Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[LUCKMCFLY]

The reason why Ligue 1 and Bundesliga are seen as not great league is not because there is a top team, but because other teams are not doing that great. Dortmund did alright for a season or two, but aside from that, no French team or any German team did good.

Sure Bayern could keep on winning Bundesliga every year, nobody says that makes the league bad, they can win 10 more years in a row. But if we want to consider this league decent, then other teams needs to do well in UEFA competitions as well, otherwise they are all just bad teams.

But it's incorrect to say that their leagues are of a low level. The Bundesliga is an acceptable and relatively high level, not to mention Ligue 1, where the undisputed champion, PSG, has emerged. The thing is, these teams are far superior to their leagues; that is, the other teams haven't yet been able to reach those levels. But if teams like PSG and Bayern can do it in the Bundesliga, the other teams must assume greater expenses and investments to become more competitive.

[Bobrox]

Apart from Dortmund and Bayern Munich, mention another German team that is doing better currently, and don’t give me the history of Bayer Leverkusen because it has already passed.

I'm not criticising the German league (Bundesliga) because I also enjoyed watching most of their matches, but the competition there is not comparable to that in the Premier League, so please don’t misunderstand my point.

I am not really enjoying the bundesliga matches because last two season in a row there are not any competitive team who has consistent performance stopping Bayern Munich easily become the champion. After Bayern Leverkusen leaving by Xabi Alonso and several top players, their performance inconsistent and not only loss dominance to stop Bayern Munich dominance but also get difficult keep staying at top fourth standings.

Next season, Dortmund is the only one team wish could stop Bayern Munich dominance indeed not fully sure because the management of Dortmund not too loyal for signing many star player. too far to comparable qualities or level performance of Bundesliga than premier league always have unpredictable result and there are every season have difference dominance team.

[Hvdv]

The reason why Ligue 1 and Bundesliga are seen as not great league is not because there is a top team, but because other teams are not doing that great. Dortmund did alright for a season or two, but aside from that, no French team or any German team did good.

Sure Bayern could keep on winning Bundesliga every year, nobody says that makes the league bad, they can win 10 more years in a row. But if we want to consider this league decent, then other teams needs to do well in UEFA competitions as well, otherwise they are all just bad teams.

But it's incorrect to say that their leagues are of a low level. The Bundesliga is an acceptable and relatively high level, not to mention Ligue 1, where the undisputed champion, PSG, has emerged. The thing is, these teams are far superior to their leagues; that is, the other teams haven't yet been able to reach those levels. But if teams like PSG and Bayern can do it in the Bundesliga, the other teams must assume greater expenses and investments to become more competitive.

For other teams to compete with them, they need to possess a very high level of financial power, which can only happen if a wealthy individual buys the teams, as happened with Paris Saint-Germain. In Germany, Dortmund or Leverkusen might be teams that could achieve this. If a wealthy businessman were to buy one of these teams, perhaps a second team capable of competing with Bayern Munich could emerge. Because for a long time, Bayern Munich has dominated the German league alone. Furthermore, in France, there is no team that can stop Paris Saint-Germain.

[red4slash]

For other teams to compete with them, they need to possess a very high level of financial power, which can only happen if a wealthy individual buys the teams, as happened with Paris Saint-Germain. In Germany, Dortmund or Leverkusen might be teams that could achieve this. If a wealthy businessman were to buy one of these teams, perhaps a second team capable of competing with Bayern Munich could emerge. Because for a long time, Bayern Munich has dominated the German league alone. Furthermore, in France, there is no team that can stop Paris Saint-Germain.

At present Bayern's dominance will be very difficult to overthrow even though Dortmund are often said to be rivals to Bayern but we know the conditions of the two clubs in financial terms are clearly very far away. The difference is also increasingly felt for Bayern who always implement a scheme of transferring players from clubs under them including Dortmund, Leverkusen and Leipzig so that when there is an increase in performance at the club they will lose their momentum again due to the sale of players to Bayern.

On the other hand Leverkusen although their performance was very good and managed to break Bayern's previous dominance but that also does not mean they can be a competitor for me because Bayern always has a way to maintain its dominance in the domestic league.
This is what makes the Bundesliga only dominated by Bayern and other clubs like Dortmund or Leipzig they don't seem to focus on hunting every season but focus on making players who have great talent in their clubs as a source of money.

[BALIK]

Apart from Dortmund and Bayern Munich, mention another German team that is doing better currently, and don’t give me the history of Bayer Leverkusen because it has already passed.
I'm not criticising the German league (Bundesliga) because I also enjoyed watching most of their matches, but the competition there is not comparable to that in the Premier League, so please don’t misunderstand my point.

