Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[pawel7777]

Still on the topic of Ten Hag's dismissal. Today The Sun published an article where they are quoting German Bild that says there were 5 key reaons bhind Leverkusen's decission to sack the Dutchman.
These were (as per the article):
1 - failing to get along with the team
2 - interfering with Leverkusen’s transfer plans, including only proposing players from his own agency
3 - unconventional training methods, i.e. insistence on players doing push-ups (or press-ups) during training, ranking it as important as working with the ball. Also, unusually long training sessions
4 - lack of leadership, disconnection at the training ground and the stadium (I think this would fall under point 1, but oh well)
5 - "tactical disasterclass" - lack of ideas and general gameplan, he would leave it to the players

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/36569564/erik-ten-hag-bayer-leverkusen-sack-five-reasons/

If true, I fully understand Leverkusen's decission.

[LUCKMCFLY]

It is clear here that the problem is not with the squad, but with Ten Hag poor tactical abilities.

What I do want to see from this is what Leverkusen will do, they knew very well the trajectory of ETH, I don't know what happens in some Teams, if a coach has had a bad performance he should wait at least 4 more games to see if they recover , so far it is the first game, it could happen that they have lost, I think that the game that will decide the future of ETH will be against Bayern, since I see it as the team that is much stronger in the Bundesliga.


But as we saw, ETH could only last two games and they fired him. For me, it was the smartest thing Leverkusen could have done. At first, I thought Ten Hag had changed, but no, he's still the same, maybe worse.

[ITExpert]

The decision by Leverkusen to choose Ten Hag at that time surprised many fans. And now his very quick dismissal also surprises many parties. That decision is good to be made quickly, but perhaps most people think he should be given at least half of the season. But Leverkusen is very firm in this regard.

First of all Bayer Leverkusen was too fast to employ Ten Hag I know that they needed a replacement for Xabi Alonso since he left for Real Madrid but they should have made some considerations before appointing him that would have saved them all the stress.

They also took a very fast decision to sack the coach that wasn't totally bad because they already confirmed that he's not capable of getting things done in the team.

Yes the both decisions of hired and fired Eric ten hag were made on the immediate basis. The very first thing is the decision of Bayern leverkusen to choose and appoint Eric Ten Hag as their new coach was a surprising decision and also very risky. As from the day of his appointment everyone is in the situation of being confused because his performance never even makes the fans think he will perform better. Because he was the person under great criticism . But the decision to fire him I think is very appropriate because when it will be too late you have to suffer more. It's a good and bold decision by the management they felt he will not perform well they decide to terminate him. Because the time he stays in the team there is no single thing which focuses on the people to think about him as a good coach. If he really showed some potential then Maybe he did not face such a hard decision.

[$weetne$$]

It is true that Manchester United always gives its coaches enough time, but I disagree with you if Manchester United's new coach fails to win 10 matches in a row, Manchester United won't sack the coach because that era is gone. If Ruben Amorim fails to win more matches for Manchester United when the international break is over, he will be at a big risk of losing his job at Manchester United.

Manchester United has been really linnet in recent times and with the case of Amorim I do no think it is time for them to take such drastic actions immediately but then I hope Amorim does not make everyone get weary of his poor results so far but then Manchester United will very much likely still give him some more time just like they did with Ten Hag, I know  that Amorim is trying to get along with the team but it is actually taking too long.

[Dzwaafu11]

First of all Bayer Leverkusen was too fast to employ Ten Hag I know that they needed a replacement for Xabi Alonso since he left for Real Madrid but they should have made some considerations before appointing him that would have saved them all the stress.

They also took a very fast decision to sack the coach that wasn't totally bad because they already confirmed that he's not capable of getting things done in the team.

I never understood why Bayer Leverkusen brought in Ten Hag as head coach so quickly. In my opinion, he was a failure and I don’t know what logic led Leverkusen to move so fast, but it came at a heavy cost because now they’ve sacked him and will have to pay compensation.
It was the right decision to dismiss him early, as he wasn’t going to bring any benefit to the team anyway.
Now he should go and coach a mid-level club, because he doesn’t have the talent or knowledge to manage a big club.

