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June 23, 2017, 10:02:13 PM
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say foR example this month ripple has 400 million coins, it averages 300 million a month, is that a scam. the people investing don't really understand it but get caught up in the hype. but you wouldn't call that a scam (ripple labs are making 10-20 million USD a MONTH) because like a lot of people with low intelligence you would rather find something easy to shout about. but it is boring, and you have weak arguments but because you right in red and bold you probably convince some people, but what are you trying to achieve. stop people buying GM? you say it is because btc is going up, so only the failure of btc proves you are right. why not have some fresh air and find another crusade?

i invested 475 dollars worth of mining in dash 3 months ago, i have 460 worth mined to date. i don't care about anything else accept usd, as that is what i work from, like a lot on here.
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June 23, 2017, 11:40:07 PM
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say foR example this month ripple has 400 million coins, it averages 300 million a month, is that a scam. the people investing don't really understand it but get caught up in the hype. but you wouldn't call that a scam (ripple labs are making 10-20 million USD a MONTH) because like a lot of people with low intelligence you would rather find something easy to shout about. but it is boring, and you have weak arguments but because you right in red and bold you probably convince some people, but what are you trying to achieve. stop people buying GM? you say it is because btc is going up, so only the failure of btc proves you are right. why not have some fresh air and find another crusade?

i invested 475 dollars worth of mining in dash 3 months ago, i have 460 worth mined to date. i don't care about anything else accept usd, as that is what i work from, like a lot on here.

What does GM have to do with Ripple? Could you at least make an attempt to address the legitimate criticism, such as exorbitant pricing and maintenance fees? Or do you only know how to repeat talking points parroted from someone else?

If you had invested $475 into Dash three months ago you would have ~$900 worth of Dash today... and you could get rid of it at any time. Can you sell your Genesis megahashes?

There is no doubt that GM business got a boost from this crypto-bubble we're in right now. But that doesn't make their business practices any less shitty. Clueless shills like you don't make it look good either.

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June 24, 2017, 05:30:35 AM
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say foR example this month ripple has 400 million coins, it averages 300 million a month, is that a scam. the people investing don't really understand it but get caught up in the hype. but you wouldn't call that a scam (ripple labs are making 10-20 million USD a MONTH) because like a lot of people with low intelligence you would rather find something easy to shout about. but it is boring, and you have weak arguments but because you right in red and bold you probably convince some people, but what are you trying to achieve. stop people buying GM? you say it is because btc is going up, so only the failure of btc proves you are right. why not have some fresh air and find another crusade?

i invested 475 dollars worth of mining in dash 3 months ago, i have 460 worth mined to date. i don't care about anything else accept usd, as that is what i work from, like a lot on here.
Jezus you are truly to stupid to even discuss a simple matter with.. As the guy above me pointed out, you would've had $900 by now if you invested it in Dash instead of Genesis Mining...

This thread also shows that the intelligent people wouldn't put their money on Genesis Mining: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1978151.0

My request is that you just stop advertising that crap. I don't care if you want to lose your own money, but don't steal money from others.

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June 26, 2017, 02:41:15 PM
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This is an absolute scam I fell for.

The way they do it is that they're in bed with this calculator (which is the top result if you search for cryptocurrency mining in google):

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth?HashingPower=80&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=140&CostPerkWh=0.12

This calculator does not adjust for the block difficulty increase, which is almost constant and can be easily predicted, instead, their calculation is correct for the first day only. And they just multiply that by 7, 30 and 365 to calculate the returns for weekly, monthly and yearly mining respectively. That's absolutely not correct, and would not happen.

My payouts decrease by 20% in 10 days. if it goes like this I will end up with less than half the either I would've been able to buy on day one for the same price as the mining power I purchased. You might be able to make profit in dollar terms, but your profit would be far larger if you just buy the currency you're mining and just sit on it.

I emailed them about a refund. and I got this reply:


<quote>"We are sorry to tell you that we do not accept refunds as stated in the clause 4 of your signed agreement. We do not issue refunds also because we have invested your payment in mining infrastructure. Investing in cloud mining is not without risk and we expect our customers to be aware of that and do their own research before purchase.

