern Munich can still get good results this season if they are able to play consistently in every game they have left.

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September 22, 2022, 11:05:40 AM
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That's mainly because they are lacking a striker like Lewandowski and they were so used to him finishing those positions. He scored 40 goals a year just on bundesliga, add in UCL and the cup games as well, that dude had 50 goals a year every year for them, and that meant that it would be easy for them to score, get it to a point and then give it to lewandowski so he could score.

Nowadays, they do not have him, and they still come to a point but then they are lacking that finishing, nobody in the team has it as good as Lewa did and that is the problem. They will adjust and start scoring too, but it will take time to get that responsibility distributed to everyone.
Perhaps there are two options here, either Mane will adapt and start scoring as much as Lewandowski (although he is used to a different model of play), or all players from attacking line, will score a little bit every one. It seems that Negelsmann himself is still in search of optimal tactics for Bayern, although by this time it would be time to decide.

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September 22, 2022, 12:35:55 PM
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A few posts above there was a discussion about whether Robert Lewandowski departure had an impact. Of course, every departure has an impact for a team. That is also the case at work. When someone leaves the job we do not find a 1:1 replacement. But I do not think that is the question or the problem here. The problem is in the defence. They lost because goals were scored against them. So the focus from Bayern should be the defence.
I agree that Lewandowski's departure has had an impact (whether it's bad or not). But I don't agree that they only have defensive problems, because when their defense is good but they can't score it means they won't win the game. I said they played well, it was just that they had problems with finishing, that's what I saw. If they had a good finish, when they conceded one goal and created two, it would have been a win for them.

No. Of course they do not only have problems with the defensive. But what I meant is that we can not take the departure from Lewandowski as the reason for lost games. Of course goals have to be scored. But if the defence has problems it is easier for the opponent to block the offensive and overcome the defence. It would be strange to always win with 4:3, 5:4 and so on.  Cheesy
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September 22, 2022, 02:21:22 PM
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I'm sure Bayern Munich is very easy to do again to score Champions League champions, because they have quality players of course wins are easy to achieve, but at the moment they are not enthusiastic and prefer to play casually, and at the end of the game Bayern Munich will bounce back and make many opponents scared.
I guess its not about enthusiastic and that they play casually at the moment  , the other teams making really a big effort when they playing against Bayern Munich.
Also Munich maybe struggling a bit of the lot of games they have right now and that they focus more on the Champions League as on the League.
Nobody has expected that they after the 3 draws will lose there game against Augsburg.

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September 22, 2022, 02:56:21 PM
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It's not just about having quality players at Bayern Munich, it's also about more games yet to be played this season so Bayern Munich in general still has a chance to catch up with some of the teams that are already top of the table at this point. After all, the number of points Bayern Munich has with several teams in the standings at this time is not so much that it is still easier for Bayern Munich to catch up.

Bayern Munich wi catch up and also overtake the clubs that are ahead of them in the table. It is not difficult. Why I said so is that those clubs are not much threat, they can win Bayern today and get bitten by another club tomorrow. If Bayer had had an opponent club who can go 11 matches unbeaten, they would have found it difficult to return to top. But as it stands now, in the next 5 matches, everything will re-stablize for Bayern Munich.
It is not difficult for Bayern Munich to catch up with 5 points behind Union Berlin who are in first place in the Bundesliga. Munich need a few games to return to the top of the standings, Bayern Munich will close the first half with the status as leader of the standings.
Bayern Munich will not fall too deep after the defeat to Augsburg, they will try to get back up against Leverkusen. As a team that always dominates the Bundesliga, Bayern Munich will try to perform optimally after dropping a few points, Nagelsmann will make Munich appear optimal in the next match.

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No. Of course they do not only have problems with the defensive. But what I meant is that we can not take the departure from Lewandowski as the reason for lost games. Of course goals have to be scored. But if the defence has problems it is easier for the opponent to block the offensive and overcome the defence. It would be strange to always win with 4:3, 5:4 and so on.  Cheesy
Yes, that's what we saw today, they have gaps that the opponent can use to score goals. It's true that they can win games by scoring a lot of goals, but they also concede a lot of goals, that's a problem. Because they will not score many goals in every game, because luck must also be considered.
Now they have two problems, namely defense and goal productivity. Even though they scored a lot of goals early in the league, it was not enough as they needed goals to win every game.