The fact is that if they knew this is how it would go, they would not have signed him in the first place because what is the essence of bringing him in from the first time? I feel like things did not work out as they wanted, and not in performance. Maybe it’s something under the internet, because I know it won’t be because if this sack of things is due to performance,

then I would say Bayer Leverkusen are wasting their money, because even successful coaches are given enough time – at least a complete season – to strengthen a club and make things go well before anything else. You can’t sign a coach or player and expect a quick result in a very short period of time.

Moreover, they sold their key players, and they refuse to replace them with worthy players that can hold the position the way it’s supposed to.

[Tmoonz]

The decision by Leverkusen to choose Ten Hag at that time surprised many fans. And now his very quick dismissal also surprises many parties. That decision is good to be made quickly, but perhaps most people think he should be given at least half of the season. But Leverkusen is very firm in this regard.

First of all Bayer Leverkusen was too fast to employ Ten Hag I know that they needed a replacement for Xabi Alonso since he left for Real Madrid but they should have made some considerations before appointing him that would have saved them all the stress.

They also took a very fast decision to sack the coach that wasn't totally bad because they already confirmed that he's not capable of getting things done in the team.

I never understood why Bayer Leverkusen brought in Ten Hag as head coach so quickly. In my opinion, he was a failure and I don’t know what logic led Leverkusen to move so fast, but it came at a heavy cost because now they’ve sacked him and will have to pay compensation.
It was the right decision to dismiss him early, as he wasn’t going to bring any benefit to the team anyway.
Now he should go and coach a mid-level club, because he doesn’t have the talent or knowledge to manage a big club.

I think they made a mistake for taking him as the new head coach of the club and they didn't waste any time in firing him also I like as they realized their mistake on time because if they had chose to let him manage the club for maybe half a season trust me it'd be worse than this, because Erik Ten Hang was actually going to take that team back to an average team in that league something Xabi Alonso took lots of time to build, and my advice for Erik Ten Hang is he should just take a shot break in coaching job or maybe focus on becoming the Dutch head coach some day.

[Unknown01]

I think they made a mistake for taking him as the new head coach of the club and they didn't waste any time in firing him also I like as they realized their mistake on time because if they had chose to let him manage the club for maybe half a season trust me it'd be worse than this, because Erik Ten Hang was actually going to take that team back to an average team in that league something Xabi Alonso took lots of time to build, and my advice for Erik Ten Hang is he should just take a shot break in coaching job or maybe focus on becoming the Dutch head coach some day.

Ever since Ten Hag managed to treat CR7 at ManU the way he did, I haven't thought much of him as a coach! You saw how ManU played without Ronaldo in the following years and the same would have happened to Leverkusen. So I don't know what they were thinking when they brought him in to replace the great Xabi Alonso.

In his defense, I have to admit that the team has almost completely changed and there are hardly any players left who played under Xabi. But even with Xabi Alonso's squad, Ten Hag would certainly not have made it into the top 3 in the Bundesliga.

[KTChampions]

Still on the topic of Ten Hag's dismissal. Today The Sun published an article where they are quoting German Bild that says there were 5 key reaons bhind Leverkusen's decission to sack the Dutchman.
These were (as per the article):
1 - failing to get along with the team
2 - interfering with Leverkusen’s transfer plans, including only proposing players from his own agency
3 - unconventional training methods, i.e. insistence on players doing push-ups (or press-ups) during training, ranking it as important as working with the ball. Also, unusually long training sessions
4 - lack of leadership, disconnection at the training ground and the stadium (I think this would fall under point 1, but oh well)
5 - "tactical disasterclass" - lack of ideas and general gameplan, he would leave it to the players

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/36569564/erik-ten-hag-bayer-leverkusen-sack-five-reasons/

If true, I fully understand Leverkusen's decission.

Hahaha, so i was exactly right in my assumptions:

I am sure that there were serious internal factors and ETH was the cause of them, maybe it was a problem in the locker room (ETH's ego is well known), maybe it was some scandals with the management (he was not allowed to buy half of the Ajax team for astronomical amounts of money  ).

But now I have questions: if I knew this about Ten Hag before he was hired, why didn't the Leverkusen management know this? At the very least they could have agreed on a transfer policy before they signed the contract. It is clear that "everyone thinks of himself as a strategist when he sees a battle from the outside", but in this case everything was seen better "from the outside" than from the inside. It turns out that Leverkusen's management deceived itself.