Thanks for your understanding. "</quote>

I guess that's some money down the drain.

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June 26, 2017, 09:56:34 PM
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This is an absolute scam I fell for.

The way they do it is that they're in bed with this calculator (which is the top result if you search for cryptocurrency mining in google):

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth?HashingPower=80&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=140&CostPerkWh=0.12

This calculator does not adjust for the block difficulty increase, which is almost constant and can be easily predicted, instead, their calculation is correct for the first day only. And they just multiply that by 7, 30 and 365 to calculate the returns for weekly, monthly and yearly mining respectively. That's absolutely not correct, and would not happen.

My payouts decrease by 20% in 10 days. if it goes like this I will end up with less than half the either I would've been able to buy on day one for the same price as the mining power I purchased. You might be able to make profit in dollar terms, but your profit would be far larger if you just buy the currency you're mining and just sit on it.

I emailed them about a refund. and I got this reply:


<quote>"We are sorry to tell you that we do not accept refunds as stated in the clause 4 of your signed agreement. We do not issue refunds also because we have invested your payment in mining infrastructure. Investing in cloud mining is not without risk and we expect our customers to be aware of that and do their own research before purchase.

Thanks for your understanding. "</quote>

I guess that's some money down the drain.

Too bad  Undecided
I also almost fell for it, when I first saw Genesis Mining, but then I did some research on it and calculated my expected returns and read some detailed reviews. That kept me from investing in it luckily  Tongue

Thanks for telling your story here though, as it may keep other people from being scammed.

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June 26, 2017, 10:48:14 PM
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This is an absolute scam I fell for.

The way they do it is that they're in bed with this calculator (which is the top result if you search for cryptocurrency mining in google):

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth?HashingPower=80&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=140&CostPerkWh=0.12

This calculator does not adjust for the block difficulty increase, which is almost constant and can be easily predicted, instead, their calculation is correct for the first day only. And they just multiply that by 7, 30 and 365 to calculate the returns for weekly, monthly and yearly mining respectively. That's absolutely not correct, and would not happen.

My payouts decrease by 20% in 10 days. if it goes like this I will end up with less than half the either I would've been able to buy on day one for the same price as the mining power I purchased. You might be able to make profit in dollar terms, but your profit would be far larger if you just buy the currency you're mining and just sit on it.

I emailed them about a refund. and I got this reply:


<quote>"We are sorry to tell you that we do not accept refunds as stated in the clause 4 of your signed agreement. We do not issue refunds also because we have invested your payment in mining infrastructure. Investing in cloud mining is not without risk and we expect our customers to be aware of that and do their own research before purchase.

Thanks for your understanding. "</quote>

I guess that's some money down the drain.

This was your decision to buy ETH mining contract. Ethereum is transitioning to PoS, time bomb is already in place and doing its job. Moreover, total hashrate increased twice in the last month. There is almost no chance for ETH mining contract to ROI. 100 MH/s 2 year contract will earn something between 3.4 (if ETH price soars) to 7.5 (if price remains the same) ethers and will not fully ROI (in ETH at least, maybe in dollars you will get your ROI).

This is not because GM is a scam, this is because you should do a research before buying.
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June 27, 2017, 11:49:45 AM
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This is an absolute scam I fell for.

The way they do it is that they're in bed with this calculator (which is the top result if you search for cryptocurrency mining in google):

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth?HashingPower=80&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=140&CostPerkWh=0.12

This calculator does not adjust for the block difficulty increase, which is almost constant and can be easily predicted, instead, their calculation is correct for the first day only. And they just multiply that by 7, 30 and 365 to calculate the returns for weekly, monthly and yearly mining respectively. That's absolutely not correct, and would not happen.

My payouts decrease by 20% in 10 days. if it goes like this I will end up with less than half the either I would've been able to buy on day one for the same price as the mining power I purchased. You might be able to make profit in dollar terms, but your profit would be far larger if you just buy the currency you're mining and just sit on it.