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September 22, 2022, 03:33:49 PM
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Every club has a season of their down time, and this season could be Bayern Munich down time, but however not until the season is finished. I do still believe at a point they will get up from their slumber, but literally they need to start getting things going in the right, hence it could be late for them and they might even find it very difficult and struggle to qualify for next season champions league game competition if they continue with this hands and keep going downwards in their league table.
Agreed, it's very painful to see that how bad the performance from bayern in last matches of bundesliga. I meant if it's not going straight with the performance of bayern in the champion league. This may become a big question for all of fans. If bayern will be getting another draw or lose again and the chance to be the top 4 is become even very small than before. Bayern needs to be qualified for the next champion league if that was failed in this season.
Concerns are rising even voices are still not loud because of their amazing performance in Champions League, but their performance in Bundesliga is surely having poor time and peoples are feeling departure of Robert Lewandowski having big impact but as we can watch they are doing good sadly they are fail to convert their chances which is surely a problem but as Coach saying he has faith in new players, and they could be on target in next few matches as things are under development.

Sadio Mané is surely quality player and done good job in past but right now he is having issues which is surely going to solve by time, and we will have good changes in coming weeks after International break but if things are not going to settle then surely we will have change in coach which is Thomas Tuchel and this is going to be good for them as they are serious looking for command in league.

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September 22, 2022, 03:35:42 PM
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It's been busy the last few weeks when Mane left and was replaced by Mane but it was a natural thing because, as you said, every departure, especially for a player who has always been the focus of a club, will definitely have an impact and maybe with Bayern's current condition it's not impossible. some will think that this was the wrong decision to sell Lewandowski.
The Bayern Munich party who chose to sell Lewandowski was not a unilateral decision from his team, but also the decision of Lewandowski himself who no longer wanted to stay at Bayern Munich for this season. So the deal to sell him to Barcelona is a good thing and it's not wrong at all because Bayern Munich can still get good results this season if they are able to play consistently in every game they have left.
Agreed about this was purely Robert Lewandowski decision not to stay here in Bayern Munich and management done good and sold him to Barcelona because if one player is not interested then you never take risk with him if you are able to have good replacement and same happen in this case even right now they are not bad in performance but surely missing magic which was done by Robert Lewandowski in last many seasons with Sadio Mané is currently under adjustment which is taking time more than expected, but things could be under control and if they fail to have their desired results than surely we are going to have changes in coming transfer window because they will not take long time for having their required targeted players to be in this team for better results.
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September 22, 2022, 03:56:10 PM
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Bayern Munich's poor performance was also influenced by Mane's declining performance and not finding his rhythm. Mane seems to need a long adaptation when it comes to playing in the Dutch league.
Due to poor performances, Bayern Munich had to settle for fifth place with 12 points this season and Union Berlin in first place with 17 points. Need 5 more points to reach the top, Bayern Munich must work hard and must score as many goals as possible.
Bayern play well, they dominate, they create a lot of chances, but for some reason they can't convert them into goals. Maybe they lack Lewandowski. Wink It is not clear why this is happening, because in the Champions League they are in perfect order, and in the Bundesliga matches they have a series of misfortunes. It is inappropriate to say that Mane is to blame, maybe he just needs more time, and Bayern also have excellent forwards with whom the team should win even without Lewandowski and Mane.
I won’t say it’s Sadio mane’s form that’s affecting the performance of Bayern Munich. Mane is a good and experienced player. But Nagelsmann hasn’t found how to maximize his ability. Mane is struggling to replicate his Liverpool form in Germany. He should restructure his team and revisit his tactics to make use of Mane in a way that he can fire well. The team isn’t playing well at the moment and I’m sure that if they don’t win their next game, there’s going to be trouble.

Bayern Munich is a strong club and has won many titles. But for now it needs some improvements so that the quality of their game can return to what it was like. About Sadio Mane of course it's just a matter of adaptation and has not found his rhythm in Munich as I explained earlier. Mane is a great player who is capable of being a goalscoring machine.
Nagelsmann gave Mane a new position because he believes Mane can be in the center forward position and it is Mane's job to adapt even in any position. Actually Bayern Munich had many chances, but these opportunities did not result in a goal. Nothing is completely wrong and right, all have their own faults and truths. Bayern Munich just needs to fix a few mistakes that exist, so that the team's performance is better and can add points again.

