Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[giorgione]

At the time Bayer Leverkusen won the Bundesliga league title, they did not win the league by having a similar or higher market value than Bayern Munich, a team will succeed if the players are good, sometimes it doesn't need to be the costliest players from the transfer window that will help win the league, finding the right player for every position and a good substitute is all a team needs to win the league.

Bayer Leverkusen won the championship because a number of things gave them an advantage, namely an extremely competent and determined coach and a group of young boys who were united and who had played the team game that was needed to give them confidence to win matches convincingly.

[MAAManda]

It’s a pity you didn’t write down a single number in your reasoning At the moment, bookmakers rate the teams' chances as follows:

1.35 - 5.40 - 7.80

The odds look fair, so I have no desire to place a bet here. Historically, Dortmund is always liable to drop points unexpectedly, but I don't want to try and bank on that happening. Maybe if I see opportunities in live, I'll place a bet, and maybe this game is suitable for a multi-bet boost, but only if you bet on, for example, Dortmund Double Chance. BTTS hardly makes sense, Dortmund have a good defense and I'm not sure that if everything goes as expected Werder will be able to score a goal.

You didn't follow the flow of the discussion, so you missed that. Prior to the post you quoted, I had already made another post showing the odds for 1X2 & BTTS bets. You can find it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159912.msg67203913#msg67203913

A unique aspect of this match is the BTTS bet, as it comes with unusual chance. In their recent H2H, Werder Bremen failed to score a single goal, yet bookmakers are now highly confident that they will manage to score at least once.

[pippoinzaghi]

I know that Werder Bremen club is no match to Broussia Dortmund with there recent squad but that doesn't mean that Broussia Dortmund should still underestimate the club, so if Broussia Dortmund carry the mindset of seeing this match as a work over match, believe me that, Werder Bremen club can surprise the world by drawing Broussia Dortmund, because i just checked statistics on their passed records and i noticed that Werder Bremen has drawn with Broussia Dortmund two times and Broussia Dortmund was able to win Werder Bremen three times, so since Broussia Dortmund is a favourable team for people bet on, is not a bad idea of predicting the match over 1.5 or win either half.

Until a few years ago, Verder Bremen was a very respectable team, which then, with the passage of time, lost some of its quality. But until a few years ago it was a team that always competed for the top of the table, which only recently has become a team that is no longer so fearsome.

[Nwadiche]

It’s a pity you didn’t write down a single number in your reasoning   At the moment, bookmakers rate the teams' chances as follows:

1.35 - 5.40 - 7.80

The odds look fair, so I have no desire to place a bet here. Historically, Dortmund is always liable to drop points unexpectedly, but I don't want to try and bank on that happening. Maybe if I see opportunities in live, I'll place a bet, and maybe this game is suitable for a multi-bet boost, but only if you bet on, for example, Dortmund Double Chance. BTTS hardly makes sense, Dortmund have a good defense and I'm not sure that if everything goes as expected Werder will be able to score a goal.

I just rechecked those odds that was given to them by bookmakers, and I've noticed most of the odds have reduced just within few days to the matches. Between Dortmund and Werder Bremen of the odds all almost the same thing, from what I'm seeing staking on Dortmund winning the game could be a risky one, since the odds is not stable i think the best way is to bet Dortmund to win either half, just as you said they always dropped points which we don't know they might draw this match.

[Rockson1]

They didn't just give it up, they focused on the bag and sold off most of their players that made it happen immediately Alonso left. Bayern Minich are consistent champions because they focus on recruiting quality players that can get them trophies, but the others, including Dortmund are more interested in increasing the market value of their players and selling them off for profit. I don't still see any challenger to Bayern in Bundesliga, unless their approach to team management changes.

This is the problem with other bundesliga teams, and how will they think that they can compete with a team that prepares ahead of the league resumption every season, Leverkusen messed up, they did the harm to themselves, how will a team that understand that to win a trophy, your team must have the quality players to do the job, seek the must important players in the club, what's were they thinking, I was not expecting that Leverkusen will drop after winning the bundesliga title last 2 season, of course Bayern has no strong rivals that can match their strength in the German bundesliga as other teams are not doing enough to snatch the title from them anytime soon.