I am not really enjoying the bundesliga matches because last two season in a row there are not any competitive team who has consistent performance stopping Bayern Munich easily become the champion. After Bayern Leverkusen leaving by Xabi Alonso and several top players, their performance inconsistent and not only loss dominance to stop Bayern Munich dominance but also get difficult keep staying at top fourth standings.
Next season, Dortmund is the only one team wish could stop Bayern Munich dominance indeed not fully sure because the management of Dortmund not too loyal for signing many star player. too far to comparable qualities or level performance of Bundesliga than premier league always have unpredictable result and there are every season have difference dominance team.

You are right. There is never been a shortage of money or talented players in the Bundesliga.
But when Leverkusen's form faltered a bit the entire league has returned to its monotonous form. In other words it feels like a battle between Bayern and everyone else

In fact, Dortmund's constant erratic play. Added to this is the story of the useless squad rebuild. These are the only reasons why the excitement in Germany's race has diminished significantly. It would be good if there was a little bit of depth and fierce fight between the teams like in the Premier League. Even if there is no such competition in Germany but this league will deliver you huge goal celebration in every match

[stompix]

Guys I really have to bring in @stompix, he is the one who has a brain of steel and a gastrointestinal tract covered with Kevlar that allows him to dissect and digest your posts without dying from a stroke or from either diarrhoea or constipation and make a final verdict... ^{(fucking lol)}

Why are you doing this to me?
Like seriously, I thought the Bundesliga was over, the news from transfers should be in the other topic, this thing should be dead or if it's still crawling with insects of the netherworld, let them eat each other in peace in some sort of Japanese cursed kodoku.

Now you made me read that....why, besides it's so simple
not in form > informed > deformed > handicapped > red card > picasso > sagrada familla > 8-2 > union barkin
Don't you see it?

I'm not touching league discussions till September, I have had enough with the amount of shift in the WC discussion, have you seen the cesspit there???

[colinistheman]

The reason why Ligue 1 and Bundesliga are seen as not great league is not because there is a top team, but because other teams are not doing that great. Dortmund did alright for a season or two, but aside from that, no French team or any German team did good.
Sure Bayern could keep on winning Bundesliga every year, nobody says that makes the league bad, they can win 10 more years in a row. But if we want to consider this league decent, then other teams needs to do well in UEFA competitions as well, otherwise they are all just bad teams.

But it's incorrect to say that their leagues are of a low level. The Bundesliga is an acceptable and relatively high level, not to mention Ligue 1, where the undisputed champion, PSG, has emerged. The thing is, these teams are far superior to their leagues; that is, the other teams haven't yet been able to reach those levels. But if teams like PSG and Bayern can do it in the Bundesliga, the other teams must assume greater expenses and investments to become more competitive.

Hmm, I agree with you. Bayern are always very good at monopolizing their own territory. But the rest of the German club get into trouble when they go to the European stage. Just like PSG in Ligue 1, they are outclassed by everyone with their money. Similarly the gap between them and the rest of Europe is a living fact.

The upper authority in the circles around Dortmund and Leverkusen should be a little more concerned about these issues. Because until they invest enough, it is not possible to see a completely equal fight on this board.

[len01]

At present Bayern's dominance will be very difficult to overthrow even though Dortmund are often said to be rivals to Bayern but we know the conditions of the two clubs in financial terms are clearly very far away. The difference is also increasingly felt for Bayern who always implement a scheme of transferring players from clubs under them including Dortmund, Leverkusen and Leipzig so that when there is an increase in performance at the club they will lose their momentum again due to the sale of players to Bayern.

If Dortmund really wanted to, they could be a strong rival to Bayern. Financially, I don't think the gap between them is as huge as many people make it out to be. Dortmund also have a clear advantage when it comes to developing high quality young talent. Unfortunately, it often feels like Dortmund aren't truly focused on competing for titles and are more concerned with the business side of things. So in my opinion, it's not just about finances, their priorities and long term objectives seem to be different.

[red4slash]

At present Bayern's dominance will be very difficult to overthrow even though Dortmund are often said to be rivals to Bayern but we know the conditions of the two clubs in financial terms are clearly very far away. The difference is also increasingly felt for Bayern who always implement a scheme of transferring players from clubs under them including Dortmund, Leverkusen and Leipzig so that when there is an increase in performance at the club they will lose their momentum again due to the sale of players to Bayern.

If Dortmund really wanted to, they could be a strong rival to Bayern. Financially, I don't think the gap between them is as huge as many people make it out to be. Dortmund also have a clear advantage when it comes to developing high quality young talent. Unfortunately, it often feels like Dortmund aren't truly focused on competing for titles and are more concerned with the business side of things. So in my opinion, it's not just about finances, their priorities and long term objectives seem to be different.

