[WTB] BTC with verified PayPal for +-$100

[RustyNomad]

Paypalbusters,

You really do not want this matter resolved do you. I've posted my proposal which I think is more than fair and you said 'sure' so I assumed you accepted that yet nothing is forthcoming from you. I've asked several times for your cooperation to get this resolved in an amicable manner but you just never make any effort to do so.

Have you provided your Paypal details to Monbux yet as you offered to do several times? I know he contacted you for it.

To date I have provided solid proof that I've sent the payment to you and you have confirmed that you received it. Everything you posted has essentially confirmed what I've said thus far.

The main question that remains unanswered is whether you withdrew the funds from your Paypal account before you closed it and or whether Paypal actually managed to place a hold on the funds. We have no proof of that whatsoever as your account was conveniently closed. I spoke to Paypal yesterday and anybody is welcome to contact them and ask them, they do not close accounts, not even if there are suspicions and or proof of fraud. They will however freeze the account but never close it. They cannot go and delete an account, then all the proof and records are gone, just think about that one a bit.

So you saying that Paypal closed your account is not true. You still have your account details, give it to Mobux as you offered so that he can either login and or recover the account and then provide proof that the funds are either in that account and on hold and or that it has been received and moved.

If you cannot provide that then I'm afraid there is little else to believe but that you managed to get the funds out. You keep on saying the funds were on hold yet you have provided no proof of this. When you received the funds Paypal would have emailed you to state that you received funds but that it was on hold.

You have so far provided absolutely no proof of Paypal closing/deleting your account as well as no proof of the funds being on hold at the time you received it.

[RustyNomad]

Just received this from Paypal....

Thank you for contacting PayPal.

Because your account security is our top priority, we fully investigated your Unauthorized Account Use Claim. We've determined that the payment is not a case of unauthorized account activity, and as a result your claim has been denied.

If there was a billing agreement linked to this payment, we have cancelled it.
If you'd like a copy of the documentation we used in the investigation of your unauthorized account activity case, please send a letter to:

PayPal, Inc.
Attn: Unauthorized Account Access Appeal
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145
USA

So my transaction is through and cannot be reversed or rather Paypal will not be reversing it. That means the only way to get my money back will be if Paypalbusters notify Paypal that the transaction should be reversed and or if he does it on his Paypal account.

He will most probably again come and state here that he no longer has the account which is a load of nonsense as I already explained and even if so why is he still refusing to provide those account details to Monbux like I did with my account?

So at this stage:

1) According to paypal the transaction has gone through and will not be reversed.
2) There is no hold on that transaction as Paypal has completed everything in regards to that transaction so Paypalbusters have my funds.
3) His claims that Paypal deleted his account is bogus as Paypal does not do that. They will freeze an account or set it to 'Limited' status so that you cannot transact from it but they will never just delete an account.
4) I've given my Paypal account details to Monbux and he confirmed my payments and the fact that no reversal was made, he can check it again at any time.
5) Paypalbusters have offered to provide his Paypal details to Monbux on several occasions but has to date not done so.
6) Paypalbusters keeps on claiming that there was a hold on the funds when it was sent but we have no proof of that.

So believe what you want but this guy is a scammer, end of story. All he does is mouth off here about how he has been scammed yet we have no proof of that. Go back and look at everything he has uploaded. Essentially everything he has said and done so far only confirmed the fact that he actually did receive the funds. Also, so far he has done nothing to try and resolve this issue.

I'm done, this is a waste of time. I'll accept the fact that I've been scammed. Well done Paypalbusters, another notch in your scamming stick.

[monbux]

You dont have any rights to share in any way my details, emails and others things that are personal, i was already a gentleman with you, please dont force my hand otherwise i will go further with this.

