BFL offers 1000 BTC back up on power claims

[DoomDumas]

If the Bet occurs between Tom and Josh, may I propose (or second) another user suggestion : http://thewaterproject.org/

Before eating and shelter, water needs are more urgent, 3 days without water = dead !

I'd love to see that bet come true, I dont care about BFL bAsic Avalon asic power usage, any asic miner i'll have, I'll enjoy, sounds and power usage are very secondary to me.

But I think that if someone have 1000 BTC to spare on a bet, this kind of ressources could help a lot of kids/peoples.. Maybe one of the kid that will be saved, will be the next Einstein or Ghandi or ..!

my 2 satoshi !

[PuertoLibre]

I'd love to see that bet come true, not that I care about BFL or another companie asic power usage, but I think that if someone have 1000 BTC to bet, this kind of ressources could help a lot of kids/peoples.. Maybe one of the kid that will be saved, will be the next Einstein or Ghandi or ..!

my 2 satoshi !

This thread is tantamount to grandstanding on a soap box over an offer that (for absolutely sure) the other party won't ever accept. Even rejected before the thread was created this offer was already rejected.



It is like mounting a false motive through a thread over "a bet" you already know the other person has very clearly stated they have already rejected.

Bringing up the "Charity" issue and having members discuss/debate "to whom" the spoils of this bet should go to.....when the proposed donor knows it will never even become a bet is....

I best say no more. I don't like trash talk.

[Carlton Banks]

I fail to see how either Tom Cablepair or Inaba can really believe that all this school playground behaviour is any good for either of their organizations.

Has anyone noticed how reputable businesses could easily play this ridiculous game of PR one-up-man-ship, and yet by and large don't do it? Because it makes them look bad? Even when they do engage in this sort of thing, they at least have the sense to dress it up in a bogus intellectual property lawsuit.

You two appear like a pair of WWE wrestlers in a pre-match taunting session (to me, anyway)

Though I see your point, it is sad that when people pay sharks so much money, people (like you?) think that suddenly makes something respectable.

I certainly have no respect for such sharks so I cannot see how them doing something can add any respect at all to it ...

You're quite right; these patent trolls fighting each other over IP rights to something that actually belongs to nobody does nothing for their reputations either. I'm talking about the perception of the average person towards these things, not my own.

No idea is original, the laws of nature/logic/physics already permit everything that's possible. Humans never "invented" anything, they simply observe natural phenomena and exploit those phenomena. Humans cannot make the impossible possible simply by conceiving it.

[psilan]

In fact I would like to nominate my home town, which I had to leave after we had some severe earthquakes that destroyed the city.

http://christchurchappealtrust.org.nz/
This charity was set up by the New Zealand Prime Minister.

Much of the CBD buildings lost there frontages. My home was fine, my parents lost theirs and had to live with me for 3 months. FEEL MY PAIN!

There is a US-NZ tax free way to donate through the US.
http://www.americanfriendsofchristchurch.org/ways-to-give.html

Purpose	Donation amount
AFOC: Hardship & Relief Reference: 010	$100.00 USD

I specified that it was donated on behalf of scary-eyed batman, so if they don't thank you, punch them in the nuts.

Wow mate that is absolutely awesome! Thanks .
Hard to say thank you enough.

[abracadabra]

Since Tom is refusing to actually make the bet he himself proposed between us, I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

Now, I ask if Tom is willing to step up and back the winning side.  He is 100% confident that we will not meet our power claims (which is the genesis of the failed bet), and as such I ask that he pony up 1000 BTC to the same charity if we do make our power claims.  

So there it is:  Tom is confident that we won't make our power claims, I am confident that we will.  I am willing to put up 1000 BTC to show my confidence in BFL products.  Is Tom confident enough to do the same or is he just blowing hot air?

Wait.. wut?

Subject line says: "BFL offers 1000 BTC back up on power claims"
Is BFL backing this bet?
You are posting as Inaba.  I thought the bet was between you and Tom, not between BFL and Tom.
Shouldn't you be posting as BFL_Josh?

[Inaba]

Na, I knew Tom would chicken out and run back into his hole, so it was largely irrelevant as far as Tom goes.  I'm offering 1000 BTC on behalf of BFL regardless of what Tom does.  I never expected Tom to honor the intent of his bet anyway (Simply because he had no intention of going through with it from the start), so it was largely altruistic on my part to begin with, but only in so far as I don't think I will have to pay up and I know Tom would... but I'm more than willing to escrow the amount until such time as is required.