Because as I said before some clubs in the bundesliga including Dortmund, Leipzig and Leverkusen they only try to make the players as a source of profit and in the last decade alone we can see how many players who came from Dortmund and Leipzig moved to Bayern and the most phenomenal was probably Lewa who even became one of the players who are considered legends at Bayern for now.

It shows that winning doesn't seem to matter much to some clubs but they have a vested interest in the profits from selling players who are considered more lucrative in terms of business.
Dortmund have more of a chance of competing if they have the players and manage to keep the players they have but that doesn't seem to be very attractive to them.

Interestingly their fans aren't too noisy about trophies either and that's what I appreciate about Bundesliga fans.

[W Jr.]

At present Bayern's dominance will be very difficult to overthrow even though Dortmund are often said to be rivals to Bayern but we know the conditions of the two clubs in financial terms are clearly very far away. The difference is also increasingly felt for Bayern who always implement a scheme of transferring players from clubs under them including Dortmund, Leverkusen and Leipzig so that when there is an increase in performance at the club they will lose their momentum again due to the sale of players to Bayern.

If Dortmund really wanted to, they could be a strong rival to Bayern. Financially, I don't think the gap between them is as huge as many people make it out to be. Dortmund also have a clear advantage when it comes to developing high quality young talent. Unfortunately, it often feels like Dortmund aren't truly focused on competing for titles and are more concerned with the business side of things. So in my opinion, it's not just about finances, their priorities and long term objectives seem to be different.

We all suspect Borussia Dortmund is focused on selling players. They've been saying this for years. Furthermore, many world-class star players have played for Borussia Dortmund. Lewandowski and Bellingham are prime examples. If they wanted to compete with Bayern Munich, they would do it. But I think the team's priority is making money.

[wmaurik]

instead we should take a step back and think that the German championship also deserves respect, there are many great teams, it is clear that people do not always consider it a top championship like the premier league but there are always excellent matches that make very strong teams go to Europe.

The Bundesliga is indeed an exciting competition and has a large fan base, so it shouldn't be taken for granted. Because, as you said, several teams in the Bundesliga frequently qualify for European competitions like the Champions League and Europa League. Therefore, teams in the Bundesliga are often wary of teams from other leagues, especially Bayern Munich, who often dominate the Bundesliga and often trouble their opponents in the Champions League.

[Altryist]

If Dortmund really wanted to, they could be a strong rival to Bayern. Financially, I don't think the gap between them is as huge as many people make it out to be. Dortmund also have a clear advantage when it comes to developing high quality young talent. Unfortunately, it often feels like Dortmund aren't truly focused on competing for titles and are more concerned with the business side of things. So in my opinion, it's not just about finances, their priorities and long term objectives seem to be different.

I think Borussia Dortmund's desire alone wouldn't be enough. I'm sure they've tried to challenge Bayern for the title on numerous occasions, but it's not that easy. And to compete with Bayern, you need a huge financial investment. Borussia Dortmund's strategy, is built on a slightly different foundation. The core of their team remains: they scout out young talent, nurture it, and sell it to other teams.

[free-bit.co.in]

But it's incorrect to say that their leagues are of a low level. The Bundesliga is an acceptable and relatively high level, not to mention Ligue 1, where the undisputed champion, PSG, has emerged. The thing is, these teams are far superior to their leagues; that is, the other teams haven't yet been able to reach those levels. But if teams like PSG and Bayern can do it in the Bundesliga, the other teams must assume greater expenses and investments to become more competitive.

I can not agree with you. Both these leagues are called peasant leagues. And there is a good reason for that. Ligue 1 club PSG has won the champions league. That is commendable. But apart from PSG, no other team in Ligue 1 is strong. Two teams from ligue 1 qualify for the champions league. But have we seen any other team in the round of 16 apart from PSG ? The bundesliga scenario is similar. Munich is very strong. But the other teams are far behind. Clubs should be more expensive and strengthen their squads. Otherwise ligue 1 and bundesliga will not be competitive. We will see the dominance of PSG and munich every season.

[Danica22]

I think Borussia Dortmund's desire alone wouldn't be enough. I'm sure they've tried to challenge Bayern for the title on numerous occasions, but it's not that easy. And to compete with Bayern, you need a huge financial investment. Borussia Dortmund's strategy, is built on a slightly different foundation. The core of their team remains: they scout out young talent, nurture it, and sell it to other teams.

