How FAIR are those provably fair games?

[tsoPANos]

Yes you can.
If properly implemented, the provably fair feature can mathematically prove the fairness of the game.
However there are many sites which purposefully don't have proper provably fair, fooling the inexperienced players.

[NLNico]

@JackpotRacer:

A lot of people bet thousands of bets with the same serverseed. In theory you can keep betting with millions of bets. So the range can be much bigger than 30 bets. However....

If you made a million bets.. what would you really verify? You can calculate all million bet outcomes, but did you keep record of all million bets (and the amount u bet etc)? Probably not, so you would probably just check the latest bets. Therefor in theory it is better to verify every xx bets, where xx is the number of bets on the "My bets" tab. In reality, like I said, most just verify after losing some, which isn't ideal but okay - at least they can know if they were cheated when losing those bets.

any answer why it is not a general model that is used in provably fair casinos?

They should implement the nonce-system imo RHavar have said a few times that the "per roll method" could be great if there is an "automated script that verifies each outcome after each bet" and I could agree, but in reality it doesn't really exist at the moment.

(I guess "Seuntjies DiceBot" has some verifying option, but -personally- I prefer to not run .exe files and the source code is too big for me to easily check. )

I don't trust most of the dice sites in Bitcoin business. Right now I only prefer to play at Fortunejack. Other than that we all know what happens in other dice sites, crook owners change codes and you can never win anything from them. Don't play at other dice sites.

We are talking about provably fair here. The implementation of FJ is "per roll" which isn't ideal to verify IMO. They do at least generate a random clientseed in the browser, not like my earlier NitrogenSports example. So FJ's implementation for dice (didn't check other games) looks okay enough. Still I do think others have better implementations.

[crytoboost]

Can you really trust all the dice and gambling sites with provably fair games? Or are they all rigged?

I don't trust most of the dice sites in Bitcoin business. Right now I only prefer to play at Fortunejack. Other than that we all know what happens in other dice sites, crook owners change codes and you can never win anything from them. Don't play at other dice sites.

I don't agree with you about your statement other dice site when any dice site provably fair and each bet result can be verify on 3rd party verifier like NLNico providing best services regarding environment than it is all about our luck because every type of gambling needed luck to win from house edge.

[PocketRocketsCasino]

I'd be interested in donating some funds to NLNico, or someone else trusted and as knowledgeable, to develop some open source browser extension that would verify all your bets made on a site in real time and instantly warn you if something was wrong.

Obviously with a nonce version like on dice sites it wouldn't be able to verify until you changed the seed but it could log all the bets you made and verify them once you change seed.

All sites who use provably fair could donate and give help on understanding how their implementations worked.

[JackpotRacer]

I'd be interested in donating some funds to NLNico, or someone else trusted and as knowledgeable, to develop some open source browser extension that would verify all your bets made on a site in real time and instantly warn you if something was wrong.

Obviously with a nonce version like on dice sites it wouldn't be able to verify until you changed the seed but it could log all the bets you made and verify them once you change seed.

All sites who use provably fair could donate and give help on understanding how their implementations worked.

fully agree with this posting well said

[victoryboy]

As provably fair is used as standard and no authentic person oppose these system so we can trust without any doubt.I fully trust every trustworthy site which is well know so for me its ok and fair.

[JackpotRacer]

As provably fair is used as standard and no authentic person oppose these system so we can trust without any doubt.I fully trust every trustworthy site which is well know so for me its ok and fair.

and who decides who is a trustworthy side?

best would be if trusted people like dooglus,stunna, Ryan, Nico etc would offer a service (against payment)
to test/check casinos for their provably fair implementation.

[Echye]

Known dice sites are not rigged, but that doesn't mean you'll win in long terms (short terms too), that's why the 1% house edge is there

[ndnh]

I personally have a stronger faith in nonce based provably fair system (manually changing client seed every bet just in case is too much effort, lol).

Known dice sites are not rigged, but that doesn't mean you'll win in long terms (short terms too), that's why the 1% house edge is there

999dice is accused of being rigged (not provably fair unless you verify each bet). Fairproof has lot of scam accusations. Other than that most of the popular dice sites here are not as far as I am aware of.