[Mayor of ogba]

It is true that Manchester United always gives its coaches enough time, but I disagree with you if Manchester United's new coach fails to win 10 matches in a row, Manchester United won't sack the coach because that era is gone. If Ruben Amorim fails to win more matches for Manchester United when the international break is over, he will be at a big risk of losing his job at Manchester United.

Manchester United has been really linnet in recent times and with the case of Amorim I do no think it is time for them to take such drastic actions immediately but then I hope Amorim does not make everyone get weary of his poor results so far but then Manchester United will very much likely still give him some more time just like they did with Ten Hag, I know  that Amorim is trying to get along with the team but it is actually taking too long.

Manchester United management hired Ruben Amorim to replace Erik Ten Hag  because they want positive change, and they believe Ruben Amorim could perform better than Erik Ten Hag and improve Manchester United's performance, but with the way Ruben Amorim is currently performing at Manchester United shows that he can't handle the situation at Manchester United. The era where Manchester United management used to be patient with their coaches is gone. If Ruben Amorim doesn't perform better this month, Manchester United management might likely relieve him of his job.

[TelolettOm]

Yes, Terzic was a key member of Dortmund from 2018 to 2022, successfully leading them to the final, but they never won it. But well, at least he had some good experience in the Bundesliga. He's currently without a club. However, no decision has been made yet.

When we consider the progress made by Dortmund since Terzic arrived, we find that there has been actual improvement, although it has not yet paid off with major trophies. I believe the interesting part of the storey is how they were able to reach the stage of nearly being champions, so they have some impressive background in their game.

Yes, but as of now, there's no agreement between Leverkusen and Terzic, even though Leverkusen must have a new coach by next Tuesday at the latest so they can train in preparation for the match against Eintracht Frankfurt.

According to reports, Leverkusen wants to hire a coach who uses a 3-4-2-1 formation, similar to the one Xabi used during the club's inauguration. Besides Terzic, several other names have been rumored, such as Raul, Claudio Giraldez, and Inigo Perez.

Source: Leverkusen want a head coach who will play 3-4-2-1.

[Swordsoffreedom]

In his defense, I have to admit that the team has almost completely changed and there are hardly any players left who played under Xabi. But even with Xabi Alonso's squad, Ten Hag would certainly not have made it into the top 3 in the Bundesliga.

You are right tha t Leverkusen has made big changes in their squad. They have sold important players in the squad. But another important thing is that leverkusen management has also spent a lot of money on players.

Secondly, when Leverkusen loses against the weakest teams in the Bundesliga like Hoffenheim and Werder Bremen, how do you defend it ? Have you seen the match against Werder bremen? Leverkusen was leading by 3-1. At the same timeb, Werder Bremen managed to draw the match despite playing with 10 players. This  is definitely due to the stupidity of the coach. A team like Bremen has scored points against Leverkusen with 10 players. This  is definitely a shame for them. This is why Ten Hag was fired.

[Jewan420]

Secondly, when Leverkusen loses against the weakest teams in the Bundesliga like Hoffenheim and Werder Bremen, how do you defend it ? Have you seen the match against Werder bremen? Leverkusen was leading by 3-1. At the same timeb, Werder Bremen managed to draw the match despite playing with 10 players. This  is definitely due to the stupidity of the coach. A team like Bremen has scored points against Leverkusen with 10 players. This  is definitely a shame for them. This is why Ten Hag was fired.

I am trying to be positive about Leverkusen after Ten Hag's dismissal. From my point of view it was a really great decision. Because they lost points under Ten Hag by playing bad football even against weak teams. Even Ten Hag has no good achievements and no good reputation. He is known as a bad coach and the teams under him have deteriorated more. That is why Leverkusen may not have taken too long to make a decision and sacked Ten Hag. I am now hoping for their comeback and looking forward to seeing the performance of a team without a manager. Now is the right time to prove that Leverkusen is a strong team.

[Lidger]

The decision by Leverkusen to choose Ten Hag at that time surprised many fans. And now his very quick dismissal also surprises many parties. That decision is good to be made quickly, but perhaps most people think he should be given at least half of the season. But Leverkusen is very firm in this regard.

First of all Bayer Leverkusen was too fast to employ Ten Hag I know that they needed a replacement for Xabi Alonso since he left for Real Madrid but they should have made some considerations before appointing him that would have saved them all the stress.

They also took a very fast decision to sack the coach that wasn't totally bad because they already confirmed that he's not capable of getting things done in the team.