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September 22, 2022, 05:58:55 PM
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It's been busy the last few weeks when Mane left and was replaced by Mane but it was a natural thing because, as you said, every departure, especially for a player who has always been the focus of a club, will definitely have an impact and maybe with Bayern's current condition it's not impossible. some will think that this was the wrong decision to sell Lewandowski.
The Bayern Munich party who chose to sell Lewandowski was not a unilateral decision from his team, but also the decision of Lewandowski himself who no longer wanted to stay at Bayern Munich for this season. So the deal to sell him to Barcelona is a good thing and it's not wrong at all because Bayern Munich can still get good results this season if they are able to play consistently in every game they have left.
Agreed about this was purely Robert Lewandowski decision not to stay here in Bayern Munich and management done good and sold him to Barcelona because if one player is not interested then you never take risk with him if you are able to have good replacement and same happen in this case even right now they are not bad in performance but surely missing magic which was done by Robert Lewandowski in last many seasons with Sadio Mané is currently under adjustment which is taking time more than expected, but things could be under control and if they fail to have their desired results than surely we are going to have changes in coming transfer window because they will not take long time for having their required targeted players to be in this team for better results.

We cannot compare Sadio Mane with Robert Lewandowski. The two play completely different styles. Robert Lewandowski was a regular scorer. He could score a lot of goals. With the help of the midfielders, he maintained his dominant performance. Sadio Mane on the other hand is a very talented and experienced player. There is no doubt about it. But he was never a regular scorer like Robert Lewandowski. He did not score many goals or assists in the Liverpool team. However, Liverpool's performance in his presence was very stable. As Bayern Munich signed Mane as a replacement for Robert Lewandowski. So I would say he will never be a suitable replacement for Robert Lewandowski. Bayern Munich management must add one more striker to the squad.

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We cannot compare Sadio Mane with Robert Lewandowski. The two play completely different styles. Robert Lewandowski was a regular scorer. He could score a lot of goals. With the help of the midfielders, he maintained his dominant performance. Sadio Mane on the other hand is a very talented and experienced player. There is no doubt about it. But he was never a regular scorer like Robert Lewandowski. He did not score many goals or assists in the Liverpool team. However, Liverpool's performance in his presence was very stable. As Bayern Munich signed Mane as a replacement for Robert Lewandowski. So I would say he will never be a suitable replacement for Robert Lewandowski. Bayern Munich management must add one more striker to the squad.

100% agree. Sadio mane is a reliable player at wing but as a striker he doesn't holds much experience. I have doubts when Bayern came out and indicated that they won't be signing any striker in previous window. But now feels like that they need a striker more than ever. If they want to go with Mane then they have to give him time to adjust to his new role otherwise getting new striker in next window is the only option next to it.
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September 22, 2022, 06:52:17 PM
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When Mane was brought here first I thought that they were thinking of signing a striker as well. In the end Mane is not a striker and he wasn't playing like that for Liverpool too. But interestingly they didn't even look for any striker before the end of the transfer window. This was a really bad management by Bayern Munich board. They literally risked this season for the team. They are being punished for this really hard in the Bundesliga these days.

Nagelsmann must have a clear mind about his future because this isn't his fault at all.

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It's not just about having quality players at Bayern Munich, it's also about more games yet to be played this season so Bayern Munich in general still has a chance to catch up with some of the teams that are already top of the table at this point. After all, the number of points Bayern Munich has with several teams in the standings at this time is not so much that it is still easier for Bayern Munich to catch up.

I think many are expecting Bayern Munich to make a catch-up with the leader on the standing and that is Union Berlin, it is too early to say that Union Berlin will be the champion and the next to be like Bayern Munich, there are still a lot of matchdays to have and I think right now Bayern Munich might be readying some new formation for their certain players to be more familiar with, but if Nagelsmann still insist of giving the part to Sadio Mane, then the result will still be the same, but I could also be wrong here,

It's been busy the last few weeks when Mane left and was replaced by Mane but it was a natural thing because, as you said, every departure, especially for a player who has always been the focus of a club, will definitely have an impact and maybe with Bayern's current condition it's not impossible. some will think that this was the wrong decision to sell Lewandowski.

Lewandowski doesn't want to be in Bayern Munich anymore, and the one that decided to leave, Bayern Munich just complied with what Lewandoski wants, because it is not worth it to keep a player that doesn't want to be part of the team anymore, I think it is still a great decision now that Lewandowski is gone to the team, then they will realize their mistakes and what Bayern Munich truly lack because for me Bayern Munich is relying so much to Robert Lewandowski, and all of Nagelsmann's strategy was for Lewandowski,

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September 22, 2022, 07:34:31 PM
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World cup is getting closer guys and Bayern had almost all the players into national team or even all of them so it's kinda normal for some players to stay low as we saw what happened with Reus and poor guy, he always had problems with injuries before tournaments. So even if Bayern is not in full power , they have plenty of time to get back on track but World Cup on winter never happened before ...just saying...is a big factor for all big teams who are having national players in their squad.

