Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust?

[mtnsaa]

It depends what you define by ponzi or scams, many sites seem legit and then with time you learn that they were just growing a base to scam people. Even casino and exchanges have done this in Bitcoin world and I don't think campaigners should held responsible. Actual ponzi schemes or HYIP that are too obvious won't waste time with signature campaigns since they will be gone in less than a month.

[Shield]

So if scammer make reasonable rates (Ore-mine, CloudMining.website) can make signature campaign, but when scammer make not reasonable rates can't.

a good guide for the future scammers.

Its not about signature payout rates but about signature campaign of any known ponzi,when you know its ponzi you shouldn't promote this.

[RodeoX]

I do make an exception for a ponzi that calls itself a ponzi. For a ponzi to be a scam the operator must be deceptive about the source of the payouts. If they are upfront about the fact that payouts are paid from the income of new accounts as they join, then there is nothing really hidden and one could consider it a kind of game or gamble.

However most of these are scams and try calling players "investors". That's like investing in blackjack  .
Or the operator may say he can double your money based on his special algorithm or other such nonsense.

[winspiral]

So if scammer make reasonable rates (Ore-mine, CloudMining.website) can make signature campaign, but when scammer make not reasonable rates can't.

a good guide for the future scammers.

Its not about signature payout rates but about signature campaign of any known ponzi,when you know its ponzi you shouldn't promote this.

I have been negative trusted for this link in my signature:
http://bitcoin.winspiral.net

They said: it is a ponzi.
I said: it is not a ponzi.
They said: A website with  such an horrible design can only be a ponzi.
I said: (lol)

[mexxer-2]

They said: A website with  such an horrible design can only be a ponzi.

No, Shorena's reasoning was :
You don't inform how you "build up" the interests from the "investments" , and do you have to spam that link at every topic you can?

[kotwica666]

So if scammer make reasonable rates (Ore-mine, CloudMining.website) can make signature campaign, but when scammer make not reasonable rates can't.

a good guide for the future scammers.

Its not about signature payout rates but about signature campaign of any known ponzi,when you know its ponzi you shouldn't promote this.

I'm not talking about sirnature rates. I'm talking about ponzi rates - Ore-mine with normal rates is not scam, but 12dailycoin (or something like that) is scam.

Very interesting way of thinking.. Or i missed something?

I have been negative trusted for this link in my signature:
http://bitcoin.winspiral.net

They said: it is a ponzi.
I said: it is not a ponzi.
They said: A website with  such an horrible design can only be a ponzi.
I said: (lol)

Yes, i remeber this situation.

Who decide what is ponzi, and what is not? If you don't have proof, it is just your justice - nothing more. I thought that law like this was forgotten around 500 years ago..

[mexxer-2]

So if scammer make reasonable rates (Ore-mine, CloudMining.website) can make signature campaign, but when scammer make not reasonable rates can't.

a good guide for the future scammers.

You still don't get it do you? First prove that they are ponzis and maybe DT members will start considering a negative feedback. IIRC, Cloudmining.website(even though I highly suspect its a ponzi) has no evidence of being a ponzi, it once displayed the mining proof with one concern being one of the photos was deleted as it was copied. Honest mistake or shady activity? Not enough "data".
Ore-mine, seems to have a sustainable "ROI" and has not yet suggested any reason for it to go "bankrupt" in a few months,heck they even do ad campaigns (not that I'm suggesting it is actually sustainable)

So before pointing out how DT members are not doing their job, using the "power" that was not given to them for being super-active police ninjas, rather for having good judgement acting only when necessary, try helping them instead of crying " Why are you giving negative to X but not X, its unfair muaaaa!" . For god's sake

[mexxer-2]

I do make an exception for a ponzi that calls itself a ponzi. For a ponzi to be a scam the operator must be deceptive about the source of the payouts. If they are upfront about the fact that payouts are paid from the income of new accounts as they join, then there is nothing really hidden and one could consider it a kind of game or gamble.

"Send me 0.01 BTC , I may return double or nothing. And if I return nothing, you can't give me a negative feedback because I declared you may not get the doubled amount" , don't find any trouble with that logic /sarcasm

[winspiral]

They said: A website with  such an horrible design can only be a ponzi.