[Rocket.Run]

There are a set of protocols to follow if you want to prove that your game is provably fair.
If the game's site does not have this procedure, don't use it.

[Japinat]

Can you really trust all the dice and gambling sites with provably fair games? Or are they all rigged?

They are fair but you will not win because they have a house edge.
Maybe some gamblers are thinking it's not fair because they are losing, if they are not fair, they will be tagged as scam gambling sites here.
We have good people who are willing to help verifying the fairness of the gambling sites, primedice is one good example, they lasted this long
and they have a lot of gamblers trusting them.

[carlfebz2]

Can you really trust all the dice and gambling sites with provably fair games? Or are they all rigged?

They are fair but you will not win because they have a house edge.
Maybe some gamblers are thinking it's not fair because they are losing, if they are not fair, they will be tagged as scam gambling sites here.
We have good people who are willing to help verifying the fairness of the gambling sites, primedice is one good example, they lasted this long
and they have a lot of gamblers trusting them.

Don't know why this thread is being bumped up once again but this is worth to be discussed once again. Imagine a 2015 old thread bumped in 2019.

Back on topic, for reputable or popular gambling sites you would really able to verify bets that's why anytime theres a new site, usually people do ask about provably fairness into their games.

[playboy654]

Can you really trust all the dice and gambling sites with provably fair games? Or are they all rigged?

I don't completely trust any of the sites while gambling and investing because some of them that definitely rigged here because we don't know which is the best and what is the right path to choose the best so don't completely trust any game or gambling site quickly.

[mersal]

Can you really trust all the dice and gambling sites with provably fair games? Or are they all rigged?

I definitely trust my gambling websites because if we don't have that confident in your mind then the good website is also visible for you only ICS camp so make sure before entering into a website it will be a proper subset and proper way to invest money then only the conference will remain same in your mind

[akram143]

Can you really trust all the dice and gambling sites with provably fair games? Or are they all rigged?

Those Gambling games are still in the top position because of it trustability and stability for long time and people also will need these qualities before need some investment on gambling but not all the sites are trustable but still it had some good way of gambling also.

[whirlcoin]

I don't have a huge confidence in all the gambling I mostly use the sports betting because if you know that which will be suitable for you then only you can make the money from gambling field so use it more properly for your talent.

[shoreno]

I don't have a huge confidence in all the gambling I mostly use the sports betting because if you know that which will be suitable for you then only you can make the money from gambling field so use it more properly for your talent.

Sports betting is also a kind of gambling because it involves money and it does not mean that you play your favorite gambling game you can now win more often . no it does not work that way ,  at certain times you can still loose because gambling depends on mainly luck with only few skills involved .

Anyway , some provably fair games are because they allow you to verify your rolls using your seeds . idk if other sites do also have these features   .

[micher143]

Can you really trust all the dice and gambling sites with provably fair games? Or are they all rigged?

Probably they are fair. It is just that the chances or luck is not just always fair for us. Since gambling is an application of probability in a game, chances of winning is not always present that is why maybe you are doubting about the credibility of the fair games they have. You just need to be wise on thinking about your bets in playing gambling. You just need to enjoy every game you play and do not put further pressure on playing just like what I did on playing into the online casino that I am currently into because I enjoy the variety of games they have as well as the great deal when the first time I have done my deposit and received their reward as a welcome bonus.

[Dreamchaser21]

I don't have a huge confidence in all the gambling I mostly use the sports betting because if you know that which will be suitable for you then only you can make the money from gambling field so use it more properly for your talent.

Fair games are only fair to the house which generate huge profit compare to those gamblers. I also don't trust gambling much, though I'm not expecting to win big but if you do trust much any casinos or what, you will just be fooled later on. Sports betting is the best way to gambler for me, its quiet less risk.

[virasog]

Yes you can.
If properly implemented, the provably fair feature can mathematically prove the fairness of the game.
However there are many sites which purposefully don't have proper provably fair, fooling the inexperienced players.

Provably fair is the right feature and if truly implemented , it will give fairly benefit to the gambler.  But i think many sites claim to be provably fair but actually they are not. They are just scamming people by not being provably fair at the backend.