I emailed them about a refund. and I got this reply:


<quote>"We are sorry to tell you that we do not accept refunds as stated in the clause 4 of your signed agreement. We do not issue refunds also because we have invested your payment in mining infrastructure. Investing in cloud mining is not without risk and we expect our customers to be aware of that and do their own research before purchase.

Thanks for your understanding. "</quote>

I guess that's some money down the drain.

This was your decision to buy ETH mining contract. Ethereum is transitioning to PoS, time bomb is already in place and doing its job. Moreover, total hashrate increased twice in the last month. There is almost no chance for ETH mining contract to ROI. 100 MH/s 2 year contract will earn something between 3.4 (if ETH price soars) to 7.5 (if price remains the same) ethers and will not fully ROI (in ETH at least, maybe in dollars you will get your ROI).

This is not because GM is a scam, this is because you should do a research before buying.

Genesis Mining wouldn't have given him ROI anyways.

As a wise man once said:
They aren't made to make you ROI. They are made to make them ROI.

Let's face it: Cloud Mining Company, Attractive Name and Incorrect Stories... You're calling it his own fault and not the scam's?
So if someone steals $100 from you, it is your own fault that you didn't have the money in a built-in safe, protected by multiple locks and that it was your fault you didn't have a heat-detection system in your house? Would it then be your fault that some burgler came in and took your precious $100?

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June 27, 2017, 12:08:12 PM
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Let's face it: Cloud Mining Company, Attractive Name and Incorrect Stories... You're calling it his own fault and not the scam's?
So if someone steals $100 from you, it is your own fault that you didn't have the money in a built-in safe, protected by multiple locks and that it was your fault you didn't have a heat-detection system in your house? Would it then be your fault that some burgler came in and took your precious $100?

Ok, go find better deal for ETH cloud mining. 100 MH/s costs $2715 with discount. If you build your own mining rig and run it for 2 years that would cost you:
1) 4 GPU cards. Now each such card costs $400.
2) Motherboard, CPU, power unit - $400 more.
3) Electricity costs. That will be 800 watt for 2 years - about $1400 if kwh costs $0.1.

Total cost is $3400. At genesis you can run same rig at $2715.

It's not their fault that ETH difficulty rises that much.

You can equally say that banks are scam because they request you to pay interest on credit card loans much higher than US Fed rates, and therefore steal money from your pocket.
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June 27, 2017, 04:18:46 PM
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Ok, go find better deal for ETH cloud mining. 100 MH/s costs $2715 with discount. If you build your own mining rig and run it for 2 years that would cost you:
1) 4 GPU cards. Now each such card costs $400.
2) Motherboard, CPU, power unit - $400 more.
3) Electricity costs. That will be 800 watt for 2 years - about $1400 if kwh costs $0.1.

Total cost is $3400. At genesis you can run same rig at $2715.

It's not their fault that ETH difficulty rises that much.

You can equally say that banks are scam because they request you to pay interest on credit card loans much higher than US Fed rates, and therefore steal money from your pocket.

Bull shirt.

A decent R9 380 4GB could be found for ~$120 on eBay a couple of months back. Maybe $160-180 today. I'm pretty sure there are better price/performance options, just using this as an example because most of my own setups are low density 380 or 970.

I'm still running some GPU rigs from 2014-2015 and can sell them for ~40-50% of what I paid for them, so this two year contract is a total rip off since GPUs don't disappear after two years, nor do they disappear when ETH is no longer profitable.


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June 27, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
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Ok, go find better deal for ETH cloud mining. 100 MH/s costs $2715 with discount. If you build your own mining rig and run it for 2 years that would cost you:
1) 4 GPU cards. Now each such card costs $400.
2) Motherboard, CPU, power unit - $400 more.
3) Electricity costs. That will be 800 watt for 2 years - about $1400 if kwh costs $0.1.

Total cost is $3400. At genesis you can run same rig at $2715.

It's not their fault that ETH difficulty rises that much.

You can equally say that banks are scam because they request you to pay interest on credit card loans much higher than US Fed rates, and therefore steal money from your pocket.

Bull shirt.

A decent R9 380 4GB could be found for ~$120 on eBay a couple of months back. Maybe $160-180 today. I'm pretty sure there are better price/performance options, just using this as an example because most of my own setups are low density 380 or 970.