First of all i am not the "scammer", a short story about this is:

1. I contacted him for the deal
2. He accepted the deal
3. he sended the funds to me ( btw i payed also the transaction fees, idk how much it was...anyway a few cents )
4. He confirmed that he sended the payment.
5. I accepted the payment like i accept any other payments for Goods or Services ( ACCEPT or DECLINE, i know that family and friends is instant you dont need to accept it or to deny it but anyway...i am stupid and rusty is inteligent )
6. I confirmed that i received the payment but in the same time i notified him that the payment is in pending for 21 days without any logical reason by my side.
7. After i notified him i asked him if he can wait a few seconds to see if the hold will dissapear, the proofs are the private messages on bitcointalk.
8. He agree too wait a little but not too much because he need to go idk where...he is running out of time and now he has enouth time to make this thread 9 pages long...lol
9. I checked back my paypal, atleast i tryed to check it and i figured out that my username or password is wrong ( the truth was that the paypal was CLOSED )
10. I contacted paypal and still didnt received any kind of response ( he say that paypal contacted me and i didnt answered them...bullshit )
11. Today i received from paypal a Unauthorised claim filled by him again me for that sended amount of paypal funds ( proofs attached in this thread )
12. Finish.

Conclusion: I dont have his money, i dont have my paypal acount anymore and i will dont send him the BTC because i dont have any reason to do that.
In this deal i just losed more that i was able to lose ( time, paypal account )


Maybe here i can find a inteligent person to think a little...if i scammed him why the fuck i didnt leaved the things how they are and registered a new account and scam again other people? Simple, because i didn`t doed anything wrong, he refused escrow and he wanted to go first...i was ok with his decision because yeyyyy!!! i dont need to pay the escrow anymore but look...this story still don`t ends, anyway this was the last time when i dealed without escrow.


This was the last time when i replayed to this thread, i dont know what people really think about this situation but in case if he dont stop here i will act legally agains this subject and i am able to show anything

Thank you people, i wish you all a good day and yeah...cheers!

If you're willing to place the funds in escrow, why haven't you yet?  I'd gladly hold the 0.37 BTC.

[RustyNomad]

Hey everybody, guess what, Paypalbusters is back, but not as Paypalbusters but rather as paypalhunter

He's currently busy selling fake Paypal accounts on this very forum...

See this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171991.0

Check the wording etc.. and then go look at the wording etc..on this page http://paypalbusters.com/stealth-paypal-accounts/23-usa-paypal-accounts.html


Do anybody here still think he was scammed by me? This guy knows exactly what he is doing. I'm sure the mods would be able to verify the IP's he's connecting from.

EDIT: Thread deleted, think by the mods. However, the text in that thread was an exact copy of the text on the paypalbusters.com website. This guy clearly knows his way around Paypal accounts.

[csctech07]

cashoutservices https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=388032

is a real scammer...I have trusted him and sent him $200 USD for payoneer....guess what he blocked me on Skype and not answering.....I think I have issues trusting people so fast.......I hope u die soon cashoutservices

[RustyNomad]

Just checked on the progress of the complaint I've put in with Paypal and see that they have sent PaypalBusters another email asking for details on the 8th. There has been no response from him to them, up to now.

If his account was so magically deleted/vaporised would this not have been the ideal time to take it up with them to get it sorted out. Also, he has still not posted anything in regards to what he has done to try and rectify the problem with his account. If the funds were still in his account at the time it was 'apparently' deleted by Paypal do you not think that he would have done something and or at least have tried to do something about it and more, would an honest person not have kept the others up to date on this progress?

Clearly this is not happening and that is because he has already grabbed the money from his account and closed it himself. That is why he is not speaking and or responding to Paypal's requests for information.

If there has been any doubts in your mind about who the scammer is here then clearly his actions over the past week should remove that doubt for you.

Members must be careful, I see that he's still active on the forum but under a different user name. I've picked up one definite one so far namely paypalhunter. I'm sure that by now he has more accounts setup. He posts in threads where people want to buy bitcoin for Paypal but then state that he only accept PM's, he does not post anything else in the thread, most probably because he knows it will be picked up by me or other members.

BtcCrazy1, hope that bounty of yours is still ready and available....

[Trayber]

I never doubted you and realized early on the other guy was likely a scammer.

That said, you should only use reputable sources to buy BTC. I use paypal to buy btc but have a go to guy that charges a small fee. In the past I have resorted to paying very marked up prices on LBC. Why? Because I knew I was dealing with very reputable sellers and the chances of getting scammed were very low.

Another service I use is LibertyX I have local wireless shops around me and I go hand them $50 or $100 in cash whatever and they give a code I redeem and the BTC is instantly in my wallet a minute later. Works great and there is no fees yet.