Yes, this is an unusual season and there is a possibility that we will see some unexpected champions in the European championships - for example Roma or Udinese in Italy  Grin But I doubt that this is possible in the Bundesliga. No matter how bad Bayern play, all competitors will play even worse and less consistently. In some segments they can show good results, but in general they are untenable.

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September 22, 2022, 09:38:20 PM
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A few posts above there was a discussion about whether Robert Lewandowski departure had an impact. Of course, every departure has an impact for a team. That is also the case at work. When someone leaves the job we do not find a 1:1 replacement. But I do not think that is the question or the problem here. The problem is in the defence. They lost because goals were scored against them. So the focus from Bayern should be the defence.
I agree that Lewandowski's departure has had an impact (whether it's bad or not). But I don't agree that they only have defensive problems, because when their defense is good but they can't score it means they won't win the game. I said they played well, it was just that they had problems with finishing, that's what I saw. If they had a good finish, when they conceded one goal and created two, it would have been a win for them.
No. Of course they do not only have problems with the defensive. But what I meant is that we can not take the departure from Lewandowski as the reason for lost games. Of course goals have to be scored. But if the defence has problems it is easier for the opponent to block the offensive and overcome the defence. It would be strange to always win with 4:3, 5:4 and so on.  Cheesy
Defense doesn't seem like a problem for them though, it looks like Bayerns biggest trouble right now seems like it is the offense and I understand why it could be like that when you have such a great scorer gone, that means it is going to be a bit of a problem.

I understand that you may imagine defense could be part of it and we can't say Lewandowski as "only" reason, but we can say it is the biggest reason. That team never had to rely on anyone else for scoring, it has been so many years since Lewa played for them and they had a tactic in place, working amazingly for them. That is why we could consider him the biggest reason, and defense having a bit of a role in there too, but a smaller one.

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September 22, 2022, 11:11:26 PM
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A few posts above there was a discussion about whether Robert Lewandowski departure had an impact. Of course, every departure has an impact for a team. That is also the case at work. When someone leaves the job we do not find a 1:1 replacement. But I do not think that is the question or the problem here. The problem is in the defence. They lost because goals were scored against them. So the focus from Bayern should be the defence.
I agree that Lewandowski's departure has had an impact (whether it's bad or not). But I don't agree that they only have defensive problems, because when their defense is good but they can't score it means they won't win the game. I said they played well, it was just that they had problems with finishing, that's what I saw. If they had a good finish, when they conceded one goal and created two, it would have been a win for them.
No. Of course they do not only have problems with the defensive. But what I meant is that we can not take the departure from Lewandowski as the reason for lost games. Of course goals have to be scored. But if the defence has problems it is easier for the opponent to block the offensive and overcome the defence. It would be strange to always win with 4:3, 5:4 and so on.  Cheesy
Defense doesn't seem like a problem for them though, it looks like Bayerns biggest trouble right now seems like it is the offense and I understand why it could be like that when you have such a great scorer gone, that means it is going to be a bit of a problem.

I understand that you may imagine defense could be part of it and we can't say Lewandowski as "only" reason, but we can say it is the biggest reason. That team never had to rely on anyone else for scoring, it has been so many years since Lewa played for them and they had a tactic in place, working amazingly for them. That is why we could consider him the biggest reason, and defense having a bit of a role in there too, but a smaller one.

There are reasons for and against your argument. Bayern scored 19 goals in 7 games, which is the top rank in the Bundesliga. I don't know whether it is just a striker who is missing right now. They aren't create enough when they come close to the box. Now they have so many agile players that it is shocking how they lack ideas to crack the opponents' defense.

When you say that Bayern has no problem with their defense, I am not so sure about that. It is not a bad defense, but they are not as solid as they used to be in some of the past seasons. The opponents know that Bayern is making mistakes at times and if you then defend solidly against Bayern and have that one lucky shot (like Augsburg), you can take it home against them.

Bayern gets under pressure when they don't score early. They need to fix that and not lose patience when a game has 90 minutes.

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