I'm still running some GPU rigs from 2014-2015 and can sell them for ~40-50% of what I paid for them, so this two year contract is a total rip off since GPUs don't disappear after two years, nor do they disappear when ETH is no longer profitable.

+ you can sell yourself the rigs you used for mining... So it lowers the cost...

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June 27, 2017, 07:41:50 PM
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A decent R9 380 4GB could be found for ~$120 on eBay a couple of months back. Maybe $160-180 today. I'm pretty sure there are better price/performance options, just using this as an example because most of my own setups are low density 380 or 970.

I'm still running some GPU rigs from 2014-2015 and can sell them for ~40-50% of what I paid for them, so this two year contract is a total rip off since GPUs don't disappear after two years, nor do they disappear when ETH is no longer profitable.

Good luck in building and maintaining your own mining rig (and finding GPU cards of $160-$180, give me a link if you find one).

R9 380 4GB gives only 17 MH/s on Ethereum mining, by the way: https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/sapphire/radeon-r9-380-ethereum-mining/ so you need 6 of them to get 100 MH/s and you would pay more for electricity.

If you go to a broker and buy a stock, and next month the stock crashes, would you call it a scam (the broker obviously knew it will crash, isn't it)?
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A decent R9 380 4GB could be found for ~$120 on eBay a couple of months back. Maybe $160-180 today. I'm pretty sure there are better price/performance options, just using this as an example because most of my own setups are low density 380 or 970.

I'm still running some GPU rigs from 2014-2015 and can sell them for ~40-50% of what I paid for them, so this two year contract is a total rip off since GPUs don't disappear after two years, nor do they disappear when ETH is no longer profitable.

Good luck in building and maintaining your own mining rig (and finding GPU cards of $160-$180, give me a link if you find one).

R9 380 4GB gives only 17 MH/s on Ethereum mining, by the way: https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/sapphire/radeon-r9-380-ethereum-mining/ so you need 6 of them to get 100 MH/s and you would pay more for electricity.

If you go to a broker and buy a stock, and next month the stock crashes, would you call it a scam (the broker obviously knew it will crash, isn't it)?

I don't need luck, I've been doing this for years. I'm not even trying that hard, running mostly stock in low density setups, 4-5 cards per rig.

R9 380 does ~20-22 MH/s on stock settings, some can be overclocked to 25+ if you know what you're doing. Cryptocompare is not the site for that kind of info.

Plus you can get extra DCR with Claymore's miner.

Here is one for $175 + shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PowerColor-PCS-R9-380-4GB-Great-Condition-/253014789947

Funny how you completely ignored the resale/residual value issue. Basically you're gifting 40-50% to Genesis on top of the already overpriced hashrate.

Genesis Mining is not a broker, and if a broker was selling stocks with a 100% markup that wouldn't be kosher either. Get your analogies straight. It's a horrible overpriced piece of crap you're shilling here.

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June 27, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
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Genesis Mining is not a broker, and if a broker was selling stocks with a 100% markup that wouldn't be kosher either. Get your analogies straight. It's a horrible overpriced piece of crap you're shilling here.

Bitmain at Hashnest sells S9 miners with 20% markup (and takes all tx fees from mining) and sells L3+ miners with 150% markup. Mostly these miners are out of stock, but when they were in stock last time, S9 cost was $1400 (retail price with PSU is about $1200) and L3+ cost was $3600 (retail price with PSU is $1500). Is Hashnest scam?

Hashflare sells Litecoin hashrate at $13.5 price per 1 MH/s and sells 1 year ETH contract at $2200 per 100 MH/s. None of these will be profitable for investors. Is Hashflare scam?

According to you every cloud mining site is a scam.
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Genesis Mining is not a broker, and if a broker was selling stocks with a 100% markup that wouldn't be kosher either. Get your analogies straight. It's a horrible overpriced piece of crap you're shilling here.

Bitmain at Hashnest sells S9 miners with 20% markup (and takes all tx fees from mining) and sells L3+ miners with 150% markup. Mostly these miners are out of stock, but when they were in stock last time, S9 cost was $1400 (retail price with PSU is about $1200) and L3+ cost was $3600 (retail price with PSU is $1500). Is Hashnest scam?