[Emjay24]

This is the problem with other bundesliga teams, and how will they think that they can compete with a team that prepares ahead of the league resumption every season, Leverkusen messed up, they did the harm to themselves, how will a team that understand that to win a trophy, your team must have the quality players to do the job, seek the must important players in the club, what's were they thinking, I was not expecting that Leverkusen will drop after winning the bundesliga title last 2 season, of course Bayern has no strong rivals that can match their strength in the German bundesliga as other teams are not doing enough to snatch the title from them anytime soon.

I think they did what was in their best interest. Maybe they needed the finances more than the consecutive trophy. The trophy prize is roughly €80 million while they made €200 million to €262 million from the sale of their prominent players and their net profit rose to €133 million, if they wanted the trophy for the second season, they would've invested more, maybe they had their reason to choose profits over trophy.

[GIF-JOBS]

The Germany Bundesliga League are usually quite boring when it comes to the team on winning the title as Bayern Munich are highly likely to be the winner of the trophy again. The team qualities between Bayern Munich and other Germany football teams are quite wide in range and hopefully Borussia Dortmund could be a strong competitor to compete with Bayern Munich for the title this season. With 4 wins in a row for Borussia Dortmund, I believe the chances for Borussia Dortmund to continue their winning streaks are high as Werder Bremen will be missing quite a number of key players in this upcoming match.

But Borussia Dortmund often stumble in matches where they should be playing confidently and picking up wins. Bayern are currently just two points behind Dortmund, so I think they'll be determined to win. As for Dortmund, I also think they should beat Werder at home, but Dortmund are the kind of team that can drop points in any match. If you take both Dortmund and Bayern to win this round, the odds on that parlay would be 1.6, I think that's pretty decent.

I also expecting in this match a strong win for Borussia Dortmund, they are in great form, and they have been playing undefeated since the starting of the league, and they will not want to lose this top position easily, and if they want to stop Bayern Munich from going to the top, they will have to win the match at any cost, since there is currently only a two-point gap between them, so if Borussia Dortmund keeps losing points now, Bayern Munich can use this opportunity very well and they will go to the top by winning the match. However, their opponent in this match is not strong, and so Borussia Dortmund's victory in this match is very expected and I think they will be able to win naturally, and at the same time Bayern Munich will also win very well. And it seems natural that both teams will win the next two matches, but the rest will be seen in the match.

[Baki202]

Bayer Leverkusen won the championship because a number of things gave them an advantage, namely an extremely competent and determined coach and a group of young boys who were united and who had played the team game that was needed to give them confidence to win matches convincingly.

Aside from that, does that have what it takes to win then? Leverkusen was able to take advantage, and they were able to win, but another thing now is that since Kiompany came to Bayern Munich, Leverkusen has not smelled the title again, and they are even trying, but Bayern Munich are just something else, and there is no way we are going to commend the performance of Leverkusen. After all, they have even sacked some coaches because they just want to win.

And if they continue to put in more effort, they should be able to win because one of the tricks that will make things easy is how consistent you are and, at the same time, how you can gather enough points, because that way things are done, and that is why they are always doing everything possible for them to be able to gather as many points as they can get. After all, that is the only way they can even get their dream of winning the trophy.

[Primark]

After Bayern Leverkusen won the Bundesliga i was thinking that the league will have a new experience but the following season they still gave it up for Bayern Munich. If the other teams want to win the Bundesliga they should invest in their teams and sign quality players.

They didn't just give it up, they focused on the bag and sold off most of their players that made it happen immediately Alonso left. Bayern Minich are consistent champions because they focus on recruiting quality players that can get them trophies, but the others, including Dortmund are more interested in increasing the market value of their players and selling them off for profit. I don't still see any challenger to Bayern in Bundesliga, unless their approach to team management changes.