I never understood why Bayer Leverkusen brought in Ten Hag as head coach so quickly. In my opinion, he was a failure and I don’t know what logic led Leverkusen to move so fast, but it came at a heavy cost because now they’ve sacked him and will have to pay compensation.
It was the right decision to dismiss him early, as he wasn’t going to bring any benefit to the team anyway.
Now he should go and coach a mid-level club, because he doesn’t have the talent or knowledge to manage a big club.

It is clear that Ten Hag is either not able to prove himself well at Leverkusen or is not able to change the team's performance by applying the right strategy, which is why Leverkusen has fired the former Manchester United manager. Manchester United have made the same mistake before and Leverkusen will definitely not make the same mistake. Yes, it is natural for us to feel that this manager has only been in charge of Leverkusen for a few matches and considering the performance of these few matches, he cannot be removed from his position, but one thing is that how well a manager can perform for a team is understood only by watching the first few matches. Maybe the Leverkusen management did not see anything good in Ten Hag and they felt that if they keep Ten Hag at their club for a longer period, their club's situation would be worse, but they came and fired the manager at this time of the season.

[Zackz5000]

It is clear here that the problem is not with the squad, but with Ten Hag poor tactical abilities.

What I do want to see from this is what Leverkusen will do, they knew very well the trajectory of ETH, I don't know what happens in some Teams, if a coach has had a bad performance he should wait at least 4 more games to see if they recover , so far it is the first game, it could happen that they have lost, I think that the game that will decide the future of ETH will be against Bayern, since I see it as the team that is much stronger in the Bundesliga.


But as we saw, ETH could only last two games and they fired him. For me, it was the smartest thing Leverkusen could have done. At first, I thought Ten Hag had changed, but no, he's still the same, maybe worse.

It is not every team that will keep a coach in their team to give him more time when he is performing well if he will change, i so much like what Bayer 04 Leverkusen did to Erik ten hag they never waited until it becomes later 2-3 games is enough to prove if a coach will perform well or bad.

When Erik ten hag was still at Old Trafford Manchester United gave him enough opportunity to see if he can transform to team but he couldn't do any thing to change Manchester United instead things was getting worse until when ha has finally destroy Manchester United before he was sacked so i think Bayer 04 Leverkusen didn't want such case to happen to them so i applude Bayer 04 Leverkusen for their smartest move to push him out as the team coach.

[tygeade]

Players are sold when the right time comes and their value is high, and that’s exactly what Bayer Leverkusen did.
At Manchester United, I think he was given enough time, yet he achieved nothing. The Leverkusen board most likely thought he wouldn’t be able to do anything here either, which is why they sacked him.

In the Eredivisie, there are basically only two big clubs: Ajax and PSV.
It’s completely natural for one of these two to win the league and dominate it.

While it is true that Leverkusen should have sold those players in order to profit the peak and that way they could get a lot better future ahead of them with money at hand. The mistake wasn't selling, it was buying. They have overpaid on many players this year and that caused them to not have the result they wish to have. If they end up with bad transfers, then they are not going to be a team that can do fine, hence the problem we are seeing right now.

This issue will not be simple and we are not going to see them have the result they wish to have. If they really want to do better, then they should use the money to got from those transfers into something that would make more sense. Check out the list of players that they got, and how much they paid for them.

https://www.transfermarkt.com.tr/bayer-04-leverkusen/transfers/verein/15/saison_id/2025

After all of that sale, they are only in 30 million profit. When is the next time you think Leverkusen could make 230 million from selling players in a single summer? I am 100% sure that it is not going to happen anytime soon, and yet they have wasted all of that money, for getting bunch of mediocre players who will not turn out to be 100 million euro players. They spent this summer very wrong.

[len01]

But as we saw, ETH could only last two games and they fired him. For me, it was the smartest thing Leverkusen could have done. At first, I thought Ten Hag had changed, but no, he's still the same, maybe worse.

This is the best option for Leverkusen to restore their reputation from the start without having to wait too long. Even so, I actually agree if Ten Hag gets sacked, but I'm curious whether this drop in performance is entirely Ten Hag's fault.

Leverkusen lost their best player, and Ten Hag came in with the expectation of bringing change. It feels unfair, because improving a team’s performance takes time, but perhaps Leverkusen doesn’t trust Ten Hag after his failure at Man United.