No, Shorena's reasoning was :
You don't inform how you "build up" the interests from the "investments" , and do you have to spam that link at every topic you can?

I kept up saying it but he has never read it or if he read it he has not understood.
It is not because if i say something and shorena does not understand and does not believe me that I am a lier and a scammer.

BZW ... so far all investors have been paid with profit.
here I talk about because it is the topic for...
and other where I talk about because the red trust points have to be explain...
because of Shorena I'm taken for an horrible scammer...

[mexxer-2]

BZW ... so far all investors have been paid with profit.
here I talk about because it is the topic for...
and other where I talk about because the red trust points have to be explain...
because of Shorena I'm taken for an horrible scammer...

1) You haven't explained how you are able to maintain the returns, signs of a ponzi
2) If you have tried to, you have not made a good effort, IIRC sho even offered you to first bring someone who spoke the same language as you , but spoke better english than you. Still haven't heard anything about that
3) Shorena/nor I will not be scourging every thread where you seem to have posted an explanation.

[kotwica666]

So if scammer make reasonable rates (Ore-mine, CloudMining.website) can make signature campaign, but when scammer make not reasonable rates can't.

a good guide for the future scammers.

You still don't get it do you? First prove that they are ponzis and maybe DT members will start considering a negative feedback. IIRC, Cloudmining.website(even though I highly suspect its a ponzi) has no evidence of being a ponzi, it once displayed the mining proof with one concern being one of the photos was deleted as it was copied. Honest mistake or shady activity? Not enough "data".
Ore-mine, seems to have a sustainable "ROI" and has not yet suggested any reason for it to go "bankrupt" in a few months,heck they even do ad campaigns (not that I'm suggesting it is actually sustainable)

So before pointing out how DT members are not doing their job, using the "power" that was not given to them for being super-active police ninjas, rather for having good judgement acting only when necessary, try helping them instead of crying " Why are you giving negative to X but not X, its unfair muaaaa!" . For god's sake

I see that you don't get it.

Almost ALL Pnzis let people get ROI at the beginning - I hope you know that? So difference betweet Ore-mine and 12dailycoin is only time of providing and rates.
Any proof of legit from both services - no!

CloudMining.website - no data? one from my few postat about that: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=843417.msg12951556#msg12951556

I'm not poining job of DT members. Im pointin way of thinking.

[mexxer-2]

Almost ALL Pnzis let people get ROI at the beginning - I hope you know that? So difference betweet Ore-mine and 12dailycoin is only time of providing and rates.

You contradict your argument in your own statement .

Any proof of legit from both services - no!

Cloudmining.website has "proof of mining".
Ore-mining supposedly "runs ad-campaigns on the website to make it sustain".

Now go disprove those claims and then come asking for "equality".

Edit: tl;dr version, 12coins is a obvious ponzi while Ore-mining and Cloudmining.website, require extra time/energy to disprove their claims. Hence the difference.

[RodeoX]

I do make an exception for a ponzi that calls itself a ponzi. For a ponzi to be a scam the operator must be deceptive about the source of the payouts. If they are upfront about the fact that payouts are paid from the income of new accounts as they join, then there is nothing really hidden and one could consider it a kind of game or gamble.

"Send me 0.01 BTC , I may return double or nothing. And if I return nothing, you can't give me a negative feedback because I declared you may not get the doubled amount" , don't find any trouble with that logic /sarcasm

lol yeah, it may not be a good idea but look at the link below for something called "open-ponzi". They are not guaranteeing anything and are clear that you get paid as more people join. Assuming the numbers are real they are quite transparent and I would not call it a scam.

https://open-ponzi.com/

[mexxer-2]

lol yeah, it may not be a good idea but look at the link below for something called "open-ponzi". They are not guaranteeing anything and are clear that you get paid as more people join. Assuming the numbers are real they are quite transparent and I would not call it a scam.

https://open-ponzi.com/

Yeah most "open-ponzis" are a joke attempt. I still remember when doog gave a positive trust to someone who declared he was running a ponzi scheme openly.

[winspiral]

BZW ... so far all investors have been paid with profit.
here I talk about because it is the topic for...
and other where I talk about because the red trust points have to be explain...
because of Shorena I'm taken for an horrible scammer...

