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October 21, 2012, 09:39:29 AM
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Doesn't that scare u ?  Shocked

OK the "Unknown" could be, and probably is, several people and not just one.

But I suspect SOMEONE is mining with ASICs .. !
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October 21, 2012, 09:45:14 AM
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Good lord.

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October 21, 2012, 09:50:02 AM
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October 21, 2012, 09:53:15 AM
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Is it possible to have an historical version of that graph?

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October 21, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
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October 21, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
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Srsly?

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October 21, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
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Please do your homework before posting FUD. Blockchain.info's way of collecting this data is far from perfect.

I would recommend checking out http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/blocklist.php

If you like pie charts better, http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/chart.php

Please read the block origin site to better understand why Blockchain.info's data collection methods are borked.
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October 21, 2012, 02:05:04 PM
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You can see right away that there is a flaw...it says unknown...then other unknown...how do they know? Wink
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October 21, 2012, 02:06:47 PM
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Block finding is up 11% in the past four days, since the record difficulty change of 3,072,322. Somebody definitely turned something on.

This is the bulk of the unknown mining as shown in the pie chart: relayed by 82.130.102.160. However the blockchain.info is not reliable, I was able to verify many of those "mystery" blocks are 50BTC blocks by looking at their pool solved blocks list. The links above were 100% correct on 50BTC blocks for the same period.

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October 21, 2012, 02:09:06 PM
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Block finding is up 11% in the past four days, since the record difficulty change of 3,072,322. Somebody definitely turned something on.

This is the bulk of the unknown mining as shown in the pie chart: relayed by 82.130.102.160. However the blockchain.info is not reliable, I was able to verify many of those "mystery" blocks are 50BTC blocks by looking at their pool solved blocks list. The links above were 100% correct on 50BTC blocks for the same period.

Almost sure that this one is the Swiss researcher mining with their university supercomputer (search for previous post about this)

Code:
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% Information related to '82.130.64.0 - 82.130.127.255'

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October 21, 2012, 02:37:23 PM
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Is it possible to have an historical version of that graph?

Good point! I was also looking for this kind of information (nothing found so far) for a definitive proof.

But I (manually) observed this increase over the last few weeks - going from 35% to 39% to 40% ... and not 43%.

IMHO there is someone mining with ASICS. I assume it's BFL. There have been accusations before - and they denied it. But I'm pretty confident their ASICs are ready to go - and already started mining.

So BFL will mine for 2-3 month (delaying shipments with some lame excuses from October to November, from November to December, etc.) making shitloads of money. And after that sell/ship their ASICs.

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October 21, 2012, 03:00:46 PM
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So BFL will mine for 2-3 month (delaying shipments with some lame excuses from October to November, from November to December, etc.) making shitloads of money. And after that sell/ship their ASICs.

My first thought when I read this thread. By the time it comes to ship them out the difficulty will have been effected by them mining but by then they've already made thousands and who knows maybe even millions from mining and pre-orders.

I just don't understand the point in selling those machines when they could easily hook thousands up themselves and keep the profit. It'd be like giving away a cash machine.

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October 21, 2012, 03:09:08 PM
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So BFL will mine for 2-3 month (delaying shipments with some lame excuses from October to November, from November to December, etc.) making shitloads of money. And after that sell/ship their ASICs.

My first thought when I read this thread. By the time it comes to ship them out the difficulty will have been effected by them mining but by then they've already made thousands and who knows maybe even millions from mining and pre-orders.

I just don't understand the point in selling those machines when they could easily hook thousands up themselves and keep the profit. It'd be like giving away a cash machine.
We will know that in January if they states that their product was a failure and they will refund everyone.

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October 21, 2012, 06:02:06 PM
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I just don't understand the point in selling those machines when they could easily hook thousands up themselves and keep the profit. It'd be like giving away a cash machine.

Simple! They give it away once it's no cash machine any more (when difficulty is sky high). That's after they have mined for a couple of month - in Feb/Mar 2013. Which means the next 3-4 month we get lots of lame excuses from BFL why they can't ship.

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October 21, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
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Come down, a big part is only the ETH Zuerich www.ethz.ch/.

And they are not mining, they are simply running a (super) node (IP: 82.130.102.160) with their University Internet access. Their Node has nearly 1500 connections to other nodes, including a direct connection to blockchain.info.

Therefore they are able do distribute fund blocks faster through the network than the miner himself.

See the big orange spot here: https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=topBlockRelay that's them.

So everything is alright.

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October 22, 2012, 06:59:07 AM
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Come down, a big part is only the ETH Zuerich www.ethz.ch/.

And they are not mining, they are simply running a (super) node (IP: 82.130.102.160) with their University Internet access. Their Node has nearly 1500 connections to other nodes, including a direct connection to blockchain.info.

Therefore they are able do distribute fund blocks faster through the network than the miner himself.

See the big orange spot here: https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=topBlockRelay that's them.

So everything is alright.

Wow, quite a nice link Smiley   

Just wondering,

1- Mining on a pool does not count as a node... true ?

2- Running a bitcoin client 24/7 with 8 connections, this is a node ?    ( If yes, I can see my lonely tiny blue bar on that cute globe Smiley   quite interesting and funny ! )

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October 22, 2012, 09:20:35 AM
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Come down, a big part is only the ETH Zuerich www.ethz.ch/.

And they are not mining, they are simply running a (super) node (IP: 82.130.102.160) with their University Internet access. Their Node has nearly 1500 connections to other nodes, including a direct connection to blockchain.info.

Therefore they are able do distribute fund blocks faster through the network than the miner himself.

See the big orange spot here: https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=topBlockRelay that's them.

So everything is alright.

Wow, quite a nice link Smiley   

Just wondering,

1- Mining on a pool does not count as a node... true ?

2- Running a bitcoin client 24/7 with 8 connections, this is a node ?    ( If yes, I can see my lonely tiny blue bar on that cute globe Smiley   quite interesting and funny ! )

I'll enjoy an answer to both question (  I presume : yes and yes)!  Cheesy



Yes and yes. (But the pool itself is a node)

But on that globe you see only nodes that have a direct connection to blockchain.info. Its pretty unlikely, that you have one if you only have 8 connections. I have between 30 and 50 (always somewhere between that) and have never seen my IP in blockchains IP list.

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October 22, 2012, 03:02:15 PM
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Interesting, thanks for the answer Smiley
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November 08, 2012, 11:45:13 AM
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It's interesting to me that deepbit had the biggest part on that pie chart and now it's just average...

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November 12, 2012, 06:17:10 AM
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They ain't hashing cau it isn't a perfect roi. If dey sell it it's already made profit. Aka they are wary of the bitcoin and think it not a great place to invest. But they also think we are easy to sell to.
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