[crazyates]

Na, I knew Tom would chicken out and run back into his hole, so it was largely irrelevant as far as Tom goes.  I'm offering 1000 BTC on behalf of BFL regardless of what Tom does.  I never expected Tom to honor the intent of his bet anyway (Simply because he had no intention of going through with it from the start), so it was largely altruistic on my part to begin with, but only in so far as I don't think I will have to pay up and I know Tom would... but I'm more than willing to escrow the amount until such time as is required.

So as it stands now, if you meet your power guidelines (<66W), you do nothing. If you don't meet your power estimates (>66W), you donate 1000BTC to charity. Is that it?

[BobbyJo]

Why not forget the power issue and bet when BFL will actually ship?  Or is that a step too far?

[michaelmclees]

Na, I knew Tom would chicken out and run back into his hole, so it was largely irrelevant as far as Tom goes.  I'm offering 1000 BTC on behalf of BFL regardless of what Tom does.  I never expected Tom to honor the intent of his bet anyway (Simply because he had no intention of going through with it from the start), so it was largely altruistic on my part to begin with, but only in so far as I don't think I will have to pay up and I know Tom would... but I'm more than willing to escrow the amount until such time as is required.

Would you be willing to make a bet with the community that x number of units will be shipped by some particular date and that the units will function at the specified power claims?

[HolyScott]

Make a Wish Foundation?

[sgravina]

Since Tom is refusing to actually make the bet he himself proposed between us, I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

If the Single SC uses more than 66 Watts or if it uses less than 54 Watts then that will also be 10% off and the Charity wins.

Now can't you change the power consumption by changing the load.  So the Single SC will use no power when it is off.  Probably use less than 54 Watts when hashing at half speed.  So it is easy for the bet to pay off.  Or you need to be more specific about the condition that will trigger a Charity payoff.

[thebaron]

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

[Graet]

Na, I knew Tom would chicken out and run back into his hole, so it was largely irrelevant as far as Tom goes.  I'm offering 1000 BTC on behalf of BFL regardless of what Tom does.  I never expected Tom to honor the intent of his bet anyway (Simply because he had no intention of going through with it from the start), so it was largely altruistic on my part to begin with, but only in so far as I don't think I will have to pay up and I know Tom would... but I'm more than willing to escrow the amount until such time as is required.

thank you for the clarification - Subject line says: "BFL offers 1000 BTC back up on power claims" is misleading

[Unacceptable]

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt 

[thebaron]

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt 

Ooo...now that's a ballzy bet on efficiency.

[Kaliecious]

I got a GREAT idea, BFL take 500 BTC, the other company pony up 500 BTC and pool it, I say fuck the power claims I really dont care and never really have bet off or what ever and both companies donate it to a charitable orginization in both names and shake hands and make the best of it and each go thier way and do thier thing and in the end even with all the hupla both companies done something good TOGETHER.

But hey i'm no real voice,

[Monkey1]

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt 

That depends on where you live.  For me- from the wall = 240 V

[Unacceptable]

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt  

That depends on where you live.  For me- from the wall = 240 V

OOO,higher voltage=less wattage  

BFL may get less than 60 watts yet..........over in europe  

I know it'll almost be the same in reality.

[cedivad]

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt  

That depends on where you live.  For me- from the wall = 240 V

OOO,higher voltage=less wattage  

BFL may get less than 60 watts yet..........over in europe  

I know it'll almost be the same in reality.

W=A*V

In Europe the wattage will be the same.

[dirtycat]

I have to say, this is terrible.

Not only did Inaba turn a hit at Tom on power figures, now he is turning around and making it seem like it was his bet to Tom. (instead of the otherwa around)...It was the other way around.


To top it off....hes now opened a thread and is now making it seem as if Charities will "win out" of this skirmish of words and bitcoin bets....people are all riled up over which charity is more deserving....

You guys are being played with like toys....

I don't know about you, but I am personally offended at this tactic. I understand Psychological games...but this game is one gone way too far. I'd ask for Mod intervention but I don't know if they would even bother with this mess.

All the more to stay away from BFL. 

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