1) You haven't explained how you are able to maintain the returns, signs of a ponzi
2) If you have tried to, you have not made a good effort, IIRC sho even offered you to first bring someone who spoke the same language as you , but spoke better english than you. Still haven't heard anything about that
3) Shorena/nor I will not be scourging every thread where you seem to have posted an explanation.

you are the same kind of people than Shorena:
yoy invent things about my system and after the bad boy is me...and in reality you are the bad boys because you invent thinks about my system.
Why should i explain how I am able to maintain the return if the only thing I promise is to return the investment.
If you give me 0.01BTC whi should I not be able to return 0.01BTC or more or not more bur never less.
Why are you so unclever to understand this?
Is my English so bad that this is not understandable?

I run faucets and give away faucets for free...
Why should I not be able to give little profit for an investment?
Have you seen somewhere that I have promise a specific profit...no you havesaid:ponzi it's all.

[kotwica666]

Almost ALL Pnzis let people get ROI at the beginning - I hope you know that? So difference betweet Ore-mine and 12dailycoin is only time of providing and rates.

You contradict your argument in your own statement .

Your argument that Ore-mine is legit was that people get ROI there.

Ore-mine, seems to have a sustainable "ROI" and has not yet suggested any reason for it to go "bankrupt" in a few months

and that they don't want bankrupt.

Almost all ponzis get ROI. Please, take a breath and think.

Any proof of legit from both services - no!

Cloudmining.website has "proof of mining".

Please show "proof of mining" from CloudMining.website.

Btw now i should give you red trust that you advertise Ponzi?

Ore-mining supposedly "runs ad-campaigns on the website to make it sustain".

This same want to make 12dailycoins - i don't see differense.

Now go disprove those claims and then come asking for "equality".

Edit: tl;dr version, 12coins is a obvious ponzi while Ore-mining and Cloudmining.website, require extra time/energy to disprove their claims. Hence the difference.

Maybe if 12Dailycoins will have enough time will show this same energy and involvement? Don't you think?

 

[cryptodevil]

Cloudmining.website has "proof of mining".

No it doesn't.

Its shills frequently like to claim that once, in the distance past, it did show proof of mining but that proof is conveniently absent from the internet now, apparently.

cm.w is, at best, fractional mining, but is most likely just a straight ponzi as there is no mining proof at all.

[mexxer-2]

Cloudmining.website has "proof of mining".

No it doesn't.

Its shills frequently like to claim that once, in the distance past, it did show proof of mining but that proof is conveniently absent from the internet now, apparently.

cm.w is, at best, fractional mining, but is most likely just a straight ponzi as there is no mining proof at all.

IK, which is why its in quotes.

[winspiral]

Months ago I was punished...severely punished with 2 negative trust points for my investment system (taken for a ponzi) in my signature:

http://bitcoin.winspiral.net

Since it is always in my signature...but since investors endind 100 days plan have all been paid...

it was the same story for my U2cloudmining system (in my signature too)
Unfortunately the untrusters can not repeat  undefinitely giving negative trust points...

We have learned with this topic that honnest webmasters can be dishonnestly be punished for imaginative believing.

We learn as well that dishonnest negative trust giver can continue to sleep well...(lol)

In fact...what is the most untrustable here is the forum itself...

here on this forum we read so much non-sence about investment that it is even dangerous to read it knowing that the first purpose from a forum is to help members...
if the only often comment is just "it is a ponzi" or he is a scammer" then the members can not detect the truth from the lies...

have a nice day...and be careful...here is writen more non-sense than ponzi...and scammers...(and we know that on the net many scammers and ponzi...exist...

[cryptodevil]

Months ago I was punished...severely punished with 2 negative trust points for my investment system (taken for a ponzi) in my signature:

http://bitcoin.winspiral.net

Since it is always in my signature...but since investors endind 100 days plan have all been paid...

As far as I can see, outside of that horrifically sloppy, barely functional, website of yours, you haven't actually explained where the profit comes from.

Stating that a bunch of investors have all been 'paid' is not proof that you're not using new investors money to repay old.

If you cannot explain how an 'investor' is earning money through your site then it has to be assumed you are not running a legitimate operation.