Leverkusen gradually lost many of their important players after becoming champions. But it's not that the whole team fell apart right after winning the title. Alonso stayed for another season, the big change came later. The balance in that team was lost a lot, which was bound to happen. Because important players like Florian Wirtz, Frimpong, Tah, Xhaka, Hradecky left that team. But if you look at Bayern, you will see that they bring a difference. I mean, if they lose big players, they quickly bring good replacements, so they can be competitive year after year.

But no matter what you say, I will not be so quick to get excited and say that Bayern has no challengers. You know Dortmund, they have won all of their first four matches. Which puts them above Bayern for now. I am not deciding the title winner by looking at four matches, but rather I want to point out that Dortmund may be giving a challenge.

[RaltcoinsB]

The Germany Bundesliga League are usually quite boring when it comes to the team on winning the title as Bayern Munich are highly likely to be the winner of the trophy again. The team qualities between Bayern Munich and other Germany football teams are quite wide in range and hopefully Borussia Dortmund could be a strong competitor to compete with Bayern Munich for the title this season. With 4 wins in a row for Borussia Dortmund, I believe the chances for Borussia Dortmund to continue their winning streaks are high as Werder Bremen will be missing quite a number of key players in this upcoming match.

But Borussia Dortmund often stumble in matches where they should be playing confidently and picking up wins. Bayern are currently just two points behind Dortmund, so I think they'll be determined to win. As for Dortmund, I also think they should beat Werder at home, but Dortmund are the kind of team that can drop points in any match. If you take both Dortmund and Bayern to win this round, the odds on that parlay would be 1.6, I think that's pretty decent.

I also expecting in this match a strong win for Borussia Dortmund, they are in great form, and they have been playing undefeated since the starting of the league, and they will not want to lose this top position easily, and if they want to stop Bayern Munich from going to the top, they will have to win the match at any cost, since there is currently only a two-point gap between them, so if Borussia Dortmund keeps losing points now, Bayern Munich can use this opportunity very well and they will go to the top by winning the match. However, their opponent in this match is not strong, and so Borussia Dortmund's victory in this match is very expected and I think they will be able to win naturally, and at the same time Bayern Munich will also win very well. And it seems natural that both teams will win the next two matches, but the rest will be seen in the match.

I don't think we'll see any change in the gap between the two teams this week I expect both of them to win their matches. Both Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund will secure three points this week. I would be quite surprised if either of these teams dropped points, as their opponents are weak and significantly less powerful than they are.

[Son Of Blockchain (SOB)]

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This is the problem with other bundesliga teams, and how will they think that they can compete with a team that prepares ahead of the league resumption every season, Leverkusen messed up, they did the harm to themselves, how will a team that understand that to win a trophy, your team must have the quality players to do the job, seek the must important players in the club, what's were they thinking, I was not expecting that Leverkusen will drop after winning the bundesliga title last 2 season, of course Bayern has no strong rivals that can match their strength in the German bundesliga as other teams are not doing enough to snatch the title from them anytime soon.

I agree with your point about Leverkusen, they really messed up, after winning the trophy few seasons ago, i expected them to maintain that energy by strengthening their team to the point of constantly challenging Bayern Munich every season but they sold almost all their quality players and replaced them with inexperienced ones.
 Challenging Bayern requires same energy they give to their team and if other clubs are not ready to spend and build their team with quality players then Bayern would continue to be invisible.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

 I agree with your point about Leverkusen, they really messed up, after winning the trophy few seasons ago, i expected them to maintain that energy by strengthening their team to the point of constantly challenging Bayern Munich every season but they sold almost all their quality players and replaced them with inexperienced ones.
 Challenging Bayern requires same energy they give to their team and if other clubs are not ready to spend and build their team with quality players then Bayern would continue to be invisible.