[Umulala-alala]

It is true that Manchester United always gives its coaches enough time, but I disagree with you if Manchester United's new coach fails to win 10 matches in a row, Manchester United won't sack the coach because that era is gone. If Ruben Amorim fails to win more matches for Manchester United when the international break is over, he will be at a big risk of losing his job at Manchester United.

Manchester United has been really linnet in recent times and with the case of Amorim I do no think it is time for them to take such drastic actions immediately but then I hope Amorim does not make everyone get weary of his poor results so far but then Manchester United will very much likely still give him some more time just like they did with Ten Hag, I know  that Amorim is trying to get along with the team but it is actually taking too long.

Man united is not a club that quickly sack their coaches they will try to give you a full season some 2 season to see if you can bring back the name of the club to were it uses to be before, those that just started watching football in the last 10 years wouldn't know how good Man united was you will enjoy watching Man united then.
They may give Amorim this season if he can come up with better results he won last week let's still watch this week this week will be difficult since it is a Manchester Derby game though both club is not performing well this season I can't predict who will win Amorim will still be given more time if he couldn't get a point this week.

If it is club like Leverkusen Amorim would be off sacked just two matches ETH played he was sacked by Leverkusen ETH is never good.

[MarjorieZimmermanGinger]

When Erik ten hag was still at Old Trafford Manchester United gave him enough opportunity to see if he can transform to team but he couldn't do any thing to change Manchester United instead things was getting worse until when ha has finally destroy Manchester United before he was sacked so i think Bayer 04 Leverkusen didn't want such case to happen to them so i applude Bayer 04 Leverkusen for their smartest move to push him out as the team coach.

Even though he had the support to buy players as desired, his performance was far from expected, and I'm starting to think Ten Hag isn't one of the best coaches in a much more competitive league. However, at Leverkusen, he only managed two official Bundesliga matches, and his dismissal was considered quite swift, even though management saw it as necessary to prevent the team from sinking further. Now let's see how this team can improve, because the departure of several key players will make it very difficult for any manager to bring Leverkusen back to the level they achieved two seasons ago.

[MArsland]

Still on the topic of Ten Hag's dismissal. Today The Sun published an article where they are quoting German Bild that says there were 5 key reaons bhind Leverkusen's decission to sack the Dutchman.
These were (as per the article):
1 - failing to get along with the team
2 - interfering with Leverkusen’s transfer plans, including only proposing players from his own agency
3 - unconventional training methods, i.e. insistence on players doing push-ups (or press-ups) during training, ranking it as important as working with the ball. Also, unusually long training sessions
4 - lack of leadership, disconnection at the training ground and the stadium (I think this would fall under point 1, but oh well)
5 - "tactical disasterclass" - lack of ideas and general gameplan, he would leave it to the players

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/36569564/erik-ten-hag-bayer-leverkusen-sack-five-reasons/

If true, I fully understand Leverkusen's decission.

Those are good points and very understandable. After all, Erik Ten Hag has no intention of changing his approach, which is similar to what he did at Manchester United. Fortunately Leverkusen is a well-managed club, so when there is a disagreement, it is dealt with immediately and not allowed to continue.

[Roseline492]

Perhaps patience was never what they had in common with Manchester United because in Manchester United even if they just signed a coached now and they played 10 matches without wining they will never have the thought of sacking the coach because they would always think of giving him the whole season to see whether he can change so perhaps that's why when they fall it takes many seasons to come back because of the extent at which there fall had gotten to but Bayern Leverkusen on the other hand doesn't want to get too bad before they can start seeing the  coach faults.

It is true that Manchester United always gives its coaches enough time, but I disagree with you if Manchester United's new coach fails to win 10 matches in a row, Manchester United won't sack the coach because that era is gone. If Ruben Amorim fails to win more matches for Manchester United when the international break is over, he will be at a big risk of losing his job at Manchester United.

If not that new players are now in there mins you would have seen that Ruben Amorim will lose even more than 10 matches and nothing is going to happen to him at that moment, I don't see any new era in Manchester United you are saying because they are just the same in terms of decision making as when ten hag was still there, however if you think they're not in that era again, what changed about them?, although is difficult to see Ruben Amorim with a lot of matches without wining because it cannot happen no matter how ineffective he could be. Leverkusen is already having the season they never want to see from there performance and this could progress till the end of the season.