There was quite a few red flags that should have alerted you almost instantly. The fact this guy runs a website called "paypalbusters" offering shady services should have made you run. Although I've gone to his site and you can't actually check out because when you get to his payments page there is no options for method of payment. You have been here a while you should have known better than to deal with a newbie for a decent chunk of $$. Next time I'm sure you will be much more careful.

It sucks to get scammed, but this guy likely knows what he is doing. The money was probably transferred out as soon as he received it.

I doubt you will get the money returned from PayPal, you sent money for a tangible item therefore you have no purchase protection. So even if you open a did not receive dispute claim they will almost always likely side with the other party.

[RustyNomad]

That said, you should only use reputable sources to buy BTC. I use paypal to buy btc but have a go to guy that charges a small fee. In the past I have resorted to paying very marked up prices on LBC. Why? Because I knew I was dealing with very reputable sellers and the chances of getting scammed were very low.

Agree but this was a once off. I have no need to buy bitcoin as I get paid out in bitcoin. I just wanted to get rid of the money in my Paypal as I have no use for Paypal.

There was quite a few red flags that should have alerted you almost instantly. The fact this guy runs a website called "paypalbusters" offering shady services should have made you run. Although I've gone to his site and you can't actually check out because when you get to his payments page there is no options for method of payment. You have been here a while you should have known better than to deal with a newbie for a decent chunk of $$. Next time I'm sure you will be much more careful.

Agree, all the signs were there, just had to open my eyes but yes, lesson learned.

I doubt you will get the money returned from PayPal, you sent money for a tangible item therefore you have no purchase protection. So even if you open a did not receive dispute claim they will almost always likely side with the other party.

I also doubt it strongly so I've written it off already. Just waiting for their final report which I will post here and will then close the thread and move on.

[Quickseller]

Do you seriously think there is any chance that this is anything other then a scam?

I labeled his account as a scammer ~a week ago, although, my ratings no longer have any significance.

I would strongly advise that you open a scam accusation against this person in order to warn others about this issue.

I would also recommend that you do not make any more trades until you can invest significantly more time into learning about how to protect yourself when dealing with others. It is more then abundantly clear that it would be very easy to scam you, and I do not doubt that many scammers have noticed this.

[RustyNomad]

Do you seriously think there is any chance that this is anything other then a scam?

No I don't but some still think I scammed him.

I would strongly advise that you open a scam accusation against this person in order to warn others about this issue.

What's the use, he has already created new accounts and could also just buy another account. So flagging an account is of little or no use.

I would also recommend that you do not make any more trades until you can invest significantly more time into learning about how to protect yourself when dealing with others. It is more then abundantly clear that it would be very easy to scam you, and I do not doubt that many scammers have noticed this.

I do not trade, as said, I get paid in bitcoin so no reason to trade. This was a once off deal and no its not abundantly clear that I'm a sucker for a scam but rather that I'm willing to accept some risks. This deal was for under a $100 so I was not to worried about escrow and I was fully aware of the implications and thus willing to take the risk. The loss will not kill me and or impact on my life, I spend way more than that this with an evening out so not a big issue money wise.

[RustyNomad]

Just a quick update for those who followed this story.

Paypal came back to me in regards to the transaction in question stating that the payment cannot or will not be reversed. So I'm out of pocket for the funds sent to PaypalBuster. The payment was sent, received and accepted on his side and as far as I can establish the funds has been withdrawn.

Below is the reply received from Paypal.

Thank you for contacting PayPal.
I've reviewed the transaction on your account and I can see that this payment is a ‘Personal’ payment.

Personal payments are not intended for the purchase of goods or services from sellers and therefore cannot be disputed.

Personal payments can be used for the following:
Sending a gift
Sharing a lunch bill
Paying your share of the living expenses
Sending money to friends and family.

As Personal payments are not for the purchase of goods, there is no buyer or seller protection offered on these transactions and as such, a buyer dispute cannot be opened.
Purchase payments are for paying for an item, such as something won on eBay. You can open claims for these payments, as they might be eligible for coverage under PayPal Buyer Protection.

We encourage you to communicate with the seller to resolve the problem.
Please let me know if you need further assistance.

Sincerely,

If you make use of Paypal to buy bitcoin then take note of this message. If the payment was sent as a personal payment then Paypal will not reverse it should you be scammed.

[RustyNomad]

Thread locked.