It's hard to maintain the energy when your best players get bought by some bigger teams and also your coach gets lured to Real Madrid, just to get sacked not too long later.
I mean the writing was on the wall after that miracle season. Losing so many key figures is hard to underestimate and even with some money coming in for them it's very hard to find substitutes for them with the same quality but a cheaper price tag. Also, Bayern doesn't lose back to back, they always make sure of that by either buying some key players from the champion or get some talent from somewhere else. Heck, they even tried to get Xabi Alonso to come to Bayern and coach for them, that's how hard the ego was insulted after Leverkusen spanked them that year. 

[Ahli38]

It’s a pity you didn’t write down a single number in your reasoning   At the moment, bookmakers rate the teams' chances as follows:

1.35 - 5.40 - 7.80

The odds look fair, so I have no desire to place a bet here. Historically, Dortmund is always liable to drop points unexpectedly, but I don't want to try and bank on that happening. Maybe if I see opportunities in live, I'll place a bet, and maybe this game is suitable for a multi-bet boost, but only if you bet on, for example, Dortmund Double Chance. BTTS hardly makes sense, Dortmund have a good defense and I'm not sure that if everything goes as expected Werder will be able to score a goal.

I just rechecked those odds that was given to them by bookmakers, and I've noticed most of the odds have reduced just within few days to the matches. Between Dortmund and Werder Bremen of the odds all almost the same thing, from what I'm seeing staking on Dortmund winning the game could be a risky one, since the odds is not stable i think the best way is to bet Dortmund to win either half, just as you said they always dropped points which we don't know they might draw this match.

The odds available for the Dortmund vs. Werder Bremen match have changed only slightly. The low odds for Dortmund indicate that they are heavy favorites over their opponents. Dortmund statistically also appears to be the stronger team compared to Werder Bremen based on their last two head-to-head meetings in which Dortmund managed to defeat Werder Bremen both at home and on the road. And this upcoming match will take place at Dortmund’s home stadium Signal Iduna Park. So I personally think that Dortmund is well-deserving of being the favorite based on those reasons. Dortmund has also performed brilliantly so far by having accumulated 12 points through four consecutive wins. And that makes me confident that Dortmund is definitely on a roll and even will be able to maintain their position at the top of the standings by winning this upcoming game. I'm sure we'll see Dortmund score the opening goal in the first half just like last season's matchup in Round 17.

[KTChampions]

It’s a pity you didn’t write down a single number in your reasoning At the moment, bookmakers rate the teams' chances as follows:

1.35 - 5.40 - 7.80

The odds look fair, so I have no desire to place a bet here. Historically, Dortmund is always liable to drop points unexpectedly, but I don't want to try and bank on that happening. Maybe if I see opportunities in live, I'll place a bet, and maybe this game is suitable for a multi-bet boost, but only if you bet on, for example, Dortmund Double Chance. BTTS hardly makes sense, Dortmund have a good defense and I'm not sure that if everything goes as expected Werder will be able to score a goal.

You didn't follow the flow of the discussion, so you missed that. Prior to the post you quoted, I had already made another post showing the odds for 1X2 & BTTS bets. You can find it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159912.msg67203913#msg67203913

A unique aspect of this match is the BTTS bet, as it comes with unusual chance. In their recent H2H, Werder Bremen failed to score a single goal, yet bookmakers are now highly confident that they will manage to score at least once.

My bad! Still, when discussing changes in price quotes, it would be a good idea to state the figures right there in the post - after all, you can't assume everyone remembers what you wrote six days ago  By the way, the quotes barely changed, if at all, right?
There is one thing I didn't understand:

Based on the odds above, honestly, I have no doubt that Borussia Dortmund will fail to get 3 points.

Why did you bet on Dortmund if you have no doubt they’ll drop points? This is either a typo, or you have some kind of clever strategy that I would like to get acquainted with  As for BTTS, it is actually the most popular outcome regardless of anything, especially in the Bundesliga, but it is quoted weakly (1.59 in this case) and it is not worth the risk imo.

[Davidloki]

But Borussia Dortmund often stumble in matches where they should be playing confidently and picking up wins. Bayern are currently just two points behind Dortmund, so I think they'll be determined to win. As for Dortmund, I also think they should beat Werder at home, but Dortmund are the kind of team that can drop points in any match. If you take both Dortmund and Bayern to win this round, the odds on that parlay would be 1.6, I think that's pretty decent.