Hashflare sells Litecoin hashrate at $13.5 price per 1 MH/s and sells 1 year ETH contract at $2200 per 100 MH/s. None of these will be profitable for investors. Is Hashflare scam?

According to you every cloud mining site is a scam.

Two (or three) wrongs don't make a right.

And I didn't say "scam", I said "horrible overpriced piece of crap". I think the worst thing I've ever said about Genesis was something along the lines of "smells like scam". Perhaps the "scam" part could be argued, although they don't provide proof of mining so there's that. But the "overpriced piece of crap" part is a fact, no matter how many fallacies you try to invoke denying it.

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June 30, 2017, 10:01:14 AM
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I have read through this entire thread and am not convinced Genesis mining is a scam. Yes there is a premium, but that premium translates to an ease of life trade off.

I just spent $7k USD on Genesis mining, across various things.

Everyone is complaining about the exorbitant fees, lets have a look at my bitcoin purchase:

10  TH
Cost: 1400 USD
On current difficulty, number of coins mined per day: 0.003533 (https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty)
Cost per day (USD): 0.00028*10*10000 = $28 USD
Current Price of BTC: 2549.34
Current earnings per day: Current Earnings (0.003533*2439.34) - Cost per Day

= $90.0681822 - $28
=$62.0681822

Number of days to make back investment: 22.55584021 days (at current difficulty and BTC price)

I anticipate the BTC difficulty to remain stagnant or slightly decrease.

If the price of BTC goes up, it's better.

When we compare this estimate to what the cryptocalculator says:

Estimated earnings: $3287.62 USD per year
Estimated earnings minus costs: 22654.8865 USD per year

Still above the amount I invested for it ($1400).

What is everyone complaining about?



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June 30, 2017, 10:59:04 AM
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What is everyone complaining about?

Your calculations are wrong. You earn 0.003533*2550 = $9, not $90. And you will earn $9 - $2.8 = $6.2 per day and payback period will be at least 225 days (actually that depends on difficulty and price).
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Yes I agree, sorry had an extra 10 multiplier in my spreadsheet.

However, it's not too bad..

Yes the costs are high but as long as I don't go under my break even (which should be a BTC price of around $900) should be good for a long time to come.

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Yes I agree, sorry had an extra 10 multiplier in my spreadsheet.

However, it's not too bad..

Yes the costs are high but as long as I don't go under my break even (which should be a BTC price of around $900) should be good for a long time to come.


Problem is you don't take the rising difficulty into account in your calculations. This will probably multiply your ROI time by 2 or 3.

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That is true! Do not invest guys! I've been bitten by this company! And after a long back and forth through email they refused to give me any sort of refund.

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Sure, i can understand if you spent $50usd and you thought you were going to be living the high life in three month's. You would be pretty pissed when your not.

If your lazy expecting to put in no work and get all the reward then you obviously havent been paying attention to the strategy for using the system to your advantage.

Short term investers are better looking somewhere else. This takes discipline and consistency. If your not snowballing every payout back into genesis for the first 5-6 month's then your doing it wrong.

Gensis mining is only ment for the aggressive investor's like myself any many others who still haven't stopped upgrading once whatever goal we set at first is met. You don't quite your job the first month, second, third, etc.... Wherever people are getting this ROI overnight idea is ridiculous. This is a long term investment in bitcoin. This is a dedication to the blockchain itself and a dedication to maintaining it. But if money is all you're concrned about. Then the secret sauce is clear. You remain profitable only if you properly upgrade your hash power to meet the increasing difficulty of mining. Period... Whether you do it at genesis with the worlds largest known documented super computer or at home upgrading every 3-4 months as necessary by increasing difficulty.

It's sad people even need this spelled out.
Over 200TH/s in 4 month's. Now upgrading 50TH/s every 2 weeks forever. 

Tell me it's not profitable? It's a scam?  Grin Grin Grin
Then stay on the sidelines, more contracts for us in the game.  Wink
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