Dortmund's target was never to win the title. They want to keep their performance stable. Dortmund's main goal is to find young players and  sell them at high prices. They have been able to produce some incredibly talented players. In this  regard, they have certainly succeeded. But if dortmund had produced a squad  suitable  for winning the title, the bundesliga would have become more competitive. There is still no squad in the bundesliga that can resist bayern munich.

[M47AK16]

I don't rate the Germany league as I would rate the other leagues, since there is no compentitor to stand Bayern Munich. The league is a farmers league. It is yet to start but 90% of the football fans will choose Bayern to win the Bundesliga. Harry Kane has found himself in a position where he wiukd win multiple trophies.

You know that for every season the bookie only provided odds 1.1x or sometimes below to Bayern munich for championship which mean everybody know who is the champion of every season in Bundesliga even before the league started.

I think the federation should do something to make Bundesliga to be more competitive for upcoming season because if in the next 10 season Bayern still dominate this league i am sure the fans will be bored and Bundesliga will be abandoned by fans.

And yet, on the year Leverkusen won, they were not given any decent odds to win, maybe not as low as Leicester season lol, but it was still not expected and the whole world expected Bayern Munich to win that year as well. So if you wagered for Leverkusen to win the league for the past 10 years, while people would have called you a mad men lol, you would have still profited. Hence, that's why Bayern gets those odds, because while it's likely that they would win, just one loss could wipe out all your income from it.

[mv1986]

Guys I really have to bring in @stompix, he is the one who has a brain of steel and a gastrointestinal tract covered with Kevlar that allows him to dissect and digest your posts without dying from a stroke or from either diarrhoea or constipation and make a final verdict... ^{(fucking lol)}

Why are you doing this to me?
Like seriously, I thought the Bundesliga was over, the news from transfers should be in the other topic, this thing should be dead or if it's still crawling with insects of the netherworld, let them eat each other in peace in some sort of Japanese cursed kodoku.

Now you made me read that....why, besides it's so simple
not in form > informed > deformed > handicapped > red card > picasso > sagrada familla > 8-2 > union barkin
Don't you see it?

I'm not touching league discussions till September, I have had enough with the amount of shift in the WC discussion, have you seen the cesspit there???

@stompix I will be straight up honest with you: from the lengthy talks we had, I had the impression you can't hide your inner fire burning for intellectual sadomasochism. It is ok, no need to hide it and secretly sneak through the forum's smartest places like the Bundesliga Prediction Thread only to please your uncontrollable desires for the utmost form of headache you can inflict on yourself on this planet. We are in this together, I feel I have the same tendency

I know this sounds very romantic and in some way it is. My smile couldn't be any brighter while I am typing these words of enlightenment, freeing words that are now no more a burden on my shoulders.

Union barikin!

[kennycryptoitalia]

I cannot agree any less because I honestly enjoyed that game more than every other champions league games of the season, I got my best thrill of the season in that game and it had very formed of entertainment and seriousness at same time. Both teams were at their peak,  they played without any reservations but witl all they have got. Even when they knew one person has to be eliminated, they still were not as conservative as Arsenal did till they got to the finals,  Bayern Munich against PSG was the thrill of the champions league for me.

the emotion certainly wasn't the best, the final was a bit boring, but this doesn't change the result, the team with the best players who performed well won, Paris Saint-Germain however is always a great team and they won deservedly as always there wasn't another team more intelligent than them.

[Stormisover]

The reason why Ligue 1 and Bundesliga are seen as not great league is not because there is a top team, but because other teams are not doing that great. Dortmund did alright for a season or two, but aside from that, no French team or any German team did good.

Sure Bayern could keep on winning Bundesliga every year, nobody says that makes the league bad, they can win 10 more years in a row. But if we want to consider this league decent, then other teams needs to do well in UEFA competitions as well, otherwise they are all just bad teams.

But it's incorrect to say that their leagues are of a low level. The Bundesliga is an acceptable and relatively high level, not to mention Ligue 1, where the undisputed champion, PSG, has emerged. The thing is, these teams are far superior to their leagues; that is, the other teams haven't yet been able to reach those levels. But if teams like PSG and Bayern can do it in the Bundesliga, the other teams must assume greater expenses and investments to become more competitive.

Left with me I'd still say those Leagues are still of low level, despite being counted as the European top five leagues, I think that consideration is based on the country performance from maybe anything global, because deep down there are lots of leagues that is more competitive than these leagues, just imagine a particular team dominating a league that is considered to be that big for a decade, and you still expect everyone to see it as a high level league, now apart from Bayern Munich and Paris Saint Germain, which other teams can you point at that is outstanding, just the same way you can point at the English premier League, Spanish La Liga, and the Italian Seria A, to me they are still of a low level.