Borussia Dortmund's consistency has always being an issue for them, and that has being the reason why they have not won the league for over a decade now. Even when Bayern Munich is 2-0 down, there is still hope that they would come back, that's the mentality that the team has built in the long run to stay consistent.

The Champions league have a few favorites this season and appears to be more competitive than the previous season, with the Ballom D'or by the corner we should be seeing some extraordinary results from top stars.

[Gost ms]

They didn't just give it up, they focused on the bag and sold off most of their players that made it happen immediately Alonso left. Bayern Minich are consistent champions because they focus on recruiting quality players that can get them trophies, but the others, including Dortmund are more interested in increasing the market value of their players and selling them off for profit. I don't still see any challenger to Bayern in Bundesliga, unless their approach to team management changes.

Looking at the performance and progress of each team in the Bundesliga, it seems that they are pushing Bayern Munich to win and they will not compete in any way. I am not saying that Bayern Munich is not a strong team, Bayern Munich is definitely a very strong team, but the other teams in the Bundesliga are not competing much to win trophies or to compete with Bayern Munich and they do not seem to be interested in this, given the current situation. If there were a few more teams in the Bundesliga who were strong and had the ability to compete hard with Munich, the Bundesliga would have become a more exciting league.

[MAAManda]

Why did you bet on Dortmund if you have no doubt they’ll drop points? This is either a typo, or you have some kind of clever strategy that I would like to get acquainted with 

There was no clever strategy or anything of the sort involved, it was purely a typing error within the context of the match odds. I think you're smart enough to straighten out some crooked things, no one doubts a team with low odds, as it implies they have bigger winning chance, thanks for the correction. It should be like this:

Based on the odds above, honestly, I have no doubt that Borussia Dortmund will fail to get 3 points.

[bangjoe]

At the time Bayer Leverkusen won the Bundesliga league title, they did not win the league by having a similar or higher market value than Bayern Munich, a team will succeed if the players are good, sometimes it doesn't need to be the costliest players from the transfer window that will help win the league, finding the right player for every position and a good substitute is all a team needs to win the league.

Bayer Leverkusen won the championship because a number of things gave them an advantage, namely an extremely competent and determined coach and a group of young boys who were united and who had played the team game that was needed to give them confidence to win matches convincingly.

At that time it was clear Bayern Munich were much more expensive than Leverkusen, Leverkusen players were expensive because they won the league title and also had a good history of winning unbeaten even in the europa League, and yes they won because their momentum was very good, with talented young players and also with a coach who was having good ambitions and the strategy of the game was not easy for the enemy to guess at that time, so speaking of expensive players or not it doesn't really matter in my opinion, see how expensive The Real Madrid team is going smoothly? of course not!

[lodocus]

The odds on Dortmund winning are really quite low. I understand why they’re set that way since they’re first in the league, but I wouldn’t call a Dortmund win a sure thing. In their last four matches against Werder Bremen, they’ve had two draws and two wins. The odds on a Dortmund win are currently around 1.30–1.40, and I don’t think it’s worth the risk.

[Shadiq]

The odds on Dortmund winning are really quite low. I understand why they’re set that way since they’re first in the league, but I wouldn’t call a Dortmund win a sure thing. In their last four matches against Werder Bremen, they’ve had two draws and two wins. The odds on a Dortmund win are currently around 1.30–1.40, and I don’t think it’s worth the risk.

Dortmund's recent form and home advantage mean they are somewhat certain to win, but as football is an uncertain game, we cannot guarantee a win right now. Werder have the ability to fight and they might be able to give Dortmund a hard time, but winning the match will be very difficult for them.

The biggest thing is that Dortmund will not want to lose the match at home against a relatively weak team, they will try to win as much as possible and try to be aggressive from the start. But success is still uncertain, the outcome of the match is also uncertain.